Has latest stiff for Hatton been announced yet?

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

[Only the worst kind of Mayweather nuthugger would try to claim that Castillo's weight problems had no effect in the results of their fights.

Castillo did drain, that weakened him yes, BUT it also gave him around 15lb weight advantage in the ring. Obviously Castillo thought he was better sapping all the water out of his system, putting it back on in 24hours after the weigh in and picking on smaller men.

Are you going to apply the 'Castillo was drained line' when he fights Hatton? As it was obvious he was struggling to make weight days before the Ndoujo fight. I doubt that line of argument will come up then

[MightyWarrior]

WRONG!!!!
Mitchell fought that muppet from the contender series, on the undercard of Hatton / Pederson. Hattons people then agreed to fight Mitchell.
Mitchell then pulled out, leaving Hatton to fight the same muppet. Stewart I think is his name.

You've been reading Frank's column too long...

Pinto pulled out of a Hatton fight, and the long suffering fans were served up a slightly warmed over Pederson instead.

On the same bill it was Mitchell v Stewart, so Warren asked Mitchell if he'd step aside and allow Hatton to face the hapless Stewart instead.

Mitchell declined and said he'd face Hatton - but Warren said no thanks.

That's what I heard and I think that's what happened. At the time, a lot of fans thought Mitchell would beat Hatton.

And James is right: Manny suprisingly turned down Hatton for Harris, as he said the style was all wrong for his man.

I always thought the right hand of Harris would be a danger for anyone at 140.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

If anyone believes that Manyn and Harris wanted that fight with Hatton, then I guess you'll believe anything. What kind of contract did Harris sign, have you seen this contract, or, let me guess, you are taking the word of Vivian Harris?

Vivian has a reputation of being notoriously difficult to work with, which is why Main Events released him, they were sick and tired of his ridiculous demands and his dissapearing all the time, and refusing to speak to anyone. Of course, that is main events side of the story, (it was main events he was with wasn't it?), but I think it's pretty glib to take everythinig Harris said at the time as gospel.

So what made Harris think he was going to get purse parity? He knew damned well he wasn't going to get it, and so did Manny. When you have zero drawing power, how on earth do you hope to get purse parity with someone who can sell 16,000 tickets at home against pretty much anyone you choose and make a nice wad each time?

Manny Steward is no fool, he knew that if they asked for purse parity and home advantage, there was no way the fight would happen. He even said himself after the event that he didn't want the fight for Harris, and that he had advised him against taking it. The fight was on until Manny took over as manager, and his first act was to ensure he scuppered the fight.

Ask yourself this, why on earth would you stage the fight in Detroit? Harris couldn't fill his own living room in a house full of relatives, and who the fekk is going to turn out to watch in detroit? The place is a virtual ghost town these days, it's poor as hell.

You're being naive if you think that Harris and Steward wanted that fight. Steward knew there was a pretty big chance Harris loses, and it's not like Harris had any kind of following in the first place.

YEs Harris did say he'd only get around 50k once his management had been paid with the Hatton contract. Maybe hes lying but maybe hes not. He wouldn't have been the first uneducated fighter to sign a contract that robs him blind. Lets be realistic though

Why do you give all the blame to Harris and accuse him of ducking when he was the champ and he was oblidged to fight Ricky if Ricky agreed terms. Warren and Hatton were not easy to make fights with. Thats why fights with Mitchell, Harris, Judah, Corley, Gatti, Cotto, Mayweather never came off despite them all been on the table at 1 time or another. Now ask yourself why those fights didn't come off.

Why did Harris think he deserved Purse Parity? Because he was the champ had the belt that Hatton wanted and had done all the hard working fighting slick fighters like Hurtado and Mbaiye to get the title, you know the type Hatton trys to avoid? I don't think Harris himself would duck anyone at 140.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I don't wish to appear rude or overbearing, but you lack a grasp of the fundamentals of the boxing business. Belts don't mean a goddam thing if you are not a draw, they are ten a penny these days, and Hatton made more money with his WBU bauble in one fight, than Harris would have done with a his 'legit' belt in four. Junior Witter also has a title belt, but I don't see Cotto, Castillo, Corralles, or Mayweather clamouring for a big money fight with Witter, but his belt is no less prestigious than the one Hatton has.

Hatton doesn't even need a belt, neither for that matter does ANY marquee fighter these days. Morales, Barrera, Pacquaio have all engaged in Mega fights with one another, without any major belts on the line, and it didn't make a jot of difference to the PPV, the crowd or the anticipation beforehand. Manny doesn't have a world title belt to his name at all, but he's the hottest ticket in boxing right now, and is earning millions, why is that do you wonder?

And as I said, Emmanuel Steward himself said that he deliberately pulled the plug on the fight, because he thought that Hatton would beat his man, I mean, it's hardly on Steward's, or for that matter his fighters, own interests to make that up is it? The fight was all signed until Harris suddenly signed up with Steward as his manager as well as his trainer.

I spoke to someone from Main Events not long before this was happening, was it Gary Shaw back then, and he said that Vivain Harris had a hugely inflated sense of what he was worth and as a consequence getting him fights was very challenging.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I don't wish to appear rude or overbearing, but you lack a grasp of the fundamentals of the boxing business. Belts don't mean a goddam thing if you are not a draw, they are ten a penny these days, and Hatton made more money with his WBU bauble in one fight, than Harris would have done with a his 'legit' belt in four. Junior Witter also has a title belt, but I don't see Cotto, Castillo, Corralles, or Mayweather clamouring for a big money fight with Witter, but his belt is no less prestigious than the one Hatton has.

Hatton doesn't even need a belt, neither for that matter does ANY marquee fighter these days. Morales, Barrera, Pacquaio have all engaged in Mega fights with one another, without any major belts on the line, and it didn't make a jot of difference to the PPV, the crowd or the anticipation beforehand. Manny doesn't have a world title belt to his name at all, but he's the hottest ticket in boxing right now, and is earning millions, why is that do you wonder?

And as I said, Emmanuel Steward himself said that he deliberately pulled the plug on the fight, because he thought that Hatton would beat his man, I mean, it's hardly on Steward's, or for that matter his fighters, own interests to make that up is it? The fight was all signed until Harris suddenly signed up with Steward as his manager as well as his trainer.

I spoke to someone from Main Events not long before this was happening, was it Gary Shaw back then, and he said that Vivain Harris had a hugely inflated sense of what he was worth and as a consequence getting him fights was very challenging.

Hatton didn't need real belts around the time of the Harris fight? Definately untrue, he was in desperate need of a real title, the Harris fight would be the 'Big One' after years of disapointment. The belt and the fact he was a top fighter would have made the fight more saleable to the US market at that time. Anyway whether Harris warranted purse parity is irrelevant, he didn't duck Hatton he simply asked for a better deal - he technically couldnt duck Hatton unless he gave his belt up to Hatton like Hatton did with his 3 belts.

Hatton doesn't fight big fights like Pacman/Barrera/Morales. And he still isn't at the level where he can sell big fights without a big belt - he fought 3 fringe fighters paying them way over they're worth just to have a belt round his waist. So saying Ricky doesn't need a belt and it doesn't help sell his fights is rubbish.

Fighters not needing belts - disagree they add to the value of a fight. Why else does DLH take on Mayorga for the WBC, Sturm for the WBO, Castellijo for the WBC? Why is barrera hanging on to his belts now and not paying sanctioning fees if he sees them as irrelevant?

It was actually surely Hamed did that started - fights without belts. And Barrera kept upto it for a short time until he got his hands back on some real belts. LETS NOT FORGET BARRERA WENT FOR EASY FIGHTS AFTER MORALES 2.

I haven't seen Stewarts statements and I'd like to see this - after keeping up with the news over the years I would have expected to hear this but maybe I didn't catch it. Even if he did make them it was him that avoided the fight and not Harris. Lets face it if hes going in with Mbaiye, Hurtado, Lazcano for small change hes not going to be scared off by Hatton for 750k.

[states]

Hatton didn't need real belts around the time of the Harris fight? Definately untrue, he was in desperate need of a real title, the Harris fight would be the 'Big One' after years of disapointment. The belt and the fact he was a top fighter would have made the fight more saleable to the US market at that time. Anyway whether Harris warranted purse parity is irrelevant, he didn't duck Hatton he simply asked for a better deal - he technically couldnt duck Hatton unless he gave his belt up to Hatton like Hatton did with his 3 belts.

If Hatton was that desperate, he'd have fought Harris. At the end of the day, Harris was a paper champion. And Hatton ended up fighting the real 140lb champion, who was happy to accept a bumper payday to travel to Manchester. Did Harris duck Hatton? Not in the accepted sense, that he was scared to fight him. But he turned down a career high payday to fight Hatton, and that cannot be denied. Is it Hatton's fault that he was, according to him, only going to get less than 7% of his purse? No. Tell me, did Harris get less than 7% of the purse he was paid to fight Urkal?

Hatton can be blamed for more than one fight not happening, but Harris is not one of them.

[hitman_hatton1]

I don't wish to appear rude or overbearing, but you lack a grasp of the fundamentals of the boxing business. Belts don't mean a goddam thing if you are not a draw, they are ten a penny these days, and Hatton made more money with his WBU bauble in one fight, than Harris would have done with a his 'legit' belt in four. Junior Witter also has a title belt, but I don't see Cotto, Castillo, Corralles, or Mayweather clamouring for a big money fight with Witter, but his belt is no less prestigious than the one Hatton has.

Hatton doesn't even need a belt, neither for that matter does ANY marquee fighter these days. Morales, Barrera, Pacquaio have all engaged in Mega fights with one another, without any major belts on the line, and it didn't make a jot of difference to the PPV, the crowd or the anticipation beforehand. Manny doesn't have a world title belt to his name at all, but he's the hottest ticket in boxing right now, and is earning millions, why is that do you wonder?

And as I said, Emmanuel Steward himself said that he deliberately pulled the plug on the fight, because he thought that Hatton would beat his man, I mean, it's hardly on Steward's, or for that matter his fighters, own interests to make that up is it? The fight was all signed until Harris suddenly signed up with Steward as his manager as well as his trainer.

I spoke to someone from Main Events not long before this was happening, was it Gary Shaw back then, and he said that Vivain Harris had a hugely inflated sense of what he was worth and as a consequence getting him fights was very challenging.

he still ain't getting it is he mate.

[Roars Like Me]

[Only the worst kind of Mayweather nuthugger would try to claim that Castillo's weight problems had no effect in the results of their fights.

Castillo did drain, that weakened him yes, BUT it also gave him around 15lb weight advantage in the ring. Obviously Castillo thought he was better sapping all the water out of his system, putting it back on in 24hours after the weigh in and picking on smaller men.

Are you going to apply the 'Castillo was drained line' when he fights Hatton? As it was obvious he was struggling to make weight days before the Ndoujo fight. I doubt that line of argument will come up then

Not sure why you are quoting me up there , that whole sentence about 'nuthuggin'(a word I never use) is not by me

[Roars Like Me]

Wasnt it his second at lightweight after Augustus

After Augustus he fought Corrales, Hernandes,Chavez respectively at SF and then his first fight was against Castillo at LW..
So 'No' in short!

Well technically it was his second at lightweight but that fight was hardly a warm up fight at a new weight for him

Still don't get ya? His first fight was a LW against castillo, that's all there is to it.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

After Augustus he fought Corrales, Hernandes,Chavez respectively at SF and then his first fight was against Castillo at LW..
So 'No' in short!

Well technically it was his second at lightweight but that fight was hardly a warm up fight at a new weight for him

Still don't get ya? His first fight was a LW against castillo, that's all there is to it.

He fought Augustus as a LW first

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000352

[jamesmcdonnell]

I don't wish to appear rude or overbearing, but you lack a grasp of the fundamentals of the boxing business. Belts don't mean a goddam thing if you are not a draw, they are ten a penny these days, and Hatton made more money with his WBU bauble in one fight, than Harris would have done with a his 'legit' belt in four. Junior Witter also has a title belt, but I don't see Cotto, Castillo, Corralles, or Mayweather clamouring for a big money fight with Witter, but his belt is no less prestigious than the one Hatton has.

Hatton doesn't even need a belt, neither for that matter does ANY marquee fighter these days. Morales, Barrera, Pacquaio have all engaged in Mega fights with one another, without any major belts on the line, and it didn't make a jot of difference to the PPV, the crowd or the anticipation beforehand. Manny doesn't have a world title belt to his name at all, but he's the hottest ticket in boxing right now, and is earning millions, why is that do you wonder?

And as I said, Emmanuel Steward himself said that he deliberately pulled the plug on the fight, because he thought that Hatton would beat his man, I mean, it's hardly on Steward's, or for that matter his fighters, own interests to make that up is it? The fight was all signed until Harris suddenly signed up with Steward as his manager as well as his trainer.

I spoke to someone from Main Events not long before this was happening, was it Gary Shaw back then, and he said that Vivain Harris had a hugely inflated sense of what he was worth and as a consequence getting him fights was very challenging.

Hatton didn't need real belts around the time of the Harris fight? Definately untrue, he was in desperate need of a real title, the Harris fight would be the 'Big One' after years of disapointment. The belt and the fact he was a top fighter would have made the fight more saleable to the US market at that time. Anyway whether Harris warranted purse parity is irrelevant, he didn't duck Hatton he simply asked for a better deal - he technically couldnt duck Hatton unless he gave his belt up to Hatton like Hatton did with his 3 belts.

Hatton doesn't fight big fights like Pacman/Barrera/Morales. And he still isn't at the level where he can sell big fights without a big belt - he fought 3 fringe fighters paying them way over they're worth just to have a belt round his waist. So saying Ricky doesn't need a belt and it doesn't help sell his fights is rubbish.

Fighters not needing belts - disagree they add to the value of a fight. Why else does DLH take on Mayorga for the WBC, Sturm for the WBO, Castellijo for the WBC? Why is barrera hanging on to his belts now and not paying sanctioning fees if he sees them as irrelevant?

It was actually surely Hamed did that started - fights without belts. And Barrera kept upto it for a short time until he got his hands back on some real belts. LETS NOT FORGET BARRERA WENT FOR EASY FIGHTS AFTER MORALES 2.

I haven't seen Stewarts statements and I'd like to see this - after keeping up with the news over the years I would have expected to hear this but maybe I didn't catch it. Even if he did make them it was him that avoided the fight and not Harris. Lets face it if hes going in with Mbaiye, Hurtado, Lazcano for small change hes not going to be scared off by Hatton for 750k.

You're delusional. How on earth was Harris the 'big one?'

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

You're delusional. How on earth was Harris the 'big one?'

Because up until the Tyszu fight Hatton was yet to fasce a top10 opponent and Harris was a champ and top5. I think certain Hatton fans, spinning everything to hype Ricky up are the real delusional ones.

[jamesmcdonnell]

wrong.

[jamesmcdonnell]

You're delusional. How on earth was Harris the 'big one?'

Because up until the Tyszu fight Hatton was yet to fasce a top10 opponent and Harris was a champ and top5. I think certain Hatton fans, spinning everything to hype Ricky up are the real delusional ones.

Tackie was in the top 10 when Hatton fought him. At the end of the day, Hatton fought Tszyu, who was definetly the man, end of.

I know you find it hard to accept the truth, but even Harris' own trainer/manager stated that they didn't want the fight. I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove it, I read it with my own eyes, as have others on this forum. You do the due dilligence and you will find that what I said is true. Perhaps you can accuse Manny Steward of lying?

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

wrong.

Who was top10? Phillips - not then,

Top10 looked something like:

Tyszu, Mayweather, Judah, Harris, Mitchell, Gatti, Cotto, Hatton, Witter, Corley

At the time you also have to rate Ukral, Mbaiye, Kotelnik, Ndou above the likes off shot Phillips, limited Tackie and Magee. good wins in impressive fashion no doubt but still a few levels below world class.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

You're delusional. How on earth was Harris the 'big one?'

Because up until the Tyszu fight Hatton was yet to fasce a top10 opponent and Harris was a champ and top5. I think certain Hatton fans, spinning everything to hype Ricky up are the real delusional ones.

Tackie was in the top 10 when Hatton fought him. At the end of the day, Hatton fought Tszyu, who was definetly the man, end of.

I know you find it hard to accept the truth, but even Harris' own trainer/manager stated that they didn't want the fight. I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove it, I read it with my own eyes, as have others on this forum. You do the due dilligence and you will find that what I said is true. Perhaps you can accuse Manny Steward of lying?

I'd like to read the interview. Didn't you read where I wrote 'even if Manny did try to price the fight out it doesn't mean Harris avoided him'? Warren made sure Hatton didn't take risks does that mean Ricky avoided - Witter, Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell, Judah, Corley - all fights Frank steered Ricky clear of

Hatton did beat Tyszu which was excellent BUT he hasn't proved himself the best by avoiding the likes of Mayweather, Cotto, Witter amongst others.

Tackie wasn't top 10 - Ndou beat Mitchell on most peoples score card, tackie lost every round to Mitchell. Its safe to say Tackie would have got outboxed and beat by the top15 140lbers at the time. he was good but never world class.

[Twinkle Toes]

PN,

From what I recall, Harris turned down a bumper 750,000 to fight Hatton - And as James has pointed out it was on the advice of Manny Steward who from what I rememebr wanted it to go to purse bids.

Either way, Harris ended up fighting Urkal for a paltry sum of money.

Draw your own conclusions from that, but it appears blatantly obvious to me.

Oh and dont be so sure on stating Phillips was shot, anyone who saw that fight against Hatton would know for a fact Phillips was far from shot and put in one hell of a brave performance - Unlike a certain 'chop chop' who visited these shores not too long ago.

Not only that, but Phillips was coming off a MD vs Mitchell and then went on to beat Pinto in 2005, who by the way your man Witter cried sick against, rather than face.

It is also easy to state that Tackie is limited...NOW, but at the time it was deemed a big fight for Hatton to take - Anyone who remembers will say the same thing.

[Razor]

blah blah blah Hatton would murder Harris anyway...