Wrapping hands
Wrapping hands
I heard there are some new rules by USA Boxing regarding the wrapping of hands. Does anyone know the details? Thanks.
Re: Wrapping hands
How new? The only rule changes of which I was aware regarding hand wraps are more than a year old. The rules allowed the use of 3 feet of 1" wide tape around the hand and wrist, but could not cover the knuckles or go between the fingers. The tape could go into the palm of the hand as opposed to the old rules.inc969806 wrote:I heard there are some new rules by USA Boxing regarding the wrapping of hands. Does anyone know the details? Thanks.
The old rules allowed 2" x 10 yards of gauze for weight classes up to 152# and 2" x 12 yards of gauze for weight classes 165# and up. The old rule allowed a 1" x 8" strip of tape around the wrist and two pieces of 1" wide tape criss-crossed over the back of the hand, not to extend more than 1/2" into the palm of the hand.inc969806 wrote:Yeah thats the new rule I'm talking about. I guess I should not have written "new" since it is now old. Thanks though. So what were the "old" rules on lenth of the tape and gauze? Was the only change on where the tape could go?
The current rules allow for 2" x 15 yards of gauze for all weight classes and a strip of tape 1" x 3 feet long to be used to secure the gauze on each hand. The tape has to be placed at least 1" behind the knuckles.
The main difference with the current rules is being able to put tape on the palm of the hand, the additional amount of gauze per hand and the greater amount of tape allowed to be used on each hand (about 12" more per hand).
I hope this explanation clarifies the issue for you.
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The_Real_Deal
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He knows his shit, my kid is making his debut tommorow but its rare that someone actually knows the rules like this.Dennis wrote:The old rules allowed 2" x 10 yards of gauze for weight classes up to 152# and 2" x 12 yards of gauze for weight classes 165# and up. The old rule allowed a 1" x 8" strip of tape around the wrist and two pieces of 1" wide tape criss-crossed over the back of the hand, not to extend more than 1/2" into the palm of the hand.inc969806 wrote:Yeah thats the new rule I'm talking about. I guess I should not have written "new" since it is now old. Thanks though. So what were the "old" rules on lenth of the tape and gauze? Was the only change on where the tape could go?
The current rules allow for 2" x 15 yards of gauze for all weight classes and a strip of tape 1" x 3 feet long to be used to secure the gauze on each hand. The tape has to be placed at least 1" behind the knuckles.
The main difference with the current rules is being able to put tape on the palm of the hand, the additional amount of gauze per hand and the greater amount of tape allowed to be used on each hand (about 12" more per hand).
I hope this explanation clarifies the issue for you.
Thanks. Not all coaches know the rules, even some that have been coaching for decades (in some cases - especially the ones that have been coaching for decades - LOL). Not all officials know the rules either.The_Real_Deal wrote:He knows his shit, my kid is making his debut tommorow but its rare that someone actually knows the rules like this.
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I WAS an amateur boxer. Now I am a volunteer coach. I am also a clinician for the coaches' clinics. I am also a certified official, but I don't do much in that capacity. I became an official just to learn more to help our gym's boxers. In addition, I have two sons who are amateur boxers. I have also helped at tournaments and boxing shows with registration, bout sheets, bracketing, or whatever else needed to be done. Amateur boxing always needs people willing to lend a hand.stan wrote:Dennis how are you involved with amateur boxing?
Dennis, you are a true minority in our sport. I wish there were more like you who DO know the rules! All coaches should attend an official's certification clinic so they understand how best to train their boxers. My husband and I give mini-clinics in gyms where we go over the structure of the sport, judging and referring. I do the judging part, rules, what we look for, etc., and Rick does the ref part - cautions, warnings, etc.
Unfortunally, your statement that not all judges know the rules is all too true. We keep telling our volunteers "it's for the kids" and they just don't get it.
Unfortunally, your statement that not all judges know the rules is all too true. We keep telling our volunteers "it's for the kids" and they just don't get it.
Mel - believe it or not, there are some officials that have to be informed about new rules or rule changes. Some are very appreciative while others are not so receptive. I have had to inform or remind "OFFICIALS" that 8 year olds can NOT box 10 year olds in the Junior Olympic tournaments even though the Bantam division in the J.O.'s is for 8-10 year olds. I have had to show the rule in the rulebook to officials regarding the use of 3 feet of tape on the hands. This was after I was told by them that you could only use tape around the wrist and criss-cross on the back of the hands. I try to be diplomatic in my approach and try not to offend them since they too are volunteers.boxmel wrote:Hey! Not all officials need help! And cerainly wouldn't go to a coach for assistance - especially when it comes to the rules.
Sometimes I don't debate the rules with certain officials as I do not want to create any animosity or bias against any of our boxers. Officials are humans and can hold grudges.
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The Cowtown Bomber
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Very interesting topic!
As fighter, my time there goes back to the 1950s.
As I remember, we were only allowed to use so much tape in wrapping our hands because if too much tape was used (even with the gloves on) it would be like hitting some body with a rock! (smiling)
"The more I sweated in the gym, the less I bleed in the ring."
The Cowtown Bomber
As fighter, my time there goes back to the 1950s.
As I remember, we were only allowed to use so much tape in wrapping our hands because if too much tape was used (even with the gloves on) it would be like hitting some body with a rock! (smiling)
"The more I sweated in the gym, the less I bleed in the ring."
The Cowtown Bomber
3 feet of tape really is not that much - a couple times around the wrist, a criss-cross on the back of the hand a time or two around the fist (behind the knuckles of course) and that is about it.
What you are discussing Cowtown Bomber is what some call the "cast". Many pro trainers create the "cast" with liberal use of tape. I have seen some use 10-15 feet of tape and some I think use a whole roll!!!
What you are discussing Cowtown Bomber is what some call the "cast". Many pro trainers create the "cast" with liberal use of tape. I have seen some use 10-15 feet of tape and some I think use a whole roll!!!
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The Cowtown Bomber
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It would be like hitting somebody with a rock, if too much tape is used.Dennis wrote:
What you are discussing Cowtown Bomber is what some call the "cast". Many pro trainers create the "cast" with liberal use of tape. I have seen some use 10-15 feet of tape and some I think use a whole roll!!!
I say my time there goes back to the 1950s, only because my father was a fighter in the very late 1940s and late 1950s. In a certian sense, it may could be said I was born into the sport. I had taken up boxing when I was a kid at age 9 at a boys club and fought in the juniors, and in my teens in the late 1960s was a middleweight, and in my early twenties in the early 1970s a light heavyweight in the amatuer ranks. Only, I didn't chose to turn pro as my father did.
But I do remember that they were strict as for how much tape was used in getting our hands wrapped back in my time there, and in my father's time there too. (smiling)
In being that amatuer boxing especially has been softened a lot today by changes in rules and regulations to reduce the risk of injury, and having gone now to requiring amatuer boxers to have to wear head gear in fights, and to wear bigger gloves I would think they would be strict as for how much tape is used also in getting their hands wrapped. No?
"The more I sweated in the gym, the less I bleed in the ring."
The Cowtown Bomber
Said Dennis,
8 year olds can NEVER box 10 year olds. Can only box a 9 year old. It is very sad when officials don't know the rules - that they don't care to know the rules.I have had to inform or remind "OFFICIALS" that 8 year olds can NOT box 10 year olds in the Junior Olympic tournaments even though the Bantam division in the J.O.'s is for 8-10 year olds.
Yes, you can only use 3 feet per hand which is not that much. For junior boxers, I probably use much less as their hands are smaller. The use of tape is really designed to protect the boxers hands not to injure the other boxer.The Cowtown Bomber wrote:In being that amatuer boxing especially has been softened a lot today by changes in rules and regulations to reduce the risk of injury, and having gone now to requiring amatuer boxers to have to wear head gear in fights, and to wear bigger gloves I would think they would be strict as for how much tape is used also in getting their hands wrapped. No?
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The Cowtown Bomber
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It was either in 1959, or 1960 when I had first taken up boxing when I was a kid. I just remember that I was 9 years old at the time, and to had begun having some inner city fights in having entered touraments. Only at that time here at least, you had to be at least 12 years old. I was under age too young to enter into those touraments. I just remember they allowed me despite that fact I was under age for reasons of who my father was. Any way, that's where I got my start in boxing.Dennis wrote:
Yes, you can only use 3 feet per hand which is not that much. For junior boxers, I probably use much less as their hands are smaller.
Perhaps you may had taken my comment a way unintended.Dennis wrote:
The use of tape is really designed to protect the boxers hands not to injure the other boxer.
Of course, that's the purpose of a fighter having his hands wrapped. It 's for the same reason that boxing gloves were invented to protect the fighters hands. (smiling)
Imagine how it must have been before boxers worn gloves, and would go 50 to 100 rounds, and go back to work in the foundries the next day. They were tough in body, and tough in mind. They came to fight!
"The more I sweated in the gym, the less I bleed in the ring."
The Cowtown Bomber
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The Cowtown Bomber
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Slow and boring .... Gee, that sounds much like the fights in the professional ranks today, especially the heavyweights with little exciting action but plenty attempts at dancing and clinching. People get educated to different forms of entertianment, and often that's what determines what people like and don't like.Dennis wrote:
Those guys were tough, but many of those bouts were really slow and boring. I have watched many of the old fights and they would only throw a dozen or so punches per round.
As for the old fights my most favorite era of boxing is the 1940s and 1950s. Of course, in filming of the old fights in those days they didn't have the advanced technology we have today.
As for amatuer boxing it use to be by far more popular especially back in the 1950s when my father was there, and when I was there later in the 1960s and 1970s it was still some what popular. But of course, in the 1950s in popularity as sport boxing was second to only baseball in those days.
Amatuer boxing remained some what popular here until more recent years when the rules and regulations changed, and they started being required to wear head gear. When that happened some years ago attendance dropped in half here for the annual golden gloves touranments. After that happened the fights were moved from being held at the more prestigous sports arenas to smaller and less prestigous places.
There use to be a time especially back in the 1950s that the annual golden gloves fights here use to get much attention and local press coverage here by the main stream media, but that changed of course. Now it receives little or no press coverage at all.
I'd like to see boxing come back as a sport, but there is so much out there today that competes for public attention. But also the sport has changed so much in both the amatuer and professional ranks from what it use to be too.
Of course, I was just a kid, a youngster back at that time I was there in the 1960s and early 1970s.
Boxing is a young man's sport.
Better for youngsters who have interest being a boxer to get it in their early teens I think, and if they do well and chose to turn pro; to do it in their late teens, and to do all they can do there and if successful stay, but to get out in their late twenties in my opinion.
In boxing you get old too fast, and smart too late.
Despite the fact that I won very near all my fights when I was there. I don't think I was really all that good at it until I got much older. There's much to know, much to learn.
I take pride in the time I spent there, I was good at it.
"The more I sweated in the gym, the less I bleed in the ring."
The Cowtown Bomber
Roberts - the rule is 3 standing 8 counts in a round or 4 in a bout and the bout is stopped by an RSC. The knockdowns were obviously not viewed as knocked downs where Saxson was hurt or he would have received an 8-count. I have seen boxers get knocked down by a glancing blow and the ref just cleans off the gloves and lets the bout continue. If the boxer truly gets knocked down from a punch and appears hurt, the ref will give the boxer a standing 8 count or the ref might just waive it off right away.Roberts J wrote:Dennis, I remebr inmy first Natl GG fight against Paul Saxson, in the 2nd Round, i gave him 2 Knock downs, adn 2 standing 8 eights. Afer 3, of any combination it shoudl be stopped ? I guess its beacuse the officials are taken from each city ?