Is there an heavyweight out there past or present that could of ko'd Rocky Marciano.
And if yes what situation what it be?
Thoughts.
Im fairly new here so im sorry if this as been talked about hundreds of times but im also fairly new to boxing and want to learn more.
KO Rocky?
There are probably a few who would have the raw power to KO absolutely anyone Shavers, Louis etc
The ones with the styles that would give them the best chance to KO Rocky IMO would be George Foreman and Sonny Liston.
I don't have Rocky in the top three, my top three is 1) Ali 2) Louis 3) Holmes just my opinion obviously.
The ones with the styles that would give them the best chance to KO Rocky IMO would be George Foreman and Sonny Liston.
I don't have Rocky in the top three, my top three is 1) Ali 2) Louis 3) Holmes just my opinion obviously.
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Mr-Showtime
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I use to be part of the Tyson would destroy Rocky brigade but when you look at his entire career,Tyson really was a bully with a very complicated mind,most of his fights he had won before the start and anyone who hung in there and got him in to the late rounds he had trouble with.Marciano would not have been intimidated by Tyson and would have been super fit,I feel there is a good chance Marciano would have broke Tysons spirit and won a brutal war with Tyson coming apart at the seams around the 9th or 10th especially if it was a 15 round fight.Let me make it clear ,I do not rate Rocky in the top 3 (1/Ali 2/Louis 3/ Holmes or Liston) and Mike Tyson was absoulute Dynamite on his way up BUT when you look at his career overall ,he more or less quit /cheated 3 times when fighters were not intimidated by him ,Marciano never quit.I appreciate someone could argue a very good case for Mike blowing Marciano away but this is just my opinion. By the way I do feel Lewis would have beaten a very much smaller Marciano inside the distance,Tyson im not so sure
Well he was certainly a relentless SOB there's no denying that, people tend to focus on his power and chin but his stamina was probably his greatest asset. His fights are not hard to get hold off here's a link to the main career highlights.Mr-Showtime wrote:I havn't seen much at all but been reading. So i ask this what about the amount of punches he thew and how everyone of them hurt.
I know they are just quotes i'm reading so obviously i understand how over time good can become great and so forth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcwalp0TRfc
But you can definately see all of his big fights (Charles, Walcott, Matthews, La Stanza, Cockell) on the net or get them on DVD without much trouble.
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HomicideHenry
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Stamina/endurance/conditioning is Marciano's greatest assest. I watched the Moore fight last night and for the hell of it thought to count how many punches he threw in a minute, which was 35-40 on average. This would mean he would throw over a 100 punches per round, all of them with dynamite on them. All his punches were the kayo punch.
The only man, in my opinion, who would be a high favorite over a prime Marciano would have been George Foreman of the 1970's, but as sloppy as he was in throwing his punches, he could been caught and get hurt.
The only man, in my opinion, who would be a high favorite over a prime Marciano would have been George Foreman of the 1970's, but as sloppy as he was in throwing his punches, he could been caught and get hurt.
Just as he could have got caught and hurt with Frazier...(whom he says rocked him pretty well) But I think more times than not Foreman would take him out.IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Stamina/endurance/conditioning is Marciano's greatest assest. I watched the Moore fight last night and for the hell of it thought to count how many punches he threw in a minute, which was 35-40 on average. This would mean he would throw over a 100 punches per round, all of them with dynamite on them. All his punches were the kayo punch.
The only man, in my opinion, who would be a high favorite over a prime Marciano would have been George Foreman of the 1970's, but as sloppy as he was in throwing his punches, he could been caught and get hurt.
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Mr-Showtime
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J C thanks for the link, loved it.
I now think that the rock would beat tyson.
I now definatly put rocky in my top 3, not sure where yet.
To be honest he is exactly the type of fighter i like and what i think make the sport exciting, i know its not quite the sweet science but very enthralling.
I have seen mostly ali fights and not much else in terms of my boxing history. All my other knowledge as come from the www.
I now think that the rock would beat tyson.
I now definatly put rocky in my top 3, not sure where yet.
To be honest he is exactly the type of fighter i like and what i think make the sport exciting, i know its not quite the sweet science but very enthralling.
I have seen mostly ali fights and not much else in terms of my boxing history. All my other knowledge as come from the www.
Bully or not, Marciano didnt have the physical tools or style, like Holyfield and Buster Douglas to deal with Tyson. In those two fights Tyson was still trying his best to win when he was stopped. They didnt beat him because they werent intimidated by him, they beat him because they had the skill to do it. Marciano was justr to limited to equal that feat.
Ezzard Charles past his prime and weighing a robust 187pds was able to go toe to toe with Marciano for practically the entire 15 rounds of their first fight.
Charles split Marcianos nose in half and almost stopped him because of it in the second.
Archie Moore was able to drop and hurt Marciano in thier fight and took Alot of the Rocks punches before succumbing. Tyson could takeand administer ten time more punishment the the Moore could ever do. I'm not talking in a p4p sense, by the way.
Tyson would flat out massacre Marciano. So would Lewis, Foreman, Liston and probably Frazier. The overrating of this man never ceases to amaze me.
Ezzard Charles past his prime and weighing a robust 187pds was able to go toe to toe with Marciano for practically the entire 15 rounds of their first fight.
Charles split Marcianos nose in half and almost stopped him because of it in the second.
Archie Moore was able to drop and hurt Marciano in thier fight and took Alot of the Rocks punches before succumbing. Tyson could takeand administer ten time more punishment the the Moore could ever do. I'm not talking in a p4p sense, by the way.
Tyson would flat out massacre Marciano. So would Lewis, Foreman, Liston and probably Frazier. The overrating of this man never ceases to amaze me.
the following guys would have had the power IMO to knock Rocky Marciano out...
...that doesn't mean I would favour them all in general in a match-up with Rocky (could be a lucky punch too).
James J. Jeffries
Jack Dempsey
Max Schmeling
Max Baer
Joe Louis
Ingemar Johannson
Muhammad Ali
Earnie Shavers
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
...that doesn't mean I would favour them all in general in a match-up with Rocky (could be a lucky punch too).
James J. Jeffries
Jack Dempsey
Max Schmeling
Max Baer
Joe Louis
Ingemar Johannson
Muhammad Ali
Earnie Shavers
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
You make a good argument but . . . .Im not so sure,people talk of Marciano as if he was nothing,if James Tillis could hang around until the later stages of a fight why not Marciano/ Yes I know he was smaller and its true Marciano never fought anyone as ferocious as A PEAK TYSON but Marciano was a great fighter better than many of the guys who fought Tyson ,this whole thing is down to opnion, Ezzard Charles beat a ton of fighters whilst giving away a lot of weight throughout his career but he didnt beat Rocky.I agree with you on guys like Foreman,Lewis ect beating Rocky (styles make fights) but im just not so sure Tyson would, he really seemed to me to lose confidence when guys stood up to him.Having said all that ,yes its totally possible Tyson could have blitzed Marciano out of there but how would he have reacted if Marciano (a man who had his nose hanging from his face,who punched non stop) kept coming on after 6 or 7 rounds.You generally judge a fighter over his entire career when putting him into a alltime list and the second part of Mikes career does not show him in a great light,sitting down waiting to be counted out in his last two fights is a memory that stays.theone wrote:Bully or not, Marciano didnt have the physical tools or style, like Holyfield and Buster Douglas to deal with Tyson. In those two fights Tyson was still trying his best to win when he was stopped. They didnt beat him because they werent intimidated by him, they beat him because they had the skill to do it. Marciano was justr to limited to equal that feat.
Ezzard Charles past his prime and weighing a robust 187pds was able to go toe to toe with Marciano for practically the entire 15 rounds of their first fight.
Charles split Marcianos nose in half and almost stopped him because of it in the second.
Archie Moore was able to drop and hurt Marciano in thier fight and took Alot of the Rocks punches before succumbing. Tyson could takeand administer ten time more punishment the the Moore could ever do. I'm not talking in a p4p sense, by the way.
Tyson would flat out massacre Marciano. So would Lewis, Foreman, Liston and probably Frazier. The overrating of this man never ceases to amaze me.
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Fighters that could have KO'd Marciano...there are a lot of heavyweights who "could have" knocked out Marciano...way too many to name...guys like Bob Satterfield, Tommy Gomez, Lee Q. Murray, Charley Retzlaff, Pat Comiskey, etc...they all had the power to stop Marciano if they hit him solid.
But the fighters who had the best chance to actually knock out Marciano would be those with a solid punch who were very fast with short, compact punches.
Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson would be the fighters that I would bet on as having the best chance to score a KO against Marciano. Foreman and Shavers were wide with they're punches and as a result Marciano would have excellent opportunity to connect first with shorter, compact punches of his own, but the four I mentioned were not only faster, with the exception of maybe Ali they all hit as hard as Marciano and all four were just as, or just about as durable as Marciano.
It would take more than just the brute power of a Shavers, or Foreman to knockout Marciano...it would take a combination of qualities to do the trick!
But the fighters who had the best chance to actually knock out Marciano would be those with a solid punch who were very fast with short, compact punches.
Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson would be the fighters that I would bet on as having the best chance to score a KO against Marciano. Foreman and Shavers were wide with they're punches and as a result Marciano would have excellent opportunity to connect first with shorter, compact punches of his own, but the four I mentioned were not only faster, with the exception of maybe Ali they all hit as hard as Marciano and all four were just as, or just about as durable as Marciano.
It would take more than just the brute power of a Shavers, or Foreman to knockout Marciano...it would take a combination of qualities to do the trick!
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By the way...welcome to the forum and to the history of the sport. Below is a very good list of books, some which would be hard and exspensive to get a hold of, but a list of books that would pretty much tell you the entire history of professional boxing with the exception of perhaps Oriental boxing.
Writer Title Year Pages
Anderson, Dave In the Corner: Great Boxing Trainers Talk About Their Art 1991 --
Baker, Mark Allen Complete Guide to Boxing Collectables 1995 448
Bell, Leslie Men Behind the Gloves 1950 191
Bennison, Ben Fighting: Famous Fights & Fighters Remembered and Recorded 1938 159
Bettinson, A.F. and B The Homes of Boxing: National Sporting Club 1923 256
Birkenhead, 1st Earl of Fifty Famous Fights in Fact and Fiction 1932 384
Blady, Ken The Jewish Boxer’s Hall of Fame 1988 325
Bodner, Allen When Boxing Was A Jewish Sport 1997 205
Brady, James Strange Encounters: A Complete History of Bareknuckle Boxing -- 256
Brady, Jim Boxing Confidential: Power, Corruption and the Richest Prize 2002 367
Brailsford, Dennis Bareknuckles: A Social History of Prize-Fighting 1988 176
Brown, Gene (Editor) The Complete Book of Boxing: A New York Times Scrapbook History 1980 208
Butler, Frank The Good, The Bad and the Ugly: The Story of Boxing 1986 216
Butler, Frank A History of Boxing in Britain 1972 207
Clarke, Michael J Boxing: The Golden Years Australian Boxing Vol. 1: 1940-1950 1996 80
Clarke, Michael J Boxing: Volume 2: 1950-1960 --- 96
Clarke, Michael J Boxing: Vol. 3: 1960-1970 --- 96
Clarke, Michael J Boxing: Vol. 4: 1970-1980 --- 94
Collins, Nigel Boxing Babylon: Behind the Shadowy World of the Prize Ring 1990 269
Corri, Eugene Refereeing 1,000 Fights: Reminiscences of Boxing 1919 190
Corris, Peter Lords of the Ring: A History of Prize-Fighting in Australia 1980 200
Cox, William D. (Editor) Boxing in Art and Literature 1935 227
Cristofaro, S. De Boxing’s Greatest Middleweights 1982 168
Daniel, Dan The Mike Jacobs Story 1950 128
Dartnell, Fred Seconds Out.' Chats About Boxers, Their Trainers And Patrons 1924 276
Davis, F.C. Boxing Reference Dictionary --- 126
Deakin, Fred Welsh Warriors 1990 192
Deghy, Guy History of the National Sporting Club 1956 240
Donald, Brian The Fight Game in Scotland 1988 240
Dowling, Frank Fights For the Championship and Celebrated Prize Battles 1855 432
Dowling, Frank Fistiana: The Oracle of the Ring 1856 160
Duncan, John In the Red Corner: A Journey into Cuban Boxing --- 338
Early, Gerald The Culture of Bruising: Essays on Prizefighting 1994 285
Elbaze, Didier Deux Poings Pour Une Etoile. L’eopee Des Boxeurs Juifs 2004 352
--In French, a history of Jewish boxers.
Evans, Gavin Kings of the Ring: The History of Heavyweight Boxing 2005 446
Farnol, Jeffrey Epics of the Fancy: A Vision of Old Fighters 1928 310
Farnol, Jeffrey Famous Prize Fights 1928 260
Fitch, Jerry Cleveland’s Greatest Fighters of All Time 2002 128
Fleischer, Nat Black Dynamite: Story of the Negro in Boxing (5 Volumes) 1938 1191
Volume 1 Story of the Negro in Boxing 1938 182
Volume 2 Story of Joe Louis and Henry Armstrong, 1938 163
Volume 3 The Three Colored Aces: George Dixon, Joe Gana and Joe Walcott 1938 314
Volume 4 Fighting Furies: Jack Johnson, Sam Langford and others 1939 282
Volume 5 Sockers In Sepia 1939 250
Fleischer, Nat 50 Years At Ringside 1958 296
Fleischer, Nat The Heavyweight Championship: An Informal History 1949 318
Golesworthy, Maurice The Encyclopedia of Boxing ---- 240
Gorn, Elliott J. The Manly Art: Bare-Knuckle Prize Fighting in America 1986 316
Greig, Murray Goin’ the Distance: Canada’s Boxing Heritage 1996 246
Greyvenstein, Chris This Brutal Glory 1969 162
-- A collection of chapters on South African, American & British boxers.
Greyvenstein, Chris The Fighters: A Pictorial History of South African Boxing from 1881 1981 448
Grombach, John V. The Saga of the Fist: The 9,000 Year Story of Boxing 1977 250
Haldane, Robert A. Champions and Challengers: One Hundred Years of Queensberry 1967 244
Haldane, Robert A. Giants of the Ring: Story of the Heavyweights for Two Hundred Years 1948 163
Harding, John Lonsdale’s Belt: The Story of Boxing’s Greatest Prize. 1994 352
Hartley, R.A. History & Bibliography of Boxing Books 1988 349
Hauser, Thomas The Black Lights 1986 257
Helliwell, Arthur The Private Lives of Famous Fighters 1949 98
Henning, Fred Fights For the Championship: The Men and Their Times: Volume I *** 334
Henning, Fred Fights For the Championship: The Men and Their Times: Volume II *** 529
Jenkinson, Jim (ed) The Mersey Fighters: Lives & Times of Liverpool’s Boxing Heroes ---- 332
Johnson, Dick The Bare-Knucklers 1999 302
Kieza, Grantlee Australian Boxing: The Illustrated History 1990 240
Liebling, A.J. The Sweet Science --- 288
Lindsay, Andrew Boxing in Black and White: A Statistical Study of Race in the Ring 2004 249
Maresca, Gianfranco Gladiators of the Ring I 2004 441
Maresca, Gianfranco Gladiators of the Ring II 2004 292
Matthews, Bill The English Boxing Champions 1990 151
McGhee, Frank England’s Boxing Heroes 1988 191
McInnes, Peter Clouting for Cash: Great Fights and Fighters 1939-1959 1962 219
McNeill, Jim That Night in the Garden: Great Fights and Great Moments from MSG 2003 320
McNeill, Jim They Could’ve Been Contenders 2001 274
Miles, Henry Downes Pugilistica: The History of British Boxing (3 Volumes) 1906 ---
Mills, Freddie Forward the Light-Heavies 1956 224
Mitchell, Ray Great Australian Fights 1965 130
Mullan, Harry Boxing: The Last 25 Years 1991 174
Mullan, Harry Heroes and Hard Men: The Story of Britain’s World Champions 1989 216
Naidoo, Bobby 20 Years: The Story of the World Boxing Council 1983 274
Naughton, W.W. Kings of the Queensberry Realm 1902 315
O’Brien, Brian F. Kiwi’s With Gloves On: A History of New Zealand Boxing 1960 270
Odd, Gilbert The Encyclopedia of Boxing 1989 224 (Revised)
Odd, Gilbert Great Moments in Sports: Heavyweight Boxing 1973 223
Odd, Gilbert Great Moments in Sports: Cruisers to Mighty Atoms 1974 --
Odd, Gilbert Ring Battles of the Century 1949 244
Potts, Archie The Wearside Champions 1993 172
Prestage, Michael Celtic Fists --- 249
Rice, Harold Within the Ropes: Accounts of all Heavyweight Title Bouts from Figg 1946 194
Roberts, James The Boxing Register: IBHOF Record Book. Third Edition 2006 782
Roberts, Kenneth Captain of the Push: Australian Boxing History 1870-1900 1963 137
Rose, Charlie Life’s A Knockout 1953 208
Sammons, Jeffrey T. Beyond the Ring: The Role of Boxing in American Society 1988 318
Schulian, John Writer’s Fighters and other Sweet Scientists 1983 252
Shirley, Phil The Soul of Boxing: What Motivates the World’s Greatest Fighters 1999 2001
Singh, Benny My Champions Were Dark 1963 199
Smith, Kevin Black Genesis: The History of the Black Prizefighter 1760-1870 2003 230
Smith, Kevin The Sundowners: The History of the Black Prizefighter 1870-1930 2007 656
Smith, Terry The Old Tin Shed: Sydney Stadium 1908-1970 1999 144
Solomons, Jack Jack Solomons Tells All 1951 200
Sugden, John Boxing and Society: An International Analysis 1996 218
Suster, Gerald Champions of the Ring: Lives And Times Of Heavyweight Heroes 1992 326
Suster, Gerald Lightning Strikes: The Lives and Times of Boxing’s Lightweight Heroes 1994 220
Taylor, W. Buchanan- What Do You Know About Boxing? 1947 243
Thomas, Arnold Heroes of the Fancy: A History of Australian Boxing 1999 208
Toomey, Mick The Fighting Men of Hull 1993 146
Treharne, Evan R. British Heavyweight Champions 1959 144
Turpin, Guy Forgotten Men of the Prize Ring 1963 76
Unterharnscheidt, Fried Boxing: Medical Aspects 2003 900
Wharton, Ronnie Boxing In Leeds & Bradford 2001 176
--- The Ring Record Book 1986-87 -- --
Writer Title Year Pages
Anderson, Dave In the Corner: Great Boxing Trainers Talk About Their Art 1991 --
Baker, Mark Allen Complete Guide to Boxing Collectables 1995 448
Bell, Leslie Men Behind the Gloves 1950 191
Bennison, Ben Fighting: Famous Fights & Fighters Remembered and Recorded 1938 159
Bettinson, A.F. and B The Homes of Boxing: National Sporting Club 1923 256
Birkenhead, 1st Earl of Fifty Famous Fights in Fact and Fiction 1932 384
Blady, Ken The Jewish Boxer’s Hall of Fame 1988 325
Bodner, Allen When Boxing Was A Jewish Sport 1997 205
Brady, James Strange Encounters: A Complete History of Bareknuckle Boxing -- 256
Brady, Jim Boxing Confidential: Power, Corruption and the Richest Prize 2002 367
Brailsford, Dennis Bareknuckles: A Social History of Prize-Fighting 1988 176
Brown, Gene (Editor) The Complete Book of Boxing: A New York Times Scrapbook History 1980 208
Butler, Frank The Good, The Bad and the Ugly: The Story of Boxing 1986 216
Butler, Frank A History of Boxing in Britain 1972 207
Clarke, Michael J Boxing: The Golden Years Australian Boxing Vol. 1: 1940-1950 1996 80
Clarke, Michael J Boxing: Volume 2: 1950-1960 --- 96
Clarke, Michael J Boxing: Vol. 3: 1960-1970 --- 96
Clarke, Michael J Boxing: Vol. 4: 1970-1980 --- 94
Collins, Nigel Boxing Babylon: Behind the Shadowy World of the Prize Ring 1990 269
Corri, Eugene Refereeing 1,000 Fights: Reminiscences of Boxing 1919 190
Corris, Peter Lords of the Ring: A History of Prize-Fighting in Australia 1980 200
Cox, William D. (Editor) Boxing in Art and Literature 1935 227
Cristofaro, S. De Boxing’s Greatest Middleweights 1982 168
Daniel, Dan The Mike Jacobs Story 1950 128
Dartnell, Fred Seconds Out.' Chats About Boxers, Their Trainers And Patrons 1924 276
Davis, F.C. Boxing Reference Dictionary --- 126
Deakin, Fred Welsh Warriors 1990 192
Deghy, Guy History of the National Sporting Club 1956 240
Donald, Brian The Fight Game in Scotland 1988 240
Dowling, Frank Fights For the Championship and Celebrated Prize Battles 1855 432
Dowling, Frank Fistiana: The Oracle of the Ring 1856 160
Duncan, John In the Red Corner: A Journey into Cuban Boxing --- 338
Early, Gerald The Culture of Bruising: Essays on Prizefighting 1994 285
Elbaze, Didier Deux Poings Pour Une Etoile. L’eopee Des Boxeurs Juifs 2004 352
--In French, a history of Jewish boxers.
Evans, Gavin Kings of the Ring: The History of Heavyweight Boxing 2005 446
Farnol, Jeffrey Epics of the Fancy: A Vision of Old Fighters 1928 310
Farnol, Jeffrey Famous Prize Fights 1928 260
Fitch, Jerry Cleveland’s Greatest Fighters of All Time 2002 128
Fleischer, Nat Black Dynamite: Story of the Negro in Boxing (5 Volumes) 1938 1191
Volume 1 Story of the Negro in Boxing 1938 182
Volume 2 Story of Joe Louis and Henry Armstrong, 1938 163
Volume 3 The Three Colored Aces: George Dixon, Joe Gana and Joe Walcott 1938 314
Volume 4 Fighting Furies: Jack Johnson, Sam Langford and others 1939 282
Volume 5 Sockers In Sepia 1939 250
Fleischer, Nat 50 Years At Ringside 1958 296
Fleischer, Nat The Heavyweight Championship: An Informal History 1949 318
Golesworthy, Maurice The Encyclopedia of Boxing ---- 240
Gorn, Elliott J. The Manly Art: Bare-Knuckle Prize Fighting in America 1986 316
Greig, Murray Goin’ the Distance: Canada’s Boxing Heritage 1996 246
Greyvenstein, Chris This Brutal Glory 1969 162
-- A collection of chapters on South African, American & British boxers.
Greyvenstein, Chris The Fighters: A Pictorial History of South African Boxing from 1881 1981 448
Grombach, John V. The Saga of the Fist: The 9,000 Year Story of Boxing 1977 250
Haldane, Robert A. Champions and Challengers: One Hundred Years of Queensberry 1967 244
Haldane, Robert A. Giants of the Ring: Story of the Heavyweights for Two Hundred Years 1948 163
Harding, John Lonsdale’s Belt: The Story of Boxing’s Greatest Prize. 1994 352
Hartley, R.A. History & Bibliography of Boxing Books 1988 349
Hauser, Thomas The Black Lights 1986 257
Helliwell, Arthur The Private Lives of Famous Fighters 1949 98
Henning, Fred Fights For the Championship: The Men and Their Times: Volume I *** 334
Henning, Fred Fights For the Championship: The Men and Their Times: Volume II *** 529
Jenkinson, Jim (ed) The Mersey Fighters: Lives & Times of Liverpool’s Boxing Heroes ---- 332
Johnson, Dick The Bare-Knucklers 1999 302
Kieza, Grantlee Australian Boxing: The Illustrated History 1990 240
Liebling, A.J. The Sweet Science --- 288
Lindsay, Andrew Boxing in Black and White: A Statistical Study of Race in the Ring 2004 249
Maresca, Gianfranco Gladiators of the Ring I 2004 441
Maresca, Gianfranco Gladiators of the Ring II 2004 292
Matthews, Bill The English Boxing Champions 1990 151
McGhee, Frank England’s Boxing Heroes 1988 191
McInnes, Peter Clouting for Cash: Great Fights and Fighters 1939-1959 1962 219
McNeill, Jim That Night in the Garden: Great Fights and Great Moments from MSG 2003 320
McNeill, Jim They Could’ve Been Contenders 2001 274
Miles, Henry Downes Pugilistica: The History of British Boxing (3 Volumes) 1906 ---
Mills, Freddie Forward the Light-Heavies 1956 224
Mitchell, Ray Great Australian Fights 1965 130
Mullan, Harry Boxing: The Last 25 Years 1991 174
Mullan, Harry Heroes and Hard Men: The Story of Britain’s World Champions 1989 216
Naidoo, Bobby 20 Years: The Story of the World Boxing Council 1983 274
Naughton, W.W. Kings of the Queensberry Realm 1902 315
O’Brien, Brian F. Kiwi’s With Gloves On: A History of New Zealand Boxing 1960 270
Odd, Gilbert The Encyclopedia of Boxing 1989 224 (Revised)
Odd, Gilbert Great Moments in Sports: Heavyweight Boxing 1973 223
Odd, Gilbert Great Moments in Sports: Cruisers to Mighty Atoms 1974 --
Odd, Gilbert Ring Battles of the Century 1949 244
Potts, Archie The Wearside Champions 1993 172
Prestage, Michael Celtic Fists --- 249
Rice, Harold Within the Ropes: Accounts of all Heavyweight Title Bouts from Figg 1946 194
Roberts, James The Boxing Register: IBHOF Record Book. Third Edition 2006 782
Roberts, Kenneth Captain of the Push: Australian Boxing History 1870-1900 1963 137
Rose, Charlie Life’s A Knockout 1953 208
Sammons, Jeffrey T. Beyond the Ring: The Role of Boxing in American Society 1988 318
Schulian, John Writer’s Fighters and other Sweet Scientists 1983 252
Shirley, Phil The Soul of Boxing: What Motivates the World’s Greatest Fighters 1999 2001
Singh, Benny My Champions Were Dark 1963 199
Smith, Kevin Black Genesis: The History of the Black Prizefighter 1760-1870 2003 230
Smith, Kevin The Sundowners: The History of the Black Prizefighter 1870-1930 2007 656
Smith, Terry The Old Tin Shed: Sydney Stadium 1908-1970 1999 144
Solomons, Jack Jack Solomons Tells All 1951 200
Sugden, John Boxing and Society: An International Analysis 1996 218
Suster, Gerald Champions of the Ring: Lives And Times Of Heavyweight Heroes 1992 326
Suster, Gerald Lightning Strikes: The Lives and Times of Boxing’s Lightweight Heroes 1994 220
Taylor, W. Buchanan- What Do You Know About Boxing? 1947 243
Thomas, Arnold Heroes of the Fancy: A History of Australian Boxing 1999 208
Toomey, Mick The Fighting Men of Hull 1993 146
Treharne, Evan R. British Heavyweight Champions 1959 144
Turpin, Guy Forgotten Men of the Prize Ring 1963 76
Unterharnscheidt, Fried Boxing: Medical Aspects 2003 900
Wharton, Ronnie Boxing In Leeds & Bradford 2001 176
--- The Ring Record Book 1986-87 -- --
Even if I agree for on that (just for the sake of argument), those factors could matter only if the fight would've turned into something like Foreman-Lyle, which is almost impossible. Marziano was way too small for that - I think it would be rather something like Foreman-Frazier, and Rocky would be constantly pushed back, punished and finally KO'd.bollox wrote:I'm not so sure Foreman would have KO'd Marciano. Marciano had a better chin than George and his power was comparable
Maybe so, who really knows hey?. But I could just as plausibly see Marciano landing bombs on Foreman's chin early and putting him down for the countgregor wrote:Even if I agree for on that (just for the sake of argument), those factors could matter only if the fight would've turned into something like Foreman-Lyle, which is almost impossible. Marziano was way too small for that - I think it would be rather something like Foreman-Frazier, and Rocky would be constantly pushed back, punished and finally KO'd.bollox wrote:I'm not so sure Foreman would have KO'd Marciano. Marciano had a better chin than George and his power was comparable
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dr_devious
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It isnt about class, its about styles. Foreman never demolished anyone even remotely in Frazier's class before they fought and look what happened. Duran was one of Hearns easiest fights, and also one of the best fighters he ever fought.Tyson never blasted out anyone within a million miles of Marciano's class.So I find it hard to say he would be the one man to have stopped the rock.
Marciano had no adavantages over Tyson. His heart and will wouldnt be enough to overcome the assualt the bigger stronger tougher and much faster Tyson would lay on him.
Tyson was not tougher than Marciano and certainly was not mentally tougher,this is a very difficult fight to judge for instance what Tyson turns up against what Marciano? an old Tyson against a 1955 Marciano gets ground down in my opinion, a young upcoming tyson aginst a 1953 Marciano ,is a far more even fight ,a young Marciano against a young Tyson ,i go with tyson. I think its fair to say Fraizer and Duran had both seen better days by the time of the fights you mention,as i said earlier because Mikes career is so polarized it is difficult to say what Mike turns up,ill say this though -If he is not 100 per cent against Marciano he would have got beaten,other than Holmes (past his best) who did Mike beat as good as Rocky?theone wrote:It isnt about class, its about styles. Foreman never demolished anyone even remotely in Frazier's class before they fought and look what happened. Duran was one of Hearns easiest fights, and also one of the best fighters he ever fought.Tyson never blasted out anyone within a million miles of Marciano's class.So I find it hard to say he would be the one man to have stopped the rock.
Marciano had no adavantages over Tyson. His heart and will wouldnt be enough to overcome the assualt the bigger stronger tougher and much faster Tyson would lay on him.