Hatton 'I will never fight Witter'.

[nickd]

Newsflash


There is no interest in Witter v Hatton.

Thats why there have been hundreds of posts about it this week on here alone I suppose?

[Sweet P]

Bollocks.

Benn was a household name even before he fought Eubank, go and get the major newspapers around that time, they are available from the public library, and look at the sports sections, Benn and Eubank were all over them.

Neither Hatton not Witter fight on terrestrial TV, so how is this a massive fight in the public eye without HBO? Without HBO, the money involved is significantly reduced, believe you me, and why should Hatton take less money for a fight against an opponent which will do little for his legacy?

Let Witter turn in a spectacular performance, something he has failed to do, though he came close against N'dou, then maybe, just maybe, he will develop a profile that will get him a shot against Hatton or some other big name.

Hatton is within spitting distance of Castillo, Corralles, Mayweather and Cotto, and I can guarantee you right now, that as things stands, not one of these guys would fight Witter over Hatton, because there is no money in fighting him.

On a purists level I would like to see Hatton fight Witter, but from the perspective of the business of boxing, I totally understand why it has not, and probably will not happen.

Wouldn't unifiying the 140 pound division be worth fighting Witter, Callazo wasnt known at all and Hatton fought him, at least Witter would be a huge fight in England.

[harrygreb]

whoever wrote that witter was "aloof and disinterested" should look up the meaning of the word DISINTERESTED as they are making a grave mistake in its usage. please dont slag off people for poor grammatical usage if your own usage is piss poor.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Yes low IQ, yet I built a company from the ground up that has 70+ employees, manufactures over 200 products supplied throughout the world (yes even to the smallest islands in the pacific) and makes more in a day than you'll make in a lifetime sunny jim.

Go on what have you managed to do with your fantastic grammar other than rehash some far right agenda?

No I don't have time to look through your innane posts.

For someone who thinks he is an interlectual, answer me this, what is your solution to Britains ageing population that could bankrupt us with the advent of the retirement of the baby boomers? I'll give you a clue its a 1 word answer here and both the US and UK governments encourage it while pretending they are in fact not encouraging it.

Well done RE your company if that is in fact true, as truthfully anyone can claim anything on an anomynous message board....

But RE your claim that you make more in one day than I ever will in a lifetime makes your claims sound rather unlikely. What is your net profit for 2006?

Even in the highly unlikely case that you make £100,000 per day (and I'm talking net profit, NOT turnover which is irrelevant) I can assure you that I have easily cleared this in the last 2 years (and that is cash in the bank, taxes paid.)

Anyway one thing I have acheieved which you seem not to have done is box...

But moving on - I don't know the answer to your riddle (which although interesting is a very strange non-sequitur!) - euthanasia may be a decent guess already made, but am very interested to find out.

Please enlighten me, I am genuinely interested....

TBH I prefer to keep my finances between myself and my account, so I won't elaborate on my claim, boasting isn't usually my style and I'm not materialistic. Your right I could be making up a story but I know this business has been my pride and joy over recent years (I'm sure some would consider that sad lol)

How do you know I haven't boxed, lets just say I know my way round a ring, have very fast hands, can throw big counters, defend myself but no I never went pro.

I was a little out of order in my initial insult of you but I've met Junior, and think hes a quality lad and didn't take kindly to you down talking his character. Did I assume you had Far Right affiliation and go off on 1? Partly, your politics seems to sympathise with that cause. Did you respond childishly, yes. I think if you look at my posts on this forum you'll find me a constructive poster unlike some certain other Witter fans

Anyway back to the issue of immigration within an overcrowded country such as Britain. Economists tell us we need a certain level of Tax/GNP/Workerforce to support an ageing population. Simply put we need workers skilled but also UNSKILLED workers are needed that will do the shitty jobs Native Brits will not do.

I know as a business owner I'd love to get some illegal immigrants that will do jobs below or on the minimum wage. It'll help make me more competitive by dropping my prices so I can be more price competitive on certain product lines.

The sad thing is many native Brits hate illegal immigrants and immigration as a whole. These immigrants help small/medium buisinesses be competitive around the world and do the shit jobs you and I would never want to do.

The government in the US and here have set up a system where it is easy for illegal immigrants to get in the country. There is allot of evidence to back this up if you read up about it. It is a benefit to have people who can't benefit from the minimum wage, NHS or other benefits. Essencially a workforce that doesn't use up any national spending.

The government know many people from these shores aren't happy with an overly multi-cultural society and pass the book blaming the immigrants. But if they wanted to stop illegal immigration it wouldn't be too difficult.

[Chesney_Chambers]

Bollocks.

Benn was a household name even before he fought Eubank, go and get the major newspapers around that time, they are available from the public library, and look at the sports sections, Benn and Eubank were all over them.

I said Eubank and Watson weren't particularly well heard od before they fought Benn, Benn was a household name

Neither Hatton not Witter fight on terrestrial TV, so how is this a massive fight in the public eye without HBO? Without HBO, the money involved is significantly reduced, believe you me, and why should Hatton take less money for a fight against an opponent which will do little for his legacy?..

Hatton-Witter is a humungous fight over here (who gives a fcuk if the yanks want to see the fight, I'm British), especially as both are now at the very top of the division. There's no way HBO turn down a Hatton-Witter fight IMO. 30,000 tickets or so at Man Citys stadium, plus the PPV sales and the fight generates planty of money.

You say that beating Witter does nothing for his legacy, but the way I see it is 'not fighting Witter seriously damages his legacy in the UK', how can it not if he's avoided his arch-rival for over 6 years.

Let Witter turn in a spectacular performance, something he has failed to do, though he came close against N'dou, then maybe, just maybe, he will develop a profile that will get him a shot against Hatton or some other big name.

It should be a matter of pride to prove your the best in your country

Hatton is within spitting distance of Castillo, Corralles, Mayweather and Cotto,.

Castillo might be on the horizon, but PBF has said he's retiring after DLH, Cotto has moved to a weight division that Ricky doesn't like.

and I can guarantee you right now, that as things stands, not one of these guys would fight Witter over Hatton, because there is no money in fighting him.

I agree (its hardly rocket science though), but this is irrelevent to a Hatton-Witter fight.

On a purists level I would like to see Hatton fight Witter, but from the perspective of the business of boxing, I totally understand why it has not, and probably will not happen.

As a (primarily British) boxing fan I couldn't give a toss about the business side of things, I just want to see the highest profile and best fights.

Hatton-Witter is now one of, if not the BIGGEST all British fights of all-time.

[JC]

On a purists level I would like to see Hatton fight Witter, but from the perspective of the business of boxing, I totally understand why it has not, and probably will not happen.

As a (primarily British) boxing fan I couldn't give a toss about the business side of things, I just want to see the highest profile and best fights.

Hatton-Witter is now one of, if not the BIGGEST all British fights of all-time.

Biggest all British fight ever? Eubank-Benn II, Lewis-Bruno, Buchannon-Watt, amongst others were all bigger fights than Hatton-Witter. Why? beacuse the public knew and cared who both fighters were.

[E]

TBH I prefer to keep my finances between myself and my account, so I won't elaborate on my claim, boasting isn't usually my style and I'm not materialistic. Your right I could be making up a story but I know this business has been my pride and joy over recent years (I'm sure some would consider that sad lol)

How do you know I haven't boxed, lets just say I know my way round a ring, have very fast hands, can throw big counters, defend myself but no I never went pro.

I was a little out of order in my initial insult of you but I've met Junior, and think hes a quality lad and didn't take kindly to you down talking his character. Did I assume you had Far Right affiliation and go off on 1? Partly, your politics seems to sympathise with that cause. Did you respond childishly, yes. I think if you look at my posts on this forum you'll find me a constructive poster unlike some certain other Witter fans

Anyway back to the issue of immigration within an overcrowded country such as Britain. Economists tell us we need a certain level of Tax/GNP/Workerforce to support an ageing population. Simply put we need workers skilled but also UNSKILLED workers are needed that will do the shitty jobs Native Brits will not do.

I know as a business owner I'd love to get some illegal immigrants that will do jobs below or on the minimum wage. It'll help make me more competitive by dropping my prices so I can be more price competitive on certain product lines.

The sad thing is many native Brits hate illegal immigrants and immigration as a whole. These immigrants help small/medium buisinesses be competitive around the world and do the shit jobs you and I would never want to do.

The government in the US and here have set up a system where it is easy for illegal immigrants to get in the country. There is allot of evidence to back this up if you read up about it. It is a benefit to have people who can't benefit from the minimum wage, NHS or other benefits. Essencially a workforce that doesn't use up any national spending.

The government know many people from these shores aren't happy with an overly multi-cultural society and pass the book blaming the immigrants. But if they wanted to stop illegal immigration it wouldn't be too difficult.

Well yes, I would not really expect you to open your books on a public forum! ANyway if you're business is successfula nd you have worked hard, then congratulations.

Immigration is a complex issue... I agree is does provide an immediate answer to some job positions - IE they will do jobs native Britons wouldn't and cheap labour.

But their kids won't want to do the jobs their parents did. Then what? More immigrants? OK, but we are the 4th most densely populated country in the world - how many people can we handle? (ie schools, NHS, houses etc)
Surely it makes more sense to look long term and work towards more egalitarian pay that will encourage people to take positions trationally shunned?

Also different cultures living alongside have historically always fought and regarded each other with suspicion - I mean white people of the same Relgion (if different sects if you like) cannot even get on in Northern Ireland.... How can we expect a Muslim with his supposedly holy sanctioned beliefs on women, homosexuality, alcohol etc possibly get on with an Atheist liberal Brit who believes the absolute opposite?

Anyway, iimmigration is an emotionally and pragmatically difficult subject to discuss and I'm really at this board to discuss my true passion, boxing, and this is really what I want to concentrate on.

REgards, keep punching

E

[Chesney_Chambers]

On a purists level I would like to see Hatton fight Witter, but from the perspective of the business of boxing, I totally understand why it has not, and probably will not happen.

As a (primarily British) boxing fan I couldn't give a toss about the business side of things, I just want to see the highest profile and best fights.

Hatton-Witter is now one of, if not the BIGGEST all British fights of all-time.

Biggest all British fight ever? Eubank-Benn II, Lewis-Bruno, Buchannon-Watt, amongst others were all bigger fights than Hatton-Witter. Why? beacuse the public knew and cared who both fighters were.

In terms of public recognition Hatton and Witter can't compete with the boys from the terrestrial days, but public recognition is not the main factor for judging the size of a fight IMO (Amir Khan and Kevin Mitchell are both probably better known than Witter, but a fight between those 2 doesn't even come close to Hatton-Witter)

In terms of the 2 boxers status's in the division Hatton-Witter at least holds its own against any of the fights you've mentioned.

[Chesney_Chambers]

She came over here from her shack in Indian and humiliated herself with her ability to speak six languages fluently

[nickd]

No offence intended here but only absolute fornicating morons watch that rubbish anyway.

[WildWaylon]

Much as I like Hatton I disagree with this almost word for word.

I have to agree with you because he cant say Witter has the highly regarded WBC belt and then say he hasnt got anything he wants - Surely unification proves you are the true champion at the weight and goes a long way to proving you are the best pound for pound fighter in Britain or maybe the world - What if Hatton loses the fight on Saturday will he think again about Witter, I think he might have to - I do however agree with Hatton that Witter is in a class below him so if Hatton wins the two belts why not go after Witter next and prove the point - Maybe Witter will show him some respect then.

[Goz]

TBH I prefer to keep my finances between myself and my account, so I won't elaborate on my claim, boasting isn't usually my style and I'm not materialistic. Your right I could be making up a story but I know this business has been my pride and joy over recent years (I'm sure some would consider that sad lol)

How do you know I haven't boxed, lets just say I know my way round a ring, have very fast hands, can throw big counters, defend myself but no I never went pro.

I was a little out of order in my initial insult of you but I've met Junior, and think hes a quality lad and didn't take kindly to you down talking his character. Did I assume you had Far Right affiliation and go off on 1? Partly, your politics seems to sympathise with that cause. Did you respond childishly, yes. I think if you look at my posts on this forum you'll find me a constructive poster unlike some certain other Witter fans

Anyway back to the issue of immigration within an overcrowded country such as Britain. Economists tell us we need a certain level of Tax/GNP/Workerforce to support an ageing population. Simply put we need workers skilled but also UNSKILLED workers are needed that will do the shitty jobs Native Brits will not do.

I know as a business owner I'd love to get some illegal immigrants that will do jobs below or on the minimum wage. It'll help make me more competitive by dropping my prices so I can be more price competitive on certain product lines.

The sad thing is many native Brits hate illegal immigrants and immigration as a whole. These immigrants help small/medium buisinesses be competitive around the world and do the shit jobs you and I would never want to do.

The government in the US and here have set up a system where it is easy for illegal immigrants to get in the country. There is allot of evidence to back this up if you read up about it. It is a benefit to have people who can't benefit from the minimum wage, NHS or other benefits. Essencially a workforce that doesn't use up any national spending.

The government know many people from these shores aren't happy with an overly multi-cultural society and pass the book blaming the immigrants. But if they wanted to stop illegal immigration it wouldn't be too difficult.

Well yes, I would not really expect you to open your books on a public forum! ANyway if you're business is successfula nd you have worked hard, then congratulations.

Immigration is a complex issue... I agree is does provide an immediate answer to some job positions - IE they will do jobs native Britons wouldn't and cheap labour.

But their kids won't want to do the jobs their parents did. Then what? More immigrants? OK, but we are the 4th most densely populated country in the world - how many people can we handle? (ie schools, NHS, houses etc)
Surely it makes more sense to look long term and work towards more egalitarian pay that will encourage people to take positions trationally shunned?

Also different cultures living alongside have historically always fought and regarded each other with suspicion - I mean white people of the same Relgion (if different sects if you like) cannot even get on in Northern Ireland.... How can we expect a Muslim with his supposedly holy sanctioned beliefs on women, homosexuality, alcohol etc possibly get on with an Atheist liberal Brit who believes the absolute opposite?

Anyway, iimmigration is an emotionally and pragmatically difficult subject to discuss and I'm really at this board to discuss my true passion, boxing, and this is really what I want to concentrate on.

REgards, keep punching

E

Oh don't let it end there, please carry on your immigration-employment discussion, it was fascinating for the rest of us.

[Goz]

Much as I like Hatton I disagree with this almost word for word.

I have to agree with you because he cant say Witter has the highly regarded WBC belt and then say he hasnt got anything he wants - Surely unification proves you are the true champion at the weight and goes a long way to proving you are the best pound for pound fighter in Britain or maybe the world - What if Hatton loses the fight on Saturday will he think again about Witter, I think he might have to - I do however agree with Hatton that Witter is in a class below him so if Hatton wins the two belts why not go after Witter next and prove the point - Maybe Witter will show him some respect then.

I actually think Hatton-Witter will happen in the next 2 years but not under current circumstances. It will be when one (Hatton) or both of them have been beaten and all of a sudden it's the most financially viable fight for them both. Until then it's business as usual...

[Achybreaky]

I'm with E on immigration. Just look at 'Big Brother', they bring some Indian over here to steal the crumbs from the table of our Z-list celebrities. It is not on!

She came over here from her shack in Indian and humiliated herself with her ability to speak six languages fluently and she cannot speak the gud English like wot we cahn.

Go back to India and take your racist storm with you

You just annoyed cos she is making the english girls look like idiots without even trying. Maybe if jade and that lot had the mental capacity to match their enormous egos there wouldnt be a racist storm. Its not the indian girls fault plus she will come out of this with credit but the rest will be exposed for what we already know them to be - lucky chav's who were in teh right place at the right time.

[Max Molyneux]

Hatton can backtrack all he likes.

Leagues above him In what? In Skill Witter's the better fighter.

Hatton said he wanted all the belts too and you won't see him touch even the winner of the Interim between Mosley and Callazo.

Hatton doesn't realise how easy he got to the top.

What are you basing this on. Witter struggled with Colin Lynes, almost lost to Kotelnik, and almost lost to N'dou despite knocking him down three times.

Just because Witter is flashy, doesn't make him more skilfull.

At the end of the day, Hatton was able to impose his style on Kostya Tszyu, who is head and shoulders better than anyone witter has fought by some considerable margin. End of.

Almost lost to Kotelnik? Kotelnik only came on late so no wonder he lost the fight.

If your going to say end of don't bother posting towards me.

Kessler Isn't a big name but you Joe has to fight him but because Witter Isn't a big name, Hatton doesn't need him!

Witter Is clearly more skillful than Hatton, Hatton Is no counter puncher, he roughs fighters up being big for the weight and wears them down with body shots.

Witter beats his opponents with counter punching and switch hitting.

Screw your Hatton double standard bias.

[E]

Oh don't let it end there, please carry on your immigration-employment discussion, it was fascinating for the rest of us.

Er ok.....I am happy to allow immigrants in this country if they are are here to seek employment, have an unbeaten professional record, are under 22, and are MExican.

[Achybreaky]

I'm with E on immigration. Just look at 'Big Brother', they bring some Indian over here to steal the crumbs from the table of our Z-list celebrities. It is not on!

She came over here from her shack in Indian and humiliated herself with her ability to speak six languages fluently and she cannot speak the gud English like wot we cahn.

Go back to India and take your racist storm with you

You just annoyed cos she is making the english girls look like idiots without even trying. Maybe if jade and that lot had the mental capacity to match their enormous egos there wouldnt be a racist storm. Its not the indian girls fault plus she will come out of this with credit but the rest will be exposed for what we already know them to be - lucky chav's who were in teh right place at the right time.

I was being ironic you tom-tit!

You should know by now that irony is near impossible to pick up by text, you Ham Shank

[Achybreaky]

I was being ironic you tom-tit!

You should know by now that irony is near impossible to pick up by text, you Ham Shank

Since when do I make spelling mistakes you, you, peruser (I did that one on purpose) of trash-TV

Burn the pig!

Since when do i care enough to check your spelling you eogomaniac

[E]

You just annoyed cos she is making the english girls look like idiots without even trying. Maybe if jade and that lot had the mental capacity to match their enormous egos there wouldnt be a racist storm. Its not the indian girls fault plus she will come out of this with credit but the rest will be exposed for what we already know them to be - lucky chav's who were in teh right place at the right time.

I was being ironic you tom-tit!

You should know by now that irony is near impossible to pick up by text, you Ham Shank

Jaysus....

But on the subject of BB I have two observations:

1. Can't believe the fuggin' news has been dominated by this - are we becoming that lowbrow that this is the headline on BBC? Not to mention that MPs were bloody wasting time and public money discussing this in the house of commons.

ARe we going to see a situation where Heat magazine becomes essential political reading?

2. Funny how the only CLEAR racial slur was made by po-faced Jermaine Jackson who called the girls 'White Trash' a few days before the furore yet noone batted an eyelid? The double standards here are unbelievable...

(Having said that, hatchet-faced fruit-machine addict Jo, low-quality DNA vomit Jade, and the admittedly sexy, but WAG wannabe scouser slut Danielle ARE white trash..... but it's the gross double standards that are so unacceptable.)

[Max Molyneux]

I was being ironic you tom-tit!

You should know by now that irony is near impossible to pick up by text, you Ham Shank

Since when do I make spelling mistakes you, you, peruser (I did that one on purpose) of trash-TV

Burn the pig!

Well you are a Manc so spelling mistakes are common there. :P

[Achybreaky]

I was being ironic you tom-tit!

You should know by now that irony is near impossible to pick up by text, you Ham Shank

Jaysus....

But on the subject of BB I have two observations:

1. Can't believe the fuggin' news has been dominated by this - are we becoming that lowbrow that this is the headline on BBC? Not to mention that MPs were bloody wasting time and public money discussing this in the house of commons.

ARe we going to see a situation where Heat magazine becomes essential political reading?

2. Funny how the only CLEAR racial slur was made by po-faced Jermaine Jackson who called the girls 'White Trash' a few days before the furore yet noone batted an eyelid? The double standards here are unbelievable...

(Having said that, hatchet-faced fruit-machine addict Jo, low-quality DNA vomit Jade, and the admittedly sexy, but WAG wannabe scouser slut Danielle ARE white trash..... but it's the gross double standards that are so unacceptable.)

White trash is not a racially motivated slur. The orgins of the term may come from a racially segregated past, but modern usage of the term places emphasis on the word "trash" or the labeling of someone as socially worthless. It is often used by lower class white people to stigmatize others within their class who are perceived to be more backward than the norm for their class. "White trash" are perceived as having crude manners, abnormally low moral standards, and lack of cultured behavior and/or education. Swearing, smoking, promiscuity, drunkenness, overly loud and animated behavior in public, and gambling (especially the copious purchase of scratch-style lottery tickets), and owning expensive cable television packages are examples of "white trash" vices. The label might be applied to a household that, for example, lives in a decrepit apartment or trailer, has a large family, lacks indoor plumbing, and has a yard strewn with debris or perhaps a non-functioning vehicle.


Not racism in my book by germain just absolutely spot on in his description of the situation at the time.

[Chesney_Chambers]

You just annoyed cos she is making the english girls look like idiots without even trying. Maybe if jade and that lot had the mental capacity to match their enormous egos there wouldnt be a racist storm. Its not the indian girls fault plus she will come out of this with credit but the rest will be exposed for what we already know them to be - lucky chav's who were in teh right place at the right time.

I was being ironic you tom-tit!

You should know by now that irony is near impossible to pick up by text, you Ham Shank

I picked it up, it was as plain as the dick on your head

She came over here from her shack in Indian and humiliated herself with her ability to speak six languages fluently

Sorry for the unnecessary abuse Achy

[Achybreaky]

I was being ironic you tom-tit!

You should know by now that irony is near impossible to pick up by text, you Ham Shank

I picked it up, it was as plain as the dick on your head

She came over here from her shack in Indian and humiliated herself with her ability to speak six languages fluently

Sorry for the unnecessary abuse Achy

Then why give out the abuse if its not needed, also what was it to do with you anyway you complete bag of shite.

[Chesney_Chambers]

White trash is not a racially motivated slur. The orgins of the term may come from a racially segregated past, but modern usage of the term places emphasis on the word "trash" or the labeling of someone as socially worthless. It is often used by lower class white people to stigmatize others within their class who are perceived to be more backward than the norm for their class. "White trash" are perceived as having crude manners, abnormally low moral standards, and lack of cultured behavior and/or education. Swearing, smoking, promiscuity, drunkenness, overly loud and animated behavior in public, and gambling (especially the copious purchase of scratch-style lottery tickets), and owning expensive cable television packages are examples of "white trash" vices. The label might be applied to a household that, for example, lives in a decrepit apartment or trailer, has a large family, lacks indoor plumbing, and has a yard strewn with debris or perhaps a non-functioning vehicle.

Ahhh bollox........I'm White Trash :(

[Chesney_Chambers]

Then why give out the abuse if its not needed, also what was it to do with you anyway you complete bag of shite.

I was looking for a 'as plain as' analogy and that was the first one that sprung to mind after reading your post that said Terence was slating Shilpa