Lennox Lewis

[yiddo14]

Lewis also did'nt fight Byrd or Ruiz.Surely that's a better argument if you are insisting Lewis dodged fights?
These two did actually earned themselves a mandatory shot,which baby Joe certainly did'nt!

As for the seven figure pay day Lewis missed out on...you are talking about a man who is worth over a hundred million probably,so why would money be a factor?
Lewis even said himself,he could'nt get motivated for the likes of Byrd or Ruiz,which in truth would have been mis matches and straight forward fights.Now,considering that both Byrd and Ruiz were(still are)better fighters than baby Joe,you might understand why Lewis did'nt even acknowledge this call out.

Mesi was'nt a mandatory challenger,he would'nt have made Lewis a great deal richer(mainly becuase,only about 0.5% of genuine boxing fans would have beleived Mesi had any chance of victory)and Mesi certainly was'nt going to do anything for anyone's legacy.

[pundit]

I've no problem with accepting that Mesi was in the lower top 10 at some point in his career.

What is totally unclear to me though is why this should have made him a worthy -- beware of compelling -- opponent for Lennox Lewis.

[Heartbreak_Kid79]

Lewis also did'nt fight Byrd or Ruiz.Surely that's a better argument if you are insisting Lewis dodged fights?
These two did actually earned themselves a mandatory shot,which baby Joe certainly did'nt!

As for the seven figure pay day Lewis missed out on...you are talking about a man who is worth over a hundred million probably,so why would money be a factor?
Lewis even said himself,he could'nt get motivated for the likes of Byrd or Ruiz,which in truth would have been mis matches and straight forward fights.Now,considering that both Byrd and Ruiz were(still are)better fighters than baby Joe,you might understand why Lewis did'nt even acknowledge this call out.

Mesi was'nt a mandatory challenger,he would'nt have made Lewis a great deal richer(mainly becuase,only about 0.5% of genuine boxing fans would have beleived Mesi had any chance of victory)and Mesi certainly was'nt going to do anything for anyone's legacy.

Lewis was the champ. Everyone wanted a shop at him.
What was he supposed to do?
Fight every Top 20 fighter calling for him? That would have kept him active till he was 50!!
Lewis didn't fight Ruiz because he wanted Grant instead. At the time Grant was seen as the bigegr threat, as he was unbeaten aand was the next American hope.
Its only after Lewis demolished him taht Grant became a joke

[KOJOE90]

Lewis also did'nt fight Byrd or Ruiz.Surely that's a better argument if you are insisting Lewis dodged fights?
These two did actually earned themselves a mandatory shot,which baby Joe certainly did'nt!

As for the seven figure pay day Lewis missed out on...you are talking about a man who is worth over a hundred million probably,so why would money be a factor?
Lewis even said himself,he could'nt get motivated for the likes of Byrd or Ruiz,which in truth would have been mis matches and straight forward fights.Now,considering that both Byrd and Ruiz were(still are)better fighters than baby Joe,you might understand why Lewis did'nt even acknowledge this call out.

Mesi was'nt a mandatory challenger,he would'nt have made Lewis a great deal richer(mainly becuase,only about 0.5% of genuine boxing fans would have beleived Mesi had any chance of victory)and Mesi certainly was'nt going to do anything for anyone's legacy.

Lewis was the champ. Everyone wanted a shop at him.
What was he supposed to do?
Fight every Top 20 fighter calling for him? That would have kept him active till he was 50!!
Lewis didn't fight Ruiz because he wanted Grant instead. At the time Grant was seen as the bigegr threat, as he was unbeaten aand was the next American hope.
Its only after Lewis demolished him taht Grant became a joke

Heartbreak_Kid79 Spot on.

[cosand]

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Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:
yiddo14 wrote:
Lewis also did'nt fight Byrd or Ruiz.Surely that's a better argument if you are insisting Lewis dodged fights?
These two did actually earned themselves a mandatory shot,which baby Joe certainly did'nt!

As for the seven figure pay day Lewis missed out on...you are talking about a man who is worth over a hundred million probably,so why would money be a factor?
Lewis even said himself,he could'nt get motivated for the likes of Byrd or Ruiz,which in truth would have been mis matches and straight forward fights.Now,considering that both Byrd and Ruiz were(still are)better fighters than baby Joe,you might understand why Lewis did'nt even acknowledge this call out.

Mesi was'nt a mandatory challenger,he would'nt have made Lewis a great deal richer(mainly becuase,only about 0.5% of genuine boxing fans would have beleived Mesi had any chance of victory)and Mesi certainly was'nt going to do anything for anyone's legacy.


Lewis was the champ. Everyone wanted a shop at him.
What was he supposed to do?
Fight every Top 20 fighter calling for him? That would have kept him active till he was 50!!
Lewis didn't fight Ruiz because he wanted Grant instead. At the time Grant was seen as the bigegr threat, as he was unbeaten aand was the next American hope.
Its only after Lewis demolished him taht Grant became a joke


Heartbreak_Kid79 Spot on.

Actaully, anyone who knew tit from twat about boxing , knew Grant was a joke long before his figght with lewis, Lewis included.

Mesi on the other hand, was at theb time he called out Lewis, the number 4 ranked fighter in the world by the WBC, and had a 3 fight contract with HBO.

No , he was NOT supposed to figght every top 20 figghter that called him out. but the "undisputed champ" was not supposed to fight a post mortum Tyson, and then wait a YEAR, only to end his career with a questionable stoppage. not if he wanted a lagacy anyway.

As for the seven figure pay day Lewis missed out on...you are talking about a man who is worth over a hundred million probably,so why would money be a factor?

PLEASE..lol
Why the hell do you think he did what he did for a living in the first place ????? Becuase he DIDN"T like the money ?????

Like I said before, Lennox Lewis fans will never let little details like facts get in the way of their man crush nut sack clutching for Lennox. When you add being a Mesi hater to the mix, it gets down right bizzare !

Oh and by the way....go back throgh the thread and look for the place where i ever claimed Mesi would BEAT Lewis. Don't bother, you wont find it, cause I never said it. I dont know if he would, and neither do you. What IS pretty clear is, Lewis himself was not taking any chances.
You Lewis-bots get SO in a hissy when anyone in any way puts Lewis's career in realistic prospective, you start making points on arguements no one ever made.
Get a GRIP guys !!!

[HomicideHenry]

For every champion there is that rematch, that fighter, that 'what if'.

For Joe Louis there was:

-Turkey Thompson
-Rematch with Billy Conn (didn't happen on the original date, had to wait until after WW2)

For Rocky Marciano:

-Never a guy all in their prime
-Would he have went 50-0 ?


In Lennox Lewis' case, who was there left to fight?

-Joe Mesi (almost kayoed by Jirov and had probs with Barrett)
-Kirk Johnson (walking advertisement for 'Save The Whales')
-Rematch with Klitschko
-Waldimir Klitschko (who proved to be china chinned)
-Corrie Sanders (totally unknown and forgotten til blasting Wlad)
-Rematch with Mike Tyson
-198 pound Roy Jones Jr
-John Ruiz
-Chris Byrd

Come on guys...none of these fights, except for the Klitschko rematch and a Jones fight (which would have had Jones splattered in 10 seconds) would have generated the dollars to have gave Lewis enough incentive to fight on. The rest would have been easy wins and for shit purses---and all it would have ended up being is that Lewis would have been the undisputed champion again, being as he was only the WBC champion.

[Collins2000]

Decagon Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject:

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Your only reason for saying that Mesi was any good was that he had a 33-0 record. I provided a counterexample to the line of logic, saying that being undefeated doesn't mean much. Lewis fought better fighters in his first 19 bouts (before Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno and McCall) than Mesi did in his entire, crappy, not-even-memorable career.

I can't see that Mesi was ever even as good as Mason.

I find it am using that for the many examples I gave to make my point about Lewis, you and a few others chose to jump on one that I emphisized the least. All I pointed out, is that Mesi called out Lewis in the international media, at a time when Mesi WAS, if you choose to admit it or not, a top 5 WBC rannked fighter, and at a time when his position, be it real or media induced, would have made a BIG pay day for Lewis, as well as a diggnified and positive exit, IF he had won the fight.

By the way Mesi's fights, From McNight through Jirov, (with the exception of Currie, who was a last minuite replacement) were MORE then on par for ANY HW in their 21st -28th fights.
Yes I know, lewis was just getting into his more competitive fights at around fight 25, but......he LOST one of them as well.


I also notice you refer to Mesi in the past tense, and that is incorrect.
He in fact, has a 10 rounder coming up next month. His opponent has not yet been announced, but I happen to know with about 80% certainty through my asssociations who the top 15ish opponent will be. When he wins that one, I can hardly wait to see what the haters will come up with then.
Things like this I am willing to bet;
Mesi lost 3 rounds..it was a razor thin controversial decision !!!!!!!
He hadn't fought since June, he was rusty !
He was too old ! 6 months earlier, he would have KILLED Mesi
He had the flu !
So what, the guy he beat in June, wasnt really that good anyway !
He was too tall. he had to punch down at Mesi, if he were shorter, he would have KILLED him !
His dad just has prostate surgery, he was distracted !
Mesi didnt Knock him out ! See he sucks !
Mesi Knocked him out, it was a lucky punch !
So what if Mesi's opponets trainer hit him with a baseball bat in the 8th round and Mesi hung on to win, if you get injured by a 5'10, 170 lb trainer, you must suck !
His opponent's cat died the night of the weigh in ! And he LOVED that cat !
But, but, but...Mesi will lost the next time..you just wait and see !!!!

George Linberger? Top 15? Looks like your insider knowledge just got shown up for what it really is, mate.

[cosand]

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Your only reason for saying that Mesi was any good was that he had a 33-0 record. I provided a counterexample to the line of logic, saying that being undefeated doesn't mean much. Lewis fought better fighters in his first 19 bouts (before Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno and McCall) than Mesi did in his entire, crappy, not-even-memorable career.

I can't see that Mesi was ever even as good as Mason.


I find it am using that for the many examples I gave to make my point about Lewis, you and a few others chose to jump on one that I emphisized the least. All I pointed out, is that Mesi called out Lewis in the international media, at a time when Mesi WAS, if you choose to admit it or not, a top 5 WBC rannked fighter, and at a time when his position, be it real or media induced, would have made a BIG pay day for Lewis, as well as a diggnified and positive exit, IF he had won the fight.

By the way Mesi's fights, From McNight through Jirov, (with the exception of Currie, who was a last minuite replacement) were MORE then on par for ANY HW in their 21st -28th fights.
Yes I know, lewis was just getting into his more competitive fights at around fight 25, but......he LOST one of them as well.


I also notice you refer to Mesi in the past tense, and that is incorrect.
He in fact, has a 10 rounder coming up next month. His opponent has not yet been announced, but I happen to know with about 80% certainty through my asssociations who the top 15ish opponent will be. When he wins that one, I can hardly wait to see what the haters will come up with then.
Things like this I am willing to bet;
Mesi lost 3 rounds..it was a razor thin controversial decision !!!!!!!
He hadn't fought since June, he was rusty !
He was too old ! 6 months earlier, he would have KILLED Mesi
He had the flu !
So what, the guy he beat in June, wasnt really that good anyway !
He was too tall. he had to punch down at Mesi, if he were shorter, he would have KILLED him !
His dad just has prostate surgery, he was distracted !
Mesi didnt Knock him out ! See he sucks !
Mesi Knocked him out, it was a lucky punch !
So what if Mesi's opponets trainer hit him with a baseball bat in the 8th round and Mesi hung on to win, if you get injured by a 5'10, 170 lb trainer, you must suck !
His opponent's cat died the night of the weigh in ! And he LOVED that cat !
But, but, but...Mesi will lost the next time..you just wait and see !!!!



George Linberger? Top 15? Looks like your insider knowledge just got shown up for what it really is, mate.

Lindberger was the third choice of Mesi, Arum and Vursus, Thompson and Rossey both opted out and took other fights in February.