Jake Lamotta vs Bernard Hopkins 160LB

zuru · Post by **zuru** » 21 Jan 2007, 04:48

Too bad there is not a way to keep track of dream fights,and when posts pop up that have already been,reroute them to their place.Can Hopkins keep the hard pressuring slugger off of him?I think Lamotta would win a unanimous decision.Hopkins would hang tough,but couldn't win this.

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 21 Jan 2007, 05:02

Hopkins would win all 15 rounds.

wolverine1 · Post by **wolverine1** » 27 Jan 2007, 22:54

Hopkins likes his opponents to come to him, and Jake would have obliged in a devastating fashion for Hopkins.
Jake's body shots would have broken Hopkins down in a matter of 6 rounds or less, then KO'ing him brutally.
Hopkins is a tricky boxer who knows all the moves, but his style would be his downfall against a punisher like La Motta.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 28 Jan 2007, 01:01

Hopkins relentlessly outboxes LaMotta in a route to a one sided UD.

theone · Post by **theone** » 28 Jan 2007, 03:29

Hopkins likes his opponents to come to him, and Jake would have obliged in a devastating fashion for Hopkins.
Jake's body shots would have broken Hopkins down in a matter of 6 rounds or less, then KO'ing him brutally.

I can picture Hopkins outboxing LaMotta, and I can picture LaMotta pounding out a hard fought decision. However, I couldnt imagine either knocking the other out.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 28 Jan 2007, 03:34

LaMotta would destroy him.

theone · Post by **theone** » 28 Jan 2007, 04:42

No one imagined LaMotta getting KO/TKO victories over Cerdan and Dauthuille, either.

I imagine alot people did against Dauthuille; they just didnt expect it so dramatically.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 28 Jan 2007, 16:19

Hopkins, on points IMO

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 28 Jan 2007, 17:21

If LaMotta can get inside effectively, KO by the 10th. B-HOP may have been able to stick and move for a UD, but I reckon the raging bull wins this one.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 28 Jan 2007, 17:33

Good fight.....Tough one to call.....my gut some LaMotta....but my head says Hopkins by razor thin Dec.....

Nah...going with LaMotta by Dec..

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 28 Jan 2007, 17:34

best question is - who would we prefer to win?

LaMotta all day long eh?

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 28 Jan 2007, 18:44

Decagon wrote:
theone wrote:
No one imagined LaMotta getting KO/TKO victories over Cerdan and Dauthuille, either.
I imagine alot people did against Dauthuille; they just didnt expect it so dramatically.
Dauthuille was a strong fighter who'd never been knocked out. LaMotta wasn't known as a puncher, and he'd previously lost to Dauthuille.
m1kee50 wrote:If LaMotta can get inside effectively, KO by the 10th. B-HOP may have been able to stick and move for a UD, but I reckon the raging bull wins this one.
That's simply not how Hopkins fought, even in his prime. He'd be totally out of his element if he tried to fight that way.
m1kee50 wrote:best question is - who would we prefer to win?

LaMotta all day long eh?
LaMotta is a thug, a fight-thrower, a wifebeater and a child molestor. Hopkins is a role model to all ex-cons and an ambassador to the sport of boxing. I'd be behind Hopkins all day long

I was being ironic dec, maybe i should have been clearer.
lol, maybe I have been swayed by the media (and i dont mean raging bull, i mean every time B-hop gets in front of a camera or tape recorder.)

i meant that hopkins would not be able to trade with LaMotta, and would be 'forced' to fight at a longer range and with greater mobility. Indeed, if what you say is true then i revise my opinion - LaMotta wins every which way.

LaMotta was not a KO artist - 30 from 83, but he was a hard puncher, known at the time as one by his opponents (no better judge).

Hopkins does have 32 from 47, ill give you that, and while the number is impressive, the calibre of Hopkins opponents has in the majority of cases to be questioned.

Just my opinion......

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 28 Jan 2007, 19:45

I'll Take Hopkin's by SD I can see Jake wearing him down but B-Hop is a very intelligent fighter and can fight on the inside as counterpunch I don't think Lamotta would outwork B-Hop who always comes in at excellent condition even at his age right now.. If I think a WW benitez could trouble Lamotta a natural 160 fighter like B-Hop can do it B-Hop by Close UD/SD

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 28 Jan 2007, 20:28

Your right but both would try to outbox Lamotta Benitez would have success but would lose because he is not strong enough or hit's hard enough to be able to keep Lamotta B-Hop on the other Hand is much bigger and I don't see both trying to engage Lamotta in a war not to mention B-Hop has better inside skill's than Benitez would and that would prove the difference

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 29 Jan 2007, 02:12

Decagon wrote:That's even sillier. You simply can't compare the two, defensively. Benitez would make LaMotta chase him, while Hopkins would stand right in front of him and make him miss. There's more than one type of defensive fighter.

Oh Yeah!! Why don't you tell us who would win instead of playing the role of GOD Saying What's wrong and right

BTW I never compared their defense in my previous post just pointing some things out..

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 29 Jan 2007, 03:09

I just can't believe just how much LaMotta is overrated, people giving him any chances vs Hopkins at all.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 29 Jan 2007, 03:37

watch some tapes of him and you'll get it. watch the fight where Robinson stopped him even and you'll see how much he landed on Robinson throughout the fight. LaMotta wasn't Rocky Balboa, he could box very well, there's a misperception around that he was just a punchbag with a hard chin and good stamina, I don't know where it comes from, maybe Raging Bull

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 29 Jan 2007, 03:42

Senya13 wrote:I just can't believe just how much LaMotta is overrated, people giving him any chances vs Hopkins at all.

I cant believe how overrated Hopkins is....

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 29 Jan 2007, 04:06

But you still think B-HOP beats him?

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 29 Jan 2007, 04:31

my bad, i was just being facetious

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 29 Jan 2007, 04:37

I watched the tapes. Smaller Robinson outboxing him silly the time Ray wasn't standing on the ropes without defending himself (usual problem for middleweight Ray). Eugene Hairston, outboxing him all the way, only to be robbed of decision. Smaller Dauthuille outboxing him silly. And so on, and so on.
Hopkins may choose to fight on backfoot, he had no problem with that. Or he could slug it out, easily, tough and dirty, he had no problem with that. His chin and durability are at least as good as LaMotta's, I'd say they are even better than LaMotta's. He's a harder puncher, much more skillful (in different league), much better defense and offense, fighting inside or outside. He'll box LaMotta's ears off, possibly wearing him down enough to stop him late in the fight.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 29 Jan 2007, 08:33

Lamotta was a slugger with little talent, I have many tapes on him and apart from an iron chin and great heart, There are at least a dozen Middle weights that would beat him easily and he wouldn't even make my top 15.

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 30 Jan 2007, 05:01

Those were the years when he won the middleweight title and defended it twice. Against Hairston he even weighed as a light heavyweight, didn't help him. You've seen any footage of LaMotta prior to Cerdan? And he was only 29 or 30 years old by this point, with less than 100 fights under his belt, an average of 10 fights per year, or less than 1 fight per month.
Hopkins also struggled making 160lb, he said in his yesterday interview that even 168lb wouldn't have been quite comfortable weight for him last 10 something years.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 01 Feb 2007, 07:04

Red Medicine wrote:LaMotta would destroy him in less than thirty seconds. Hopkins would probably have to retire after such a terrible beating. Guys who fought in the 1940s hit twice as hard as current middleweights.

You need to keep taking your red medicine if you really believe this crap

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 01 Feb 2007, 19:39

Red Medicine wrote:Wow, now we're getting elitist about forum sections!

Don't worry, I have no intentions of staying in this forum. It's a bit too delusional for my taste. But have fun spinning your ridiculous and unprovable arguments about who would beat who. Wait, who am I kidding? The fighter who was born the earliest always wins, because it turns out that he's close to your age. You old geyser.

You don't have to be old to know about boxing I am sure Dec has wasted money to get fights and seeing fighters from different Era's

Jake Lamotta vs Bernard Hopkins 160LB

Jake Lamotta vs Bernard Hopkins 160LB

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