HATTON-N'DOU on?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 04 Feb 2007, 06:24

Here we go, N'dou stopped Ben Rabah, who wouldn't come out for the 12th!

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 04 Feb 2007, 06:53

god im loving this, all of the hatton nut huggers have gone mysteriously very quiet.

talk about retrograde steps over the last few years.....now ricky has taken to fighting junior witters cast offs...

don't call it a comeback · Post by **don't call it a comeback** » 04 Feb 2007, 08:02

rhino222 wrote:god im loving this, all of the hatton nut huggers have gone mysteriously very quiet.

talk about retrograde steps over the last few years.....now ricky has taken to fighting junior witters cast offs...

That's if you believe everything you read.

I think people should look more carefully at what's happened. All Hatton has done is make some reassurance to the IBF that he will defend against his mandatory in order to prevent them making last nights fight a title fight.

Now he has a mandatory in N'dou he can offer step aside money too or the option of discarding the belt without being rushed into. The third option is of course that he fights N'dou but that is by no means his only option.

Castillo is still on.

OLD-LONDON-RULES · Post by **OLD-LONDON-RULES** » 04 Feb 2007, 08:14

don't call it a comeback wrote:
rhino222 wrote:god im loving this, all of the hatton nut huggers have gone mysteriously very quiet.

talk about retrograde steps over the last few years.....now ricky has taken to fighting junior witters cast offs...
That's if you believe everything you read.

I think people should look more carefully at what's happened. All Hatton has done is make some reassurance to the IBF that he will defend against his mandatory in order to prevent them making last nights fight a title fight.

Now he has a mandatory in N'dou he can offer step aside money too or the option of discarding the belt without being rushed into. The third option is of course that he fights N'dou but that is by no means his only option.

Castillo is still on.

The only reason team fatton will now opt for the Castillo fight is because they didn't expect N'dou to win!....and never in a million years will they chance fighting someone that Jnr Witter beat so convincingly now that Fatton is past his sell by date.

don't call it a comeback · Post by **don't call it a comeback** » 04 Feb 2007, 08:40

OLD-LONDON-RULES wrote:
don't call it a comeback wrote:
rhino222 wrote:god im loving this, all of the hatton nut huggers have gone mysteriously very quiet.

talk about retrograde steps over the last few years.....now ricky has taken to fighting junior witters cast offs...
That's if you believe everything you read.

I think people should look more carefully at what's happened. All Hatton has done is make some reassurance to the IBF that he will defend against his mandatory in order to prevent them making last nights fight a title fight.

Now he has a mandatory in N'dou he can offer step aside money too or the option of discarding the belt without being rushed into. The third option is of course that he fights N'dou but that is by no means his only option.

Castillo is still on.
The only reason team fatton will now opt for the Castillo fight is because they didn't expect N'dou to win!....and never in a million years will they chance fighting someone that Jnr Witter beat so convincingly now that Fatton is past his sell by date.

do fuc off

OLD-LONDON-RULES · Post by **OLD-LONDON-RULES** » 04 Feb 2007, 09:08

don't call it a comeback wrote:
OLD-LONDON-RULES wrote:
don't call it a comeback wrote: That's if you believe everything you read.

I think people should look more carefully at what's happened. All Hatton has done is make some reassurance to the IBF that he will defend against his mandatory in order to prevent them making last nights fight a title fight.

Now he has a mandatory in N'dou he can offer step aside money too or the option of discarding the belt without being rushed into. The third option is of course that he fights N'dou but that is by no means his only option.

Castillo is still on.
The only reason team fatton will now opt for the Castillo fight is because they didn't expect N'dou to win!....and never in a million years will they chance fighting someone that Jnr Witter beat so convincingly now that Fatton is past his sell by date.
do fuc off

Can't argue with that can ya?

BTW, i won't call it a comeback because you were never sh!t in the first place.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 04 Feb 2007, 09:22

Hattons a joke, simple as that...

Macanuff · Post by **Macanuff** » 04 Feb 2007, 10:53

WOWwwww
Someone knows what there on about for a change
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bang on it

te="OLD-LONDON-RULES"]

don't call it a comeback wrote:
rhino222 wrote:god im loving this, all of the hatton nut huggers have gone mysteriously very quiet.

talk about retrograde steps over the last few years.....now ricky has taken to fighting junior witters cast offs...
That's if you believe everything you read.

I think people should look more carefully at what's happened. All Hatton has done is make some reassurance to the IBF that he will defend against his mandatory in order to prevent them making last nights fight a title fight.

Now he has a mandatory in N'dou he can offer step aside money too or the option of discarding the belt without being rushed into. The third option is of course that he fights N'dou but that is by no means his only option.

Castillo is still on.

The only reason team fatton will now opt for the Castillo fight is because they didn't expect N'dou to win!....and never in a million years will they chance fighting someone that Jnr Witter beat so convincingly now that Fatton is past his sell by date.[/quote]

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 04 Feb 2007, 20:34

Even for people accustomed and cool with Hatton's M.O. ... N'Dou... wow.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Feb 2007, 06:34

Shall we wait and see what happens when they actually announce an opponent.

As they haven't stripped Hatton, I think it likely there will be a step aside fee and Hatton fights Castillo.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 05 Feb 2007, 06:46

If this fight actually happens will it be that bad? Ndou arguably beat Mitchell, took Cotto to the line (did he break Cottos ribs?), took 5 rounds off Witter despite been down twice and has just beat Rabah. He also brings an action packed style with a fantastic workrate. He also has a slim chance of victory.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Feb 2007, 06:55

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Shall we wait and see what happens when they actually announce an opponent.

As they haven't stripped Hatton, I think it likely there will be a step aside fee and Hatton fights Castillo.

I don't know. The IBF are obsessive strippers. They've 'dethroned' some fine champions like JM Marquez (in favor of Rakkeitgym/Perrera, passed on embarrassingly from Perrera to Eric 'Mighty Mouse' Aiken, then 'Ghost' Guerrero, Orlando Salido, whom Marquez easily beat already and who tested positive for steroids - disaster!).

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Feb 2007, 07:49

Precisely, the IBF just want to maximise their sanctioning fees.

However, this being the case, they stand to make a hell of a lot more money with Hatton or Castillo as IBF champ. If Hatton turns around and dumps the belt because they try to force him to fight N'dou instead of Castillo, who loses out, not Hatton, not Castillo and not HBO, they won't sell any less PPV's without a belt on the line, because truly, nobody gives a shite any more.

HBO can just sell it as being for the ring belt, and everyone's happy.

Kind of makes you wonder why Hatton bothered his arse winning the belt back in the first place, it's just a bloody millstone these days anyway.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Feb 2007, 08:24

It is disappointing if Hatton-Castillo gets put on hold, because the last show was a semi final thing. Hatton obviously wants to keep his belt. He also has to keep IBF and HBO happy. But one will have to wait.

If we don't get Hatton-Castillo I think we should all get upset.

If he did get N'dou next (which Terence makes a good case might not even be the case), he'd merely owe HBO a fight later in the year, right?

I think it's interesting that N'dou won. None of us seemed to see this happening. That makes him a legit contender, not just a journeyman, and it thankfully took that bloody runner Rabah out the equation.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Feb 2007, 08:39

Well, I actually think if Jose Luis Castillo can fight Witter - then the winner of Castillo vs Witter and Hatton vs Ndou will have an even bigger winter fight.

Yes, I am dissapointed - but for me that would be the ideal scenerio even before this latest mess was declared. I don't see Castillo vs Hatton as a true super fight untill Castillo really proves that he still has it at pushing 34 and at a new weight. If Witter wins then he arrives globally.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 05 Feb 2007, 08:42

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:If this fight actually happens will it be that bad? Ndou arguably beat Mitchell, took Cotto to the line (did he break Cottos ribs?), took 5 rounds off Witter despite been down twice and has just beat Rabah. He also brings an action packed style with a fantastic workrate. He also has a slim chance of victory.

I see your point PN, but considering Hatton's body is arguably facing more and more wear and tear each time he fights (due mostly to bad lifestyle) we need the big fights now. Ndou isn't a big fight, James is right, belts are simply a millstone. The best fighters don't hold belts for very long these days, HBO seem to have grasped the idea that a good fight doesn't need a belt on the line which is a step forward. Plus when there isn't a belt on the line some cretinous organisation usually dives in where they see a gap for themselves in any case...wasn't it Tarver V Johnson where only the vacant IBO belt was on the line for goodness sake?

Anyway i digress, considering when Hatton left Frank and his merry men the talk was of Mayweather, Cotto etc we could be excused for thinking that the Ndou's of this world were left firmly behind and superfights were going to be the order of the day.

Hatton V Castillo next please!

G-man · Post by **G-man** » 05 Feb 2007, 09:11

Rick's been on SkySports News this morning saying it's defo Castillo in June and if he has to vacate then so be it.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 06 Feb 2007, 05:25

N'dou would be a dangerous opponent for Hatton at this stage of his career. 2 years ago Hatton would have won by a shut-out decision, but hes deteriorated badly in his last 2 fights. N'dou is a tough customer and quite awkward, I could see Ricky running out of gas down the stretch and getting stopped by N'dou

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 06 Feb 2007, 06:50

Hatton N'dou isn't really an acceptable match for Hatton at this point in his career.

But up there in between the Witter fans ranting, dont call it a comeback posted a very good point and that seems to be the more likely scenario to me.

Top Dog · Post by **Top Dog** » 06 Feb 2007, 07:24

The Castillo fight is over-rated anyway, he looked fairly average in his last fight, he's on the slide. Ricky on the slide v Castillo on the slide, mmmm, I would rather see Ndou. Theyre just hyping it up cause both are on their way out, looking for a couple of big pay days

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 06 Feb 2007, 07:40

You'd rather watch Hatton Vs N'Dou?

I agree with what you're saying about Castillo being on the slide but I would much rather watch Hatton fight Castillo than N'Dou - Anyway, N'Dou isnt exactly a spring chicken either.

Don't let a win over Rabah suggest N'dou is suddenly an elite fighter, because Rabah is far from being a world class fighter himself - He's been very fortunate that the IBF have given him two eliminators and a title shot in his last three fights.

Other than a win over the dependable Morua, Rabah has nothing of note on his record.

So while the Castillo fight may be overated, it's certainly a fair few levels above what a possible N'Dou fight is.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 06 Feb 2007, 12:10

Hatton is a joke? Sorry thats funny in itself.

I have been very forward in my disgust at Hatton fighting Urango, indeed Hattons opponents post Tszyu. However, from a business point of view I could see logic in Maussa and Collazo - although not necessarily as a sequential series of fights. If Hatton wanted to unify the Light Welter, then it was best to get hold of Maussa before some one else did and get him nice and early - Hatton did, job done. I was a little annoyed that Hatton did keep both titles and try and unify - especially as Cotto was still a 140 lbs fighter. However, he wanted to test the water at 147 (no harm in that) and again I thought Collazo was a wise choice - it gave him some more cred Stateside (had he performed) a title and geniune claims (had he done a number) for being the #1 147 lbs fighter. It didn't work, so he went back down - no qualms.

However, I was disgusted that he would face the same level of fighter, with the same credibility that he REFUSED to fight before - that he would rather be stripped off than face. Moving back down was fine, but it shouldn't have been about the titles - his FIRST fight back at 140 should have been vs the likes of Castillo, Corrales, Witter, even Lazcano, Harris, Freitas, Kid Diamond etc - not Urango... complete waste IMO.

Having said that, to call Hatton a joke is plain rediculous. The guy is already assured a place in history as one of the finest fighters this country has produced. He is an all time great Britain. He could have easily retired (financially) after Tszyu a hero and place in British boxing folklore assured. He's not beaten the best of option since Tszyu, but they have been okay and in his 140 fights he's hardly lost a round. Yet, now he is a joke.

I have been very critical of Naseem Hamed title reign - where were the Morales', Espinosa's, Norwood's, Marquez's, Gainer's, hell even Tapia, Ayalia, Bones Adams etc - let alone fighters north of 126 that were mooted (Freitas, Nelson even De La Hoya!) - the MAJORITY of Hamed's title defences were of Maussa, Urango, Collazo standard possibly below - only Medina, Johnson (who didn't have much left), Kelley and maybe Robinson (who didn't have much left) were a bit higher (too soon for Ingle, McCullough was no feather and Vasquez was finished). The Kostya esque acid test that faced Hamed - he ended up with egg on his face. However, would I ever call Hamed a joke.... no chance, I have the utmost respect for what he achieved and he has too go down as a British all time great.

Yet Hatton is this joke that is killing the game in this country. Your having a laugh. Sure, be critical of his opponents - but a joke he isn't.

OLD-LONDON-RULES · Post by **OLD-LONDON-RULES** » 06 Feb 2007, 13:01

stujones wrote:Hatton is a joke? Sorry thats funny in itself.

the MAJORITY of Hamed's title defences were of Maussa, Urango, Collazo standard possibly below - only Medina, Johnson (who didn't have much left), Kelley and maybe Robinson (who didn't have much left) were a bit higher (too soon for Ingle, McCullough was no feather and Vasquez was finished). The Kostya esque acid test that faced Hamed - he ended up with egg on his face. However, would I ever call Hamed a joke.... no chance, I have the utmost respect for what he achieved and he has too go down as a British all time great.

Yet Hatton is this joke that is killing the game in this country. Your having a laugh. Sure, be critical of his opponents - but a joke he isn't.

Yes and YOUR the joke aswell, and a fackin idiot to boot... Hamed was knocking Mf'ers OUT in thrillers unlike Fattons hit & hug,hit & hug bullsheet.

Also Hamed cleaned out everything in Europe and more importantly Britian, unlike Fatton who is probably not even the best in the UK.

T055ER!

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 06 Feb 2007, 13:39

So lets get this right Simpsons,

Kostya vs Hatton - 2005 - Generally regarded as won of the fights of the year.
Hatton vs Maussa - 2005 - Sky's Ko of the year.
Hatton vs Collazo - 2006 - One of the fights of the year.
Hatton vs Urango - 2007 - Stinker yes, but please lets not compare Hatton and Witter in terms of excitement value.

Hardly boring bullshit there.

Hamed had some stinkers also, but hey - I didn't critise Hamed, all I said was his opponents were comparable. Did Hamed prove himself to be the best in the UK, Michael Brodie might think he was worthy of a shot.

For that matter Hamed had some stinkers also - remember the great Cesar Soto fight, oh and McCullough vs Hamed was a thrill a minute.

Witter for years hasn't PROVED himself the second best in the UK - good case for many of the Hatton/Witter years for Eamonn Magee to. Indeed why bring Witter into the argument, he wasn't in my post at all. I don't think people will say "oh Floyd didn't prove himself the best in the states, he never fought Vivien Harris". Kostya was THE MAN, and Hatton not Witter beat him.

Wrists · Post by **Wrists** » 08 Feb 2007, 14:36

Interesting one this.

For me Naz's resume is criminally under rated because people choose to take the easy road and criticise because of the Barrera fight and also because of his antics since then.

Ricky - I have the ultimate respect for, great guy, no frills, straight up and he gave us Brits one their best nights when he beat Kosta, but for me the quality of opponent in comparison to Naz (Tyszu aside) is not up to the mark.

Naz fought, beat and KO'd the vast majority of the following:

Kevin Kelley - 1 defeat in 50 going in good Ko ratio and Naz despite having bad moments sparked him inside 4 rounds.

Tom Johnson - at the time universally rated as the best feather in the world, Ring Magazine (who the majority seem to think have the best ratings) had Boom Boom at No.1, what happened Naz KO'd in 8

Wilfredo Vasquez - again universally rated as top 3/4 feather at the time, Naz KO 7, I will accept the argument that he was past his best, still a good win nonetheless

Paul Ingle - unbeaten hungry fighter on the up, Naz apart from 2 shaky rounds (9 & 10) dominated the fight with 3 knockdowns and a lovely 1 shot KO

Manuel Medina - still relatively in his prime, KO'd in 11 with Naz suffering from a cold, not an excuse you could hear it in the post fight interview.

Augie Sanchez - before you all scoff, this guy was a huge puncher who (if you visited Kronk Gym website) Manny Steward said was a big threat 12 months prior to this fight happening, result clean, brutal KO in 4

Bungu - before the fight everyone said 'ooh tough test' , 'never been stopped' - result thanks for coming NAZ KO 4.

Ok ok I may have been a tad one sided but to me Naz's dance card, Kelley, Medina, Johnson, Bungu, Robinson, Badillo, Ingle, McCullough, Belcastro (remember this was Naz's 12th pro fight) is much better than Tackie, Oliveria, Phillips, Stewart, Maussa, Collazo

Of course the one undisputable fact is that Naz twatted up his big test against MAB whereas Ricky stepped up. The question is does one fight make someone's legacy? No.

People on here too often overlook the fact that Naz bragged a bit and was a bit of a tool whereas good old Ricky enters shit shirt competitions and likes drinking in the local etc etc etc and use that as justificatio for his career whereas Naz likes the porsches, was a bit big headed therefore is the devil incarnate.

If this is judged on career alone for me Naz proved more than Ricky (so far).

If Ricky beats Castillo convinceingly (comparable to Kevin kelley, good record in his 30s) then FIGHTS a Cotto or a Mayweather than thats good enough for me

Ricky is not a joke but lets not forget Hamed who put more bums on seats and created more new boxing fans than any british boxer ever

Regards

Wrists