Boxrec Boxing Hall of Fame Ballot

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 29 Jan 2007, 13:39

Kid Lefty came up with this great idea of the BoxRec Boxing Hall of Fame. He ran it the first 3 elections and it was a lot of fun.

Since Kid Lefty has seemed to have disappeared, I will tabulate the votes this time.
The deadline for submitting your for this election is Noon CDT on February 15, 2007.
A brief summary of the rules:
A voter can vote for up to 25 names. (If you vote for more than 25 your entire vote won't count)
A fighter's last fight has to be before 1997 to be eligible.
You can change your vote. Your last vote before the deadline will be the one counted.

Candidates who are named on 75% or more of the ballots are inducted.
Go to the BoxRec Forum Hall of Fame Sticky for the complete rules and to see who has already been voted in.

To vote, just list your selections on this thread (don't put them on the Hall of Fame Sticky)
It would be appreciated if you list your names in alpabetical order.

In the past 3 elections, there has been a good variety of fighters elected. Hopefully, we can continue to include fighters from a wide variety of eras, weight classes, countries, styles of fighters, etc.

There has been a lot interest in doing more elections, so lets have some fun with this.

To get things started, here is my ballot:

Lou Ambers
Abe Attell
Nino Benevenuti
Tony Canzoneri
George Dixon
Joe Frazier
Gene Fullmer
Kid Gavilan
Wilfredo Gomez
Emile Griffith
Fighting Harada
James J. Jeffries
Harold Johnson
Johnny Kilbane
Sonny Liston
Jimmy McClarinin
Packy McFarland
Rueben Olivares
Aaron Pryor
Vincente Saldivar
Michael Spinks
John L. Sullivan
Dick Tiger
Freddie Welsh
Carlos Zarate

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 29 Jan 2007, 16:03

Good idea Alp, whatever comes of it, here's the 4th round ballot I had prepared last year.

LOU AMBERS
ABE ATTELL
JIMMY BARRY
PANAMA AL BROWN
MARCEL CERDAN
ANTONIO CERVANTES
KID CHOCOLATE
YOUNG CORBETT III
LES DARCY
JIM DRISCOLL
KHAOSAI GALAXY
TOMMY GIBBONS
WILFREDO GOMEZ
JAMES J JEFFRIES
JOHN HENRY LEWIS
KID McCOY
PACKEY McFARLAND
TERRY McGOVERN
JIMMY McLARNIN
PHILADELPHIA JACK O'BRIEN
CARLOS ORTIZ
PASCUAL PEREZ
TOMMY RYAN
PANCHO VILLA
CARLOS ZARATE

JC · Post by JC » 29 Jan 2007, 17:31

Here's mine apologies for any spelling mistakes.

Lou Ambers
Carmine Basillio
Charlie Burley
Toni Canzoneri
Marcel Cerdan
Kid Chocolate
Billy Conn
George Dixon
Johnny Dundee
Joe Frazier
Kid Gavilan
Emile Griffith
Fighting Hardrada
Jim Jefferies
Jake Lamotta
Sonny Liston
Danny Lopez
Packy MacFarland
Lloyd Marshall
Jimmy McClarinn
Ruben Olivares
Carlos Ortiz
Maxie Rosenbloom
Ike Williams
Fritzie Zivic

EDIT: Whittaker out Ortiz in, sorry Alp

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 31 Jan 2007, 06:52

Abe Attell
Jimmy Barry
Carmen Basilio
Wilfred Benitez
Jack Britton
Panama Al Brown
Tony Canzoneri
Kid Chocolate
Jim Corbett
"Nonpareil" Jack Dempsey
Joe Frazier
Wilfredo Gomez
Emile Griffith
Jim Jeffries
Johnny Kilbane
Jake LaMotta
Jack McAuliffe
Packey McFarland
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Floyd Patterson
Tommy Ryan
John L. Sullivan
Dick Tiger
"Barbados" Joe Walcott
Harry Wills

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 31 Jan 2007, 07:39

1 Nino Benvenuti
2 Jack Berg
3 Jack Britton
4 Panama Al Brown
5 Charley Burley
6 Tony Canzoneri
7 Marcel Cerdan
8 George Dixon
9 Tiger Flowers
10 Joe Frazier
11 Tommy Gibbons
12 Khaosai Galaxy
13 Emile Griffith
14 Fighting Harada
15 James Jeffries
16 Ted Kid Lewis
17 Sonny Liston
18 Tommy Loughran
19 Terry McGovern
20 Carlos Ortiz
21 Eusebio Pedroza
22 Tommy Ryan
23 Michael Spinks
24 Ike Williams
25 Carlos Zarate

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 31 Jan 2007, 09:55

J-C, Pernell Whitaker hasn't been retired long enough so far to be eligible. You don't have to do your whole ballot over. Just say who you you want to replace him with.

So far the voting has been very interesting.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 31 Jan 2007, 12:53

Here is my list. Btw I BADLY MISS BILLY CONN in the lists submitted so far. He should be a shoe-in.
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Lou Ambers
Carmen Basilio
Wilfred Benitez
Tony Canzoneri
Antonio Cervantes

Kid Chocolate
Billy Conn
James J. Corbett
Tiger Flowers
Joe Frazier

Kid Gavilan
Wilfredo Gomez
Jim Jeffries
Tommy Loughran
Sonny Liston

Packey McFarland
Kid Norfolk
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Aaron Pryor
Ruben Olivares

Carlos Ortiz
Michael Spinks
John L. Sullivan
Barbados Joe Walcott
Carlos Zarate

JC · Post by JC » 31 Jan 2007, 12:59

pundit wrote:Here is my list. Btw I BADLY MISS BILLY CONN in the lists submitted so far. He should be a shoe-in.

He's on my list if you check.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 31 Jan 2007, 13:00

J-C wrote:
pundit wrote:Here is my list. Btw I BADLY MISS BILLY CONN in the lists submitted so far. He should be a shoe-in.
He's on my list if you check.

Yes, you are the one exception.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Feb 2007, 11:22

Folks, keep this going.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 01 Feb 2007, 15:46

Replace Marcel Cerdan with Bert Gilroy.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 02 Feb 2007, 10:34

Can this thread be made sticky?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 02 Feb 2007, 10:53

Stickied it is.

Alp can we give this till Feb 15th? Just to see if we can get more participation?

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 02 Feb 2007, 13:10

Lou Ambers
Carmen Basillio
Wilfred Benitez
Tony Canzoneri
Kid Chocolate
Billy Conn
Jim Corbett
Les Darcy
Joe Frazier
Khaosai Galaxy
Kid Gavilan
Wilfredo Gomez
Joe Jeannette
Jim Jeffires
Jake LaMotta
Sonny Liston
Tommy Loughran
Carlos Ortiz
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Pryor
Michael Spinks
John L. Sullivan
Ike Williams
Harry Wills
Fritze Zivic

great to see this back up and running! Also, Im suprised to see only 2 votes for Wills so far. Wills went 13-2-1(1NC) against Langford and 2-0-1 vs Joe Jeannette.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 02 Feb 2007, 13:53

sockdollanger- Joe Gans has already been voted in. You can add someone else instead. You don't have to do the whole ballot over, just say who you want to replace Gans.

As per Boxbuzz's suggestion, the deadline will be now be Thursday, February 15, at Noon CDT.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 02 Feb 2007, 14:34

Lou Ambers
Abe Attell
Panama Al Brown
Kid Chocolate
James J Corbett
Jack Dempsey "Nonpareil"
George Dixon
Jim Driscoll
Kid Gavilan
Emille Griffith
Fighting Harada
Jim Jeffries
Johnny Kilbane
Kid McCoy
Terry McGovern
Jimmy McLarnin
Jack O’Brien
Ruben Olivares
Tommy Ryan
John L Sullivan
”Barbados" Joe Walcott
Carlos Zarate

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 02 Feb 2007, 17:58

Ambling Alp wrote:sockdollanger- Joe Gans has already been voted in. You can add someone else instead. You don't have to do the whole ballot over, just say who you want to replace Gans.

As per Boxbuzz's suggestion, the deadline will be now be Thursday, February 15, at Noon CDT.

Ahh, I did wonder why no one else had him in the list. Ill replace Gans with Joe Jeannette. Ill edit my list too, thanks for the heads up Alp!

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 02 Feb 2007, 18:33

Great to see people voting, but I can't hide my displeasure with the way some fighters were ignored so far. 3 votes for Packey McFarland ? The guy lost once in 110 fights, when he was 15 yrs old, and then went on the longest unbeaten streak in boxing history, with wins over very solid oppostion, plus he was on the canvas just twice during that streak. Jimmy McLarnin's not doing much better, and the guy beat more Hall of Famers than Sugar Ray Robinson or Harry Greb, and he did it in alot fewer fights. Panama Al Brown 17-1 in title fights and never stopped in a long career deserves more votes as well, AND just 2 for Kid McCoy and Tommy Gibbons ??? As Drederick Tatum would say "That's Unconscienable". And I guess Martin Sosa Cameron will be disappointed when he see's I'm the only one to cast a vote for Pascual Perez.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Feb 2007, 23:11

Seamus wrote:Great to see people voting, but I can't hide my displeasure with the way some fighters were ignored so far. 3 votes for Packey McFarland ? The guy lost once in 110 fights, when he was 15 yrs old, and then went on the longest unbeaten streak in boxing history, with wins over very solid oppostion, plus he was on the canvas just twice during that streak. Jimmy McLarnin's not doing much better, and the guy beat more Hall of Famers than Sugar Ray Robinson or Harry Greb, and he did it in alot fewer fights. Panama Al Brown 17-1 in title fights and never stopped in a long career deserves more votes as well, AND just 2 for Kid McCoy and Tommy Gibbons ??? As Drederick Tatum would say "That's Unconscienable". And I guess Martin Sosa Cameron will be disappointed when he see's I'm the only one to cast a vote for Pascual Perez.

There are still too many to choose from... I thought Billy Conn was a shoe-in for this round, but obviously he is not.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 04 Feb 2007, 11:58

You are definitely going to get differences of opinion when voting for fighters in all weight classes in a time span of over 100 years. Of course that makes it interesting!

The Great John L - You only chose 22 fighters. You can vote for up to 3 more if you would like.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 06 Feb 2007, 16:17

C'Mon guys !!! Expug, JAHamilton, Borinken, Elmer Salsa, Vagabundo, Collins, and anyone else I've forgotten. We need your picks.

JAHamilton77 · Post by **JAHamilton77** » 06 Feb 2007, 16:31

I will do my picks when I get home. Too much to do at work, getting up and down.

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 07 Feb 2007, 02:44

pundit wrote:
Seamus wrote:Great to see people voting, but I can't hide my displeasure with the way some fighters were ignored so far. 3 votes for Packey McFarland ? The guy lost once in 110 fights, when he was 15 yrs old, and then went on the longest unbeaten streak in boxing history, with wins over very solid oppostion, plus he was on the canvas just twice during that streak. Jimmy McLarnin's not doing much better, and the guy beat more Hall of Famers than Sugar Ray Robinson or Harry Greb, and he did it in alot fewer fights. Panama Al Brown 17-1 in title fights and never stopped in a long career deserves more votes as well, AND just 2 for Kid McCoy and Tommy Gibbons ??? As Drederick Tatum would say "That's Unconscienable". And I guess Martin Sosa Cameron will be disappointed when he see's I'm the only one to cast a vote for Pascual Perez.
There are still too many to choose from... I thought Billy Conn was a shoe-in for this round, but obviously he is not.

I have a feeling that Conn will get in on the next ballot. Conn was the last person I cut off of my ballot and I think it was the same way for a lot of people. He will definitely be on my list next time (unless, of course, no one on my list gets voted in this time).

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 07 Feb 2007, 05:36

An update on what we've got so far:

As of right now, 69 different fighters have accumulated at least 1 vote.

4 fighters would be inducted as of right now, with another half dozen or so barely missing the cut.

1 fighter has been on every ballot so far.

JAHamilton77 · Post by **JAHamilton77** » 07 Feb 2007, 09:34

almost have my list ready to post