lol, I said that :PEven on these 70 year old films Baers charisma comes over very clear,as someone else said "if he was around now he would make millions"
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[quote="icejack"]Great stuff Cat! Ill show that clip to my mum and dad,should bring back good memories for them,I noticed a lot of those news clips were British,that explains how someone like my mum would have heard of Max!
Watched the Galento fight again ,great! you can see them talking to each other ,in the last round Baer hits Galento with a murderous body shot and Galentos face says it all! Tough guy Galento though,he was so slow and wide open he had to be! Another point ,if you watch Baers attitude in these clips between rounds and after the fights you will see a good sportsman with some compassion for the fighter he has just hit/knocked out ect.Even on these 70 year old films Baers charisma comes over very clear,as someone else said "if he was around now he would make millions"[/quote]
Hey Ice,
I mention on my website how much the British loved Max when he was there in 1937. Max loved how British fight fans would cheer both the winner and the loser of a bout. I recently found an article where Max states he was thinking of opening a pub in downtown London. I'm going to put it on my site, but once I get it written up I'll post it here for you.
I love the Baer-Galento fight just because they despised each other. At one point you can see Baer just swearing a blue streak at Tony, a big snear on his face and the announcer tones it by saying "and Max is calling Tony a big bum too."
The fact that Max would go up and hug the fighters, even after he lost, and just hang against the ropes chatting was something I really admired. I was watching some Dempsey fights during the days before the neutral corner rule when Dempsey would being hovering like a vulture, waiting for his opponents knees to come up off the canvas, then belting him back down again. But as soon as Dempsey was declared the winner, time and again he would grab his opponent around the waist and help him to his feet. Class, eh ?!
Regards,
Cat
Watched the Galento fight again ,great! you can see them talking to each other ,in the last round Baer hits Galento with a murderous body shot and Galentos face says it all! Tough guy Galento though,he was so slow and wide open he had to be! Another point ,if you watch Baers attitude in these clips between rounds and after the fights you will see a good sportsman with some compassion for the fighter he has just hit/knocked out ect.Even on these 70 year old films Baers charisma comes over very clear,as someone else said "if he was around now he would make millions"[/quote]
Hey Ice,
I mention on my website how much the British loved Max when he was there in 1937. Max loved how British fight fans would cheer both the winner and the loser of a bout. I recently found an article where Max states he was thinking of opening a pub in downtown London. I'm going to put it on my site, but once I get it written up I'll post it here for you.
I love the Baer-Galento fight just because they despised each other. At one point you can see Baer just swearing a blue streak at Tony, a big snear on his face and the announcer tones it by saying "and Max is calling Tony a big bum too."
The fact that Max would go up and hug the fighters, even after he lost, and just hang against the ropes chatting was something I really admired. I was watching some Dempsey fights during the days before the neutral corner rule when Dempsey would being hovering like a vulture, waiting for his opponents knees to come up off the canvas, then belting him back down again. But as soon as Dempsey was declared the winner, time and again he would grab his opponent around the waist and help him to his feet. Class, eh ?!
Regards,
Cat
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Re: ESPN Ringside
[quote="Brutu"]Maybe that should consider doing a show on Max Baer on ESPN Ringside.
Im getting a little tired of seeing the Thrilla in Manilla and the Rumble in the Jungle and all the various fights betwwen Ali,Foreman and Frazier
in fantum.[/quote]
I agree Brutu ! If I see one more tribute to Ali (ya ya he turned 60 recently, okay okay) or the rest of the 70s crew I'm gonna start throwing things. I'm even tired of the Walcott/Marciano bout ! I noticed they show all the old classic fights at 1-4am and have written several e-mails asking that they show them say on a "Classic Saturday Fight Night" or something.
Is ESPN Ringside a fairly new series ? I watch the "Who's Number 1 ?" series alot and they had the "Heavyweight Punchers" documentary and tonight has "Kings of the Ring", but I do like the "Ringside" stuff.
Maybe we should start an e-mail campaign on here by posting a thread ????
Regards,
Cat
Im getting a little tired of seeing the Thrilla in Manilla and the Rumble in the Jungle and all the various fights betwwen Ali,Foreman and Frazier
in fantum.[/quote]
I agree Brutu ! If I see one more tribute to Ali (ya ya he turned 60 recently, okay okay) or the rest of the 70s crew I'm gonna start throwing things. I'm even tired of the Walcott/Marciano bout ! I noticed they show all the old classic fights at 1-4am and have written several e-mails asking that they show them say on a "Classic Saturday Fight Night" or something.
Is ESPN Ringside a fairly new series ? I watch the "Who's Number 1 ?" series alot and they had the "Heavyweight Punchers" documentary and tonight has "Kings of the Ring", but I do like the "Ringside" stuff.
Maybe we should start an e-mail campaign on here by posting a thread ????
Regards,
Cat
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I must note this of Max Baer, as I was bored last night and listened to the 1967 Murray Woroner 'All-Time Heavyweight' tournament, and during the 'hypothetical' match up between Marciano and Baer, many 'experts' were asked to give opinions on both men, on Baer here is what a few said:
Joe Louis- 'He would have been the greatest of us all had he been a bit more serious'
Nat Fliescher- 'Max Baer could have been the greatest of all time, but he did more Playboy antics than boxing. Possibly the hardest hitting man to ever walk into a ring'
I am taking what was said from memory, when I get to listening to the broadcast again, I'll try and write down word for word what was exactly said; but both Louis and Fliescher did say the comments I wrote to an effect like I have written.
Joe Louis- 'He would have been the greatest of us all had he been a bit more serious'
Nat Fliescher- 'Max Baer could have been the greatest of all time, but he did more Playboy antics than boxing. Possibly the hardest hitting man to ever walk into a ring'
I am taking what was said from memory, when I get to listening to the broadcast again, I'll try and write down word for word what was exactly said; but both Louis and Fliescher did say the comments I wrote to an effect like I have written.
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Hey Irish,
That's how as a kid in the 70s I learned about Max Baer. The commentators would always make these "what if" statements about him. If only he'd trained seriously, if only he'd stopped clowning in the ring, if only, if only.
I've read newspaper articles spanning his entire boxing career and you can sense the frustration among the press. After the Louis bout, almost all of the press turned on him, though those who enjoyed his antics still wrote well of him. Those in the public who didn't like him, didn't because they felt he didn't hold the status of his position seriously enough. That he should be more respectful of his title, etc.
I was watching the Baer-Louis bout last night (finally got the ENTIRE fight and am gonna put it on my site tonight !) and when they announced his name, he took a bow to a huge wave of cheers and applause. Out loud, I said "SEE, SEE, THEY LOVED HIM !"
I can see the purists being irritated with him, but for pure showmanship he was a pleasure !
Regards,
Cat
That's how as a kid in the 70s I learned about Max Baer. The commentators would always make these "what if" statements about him. If only he'd trained seriously, if only he'd stopped clowning in the ring, if only, if only.
I've read newspaper articles spanning his entire boxing career and you can sense the frustration among the press. After the Louis bout, almost all of the press turned on him, though those who enjoyed his antics still wrote well of him. Those in the public who didn't like him, didn't because they felt he didn't hold the status of his position seriously enough. That he should be more respectful of his title, etc.
I was watching the Baer-Louis bout last night (finally got the ENTIRE fight and am gonna put it on my site tonight !) and when they announced his name, he took a bow to a huge wave of cheers and applause. Out loud, I said "SEE, SEE, THEY LOVED HIM !"
I can see the purists being irritated with him, but for pure showmanship he was a pleasure !
Regards,
Cat
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HomicideHenry
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I always held Max Baer on a higher pedestal than most have. Yes there is that frustration of 'what if?' about him, but then again, Baer with his lovable smile and infectious laugh, he all but made up for his losses. What he didn't accomplish ring wise, he got back two fold as an entertainer.
In many ways I considered Max Baer to be alot like Muhammad Ali, for being entertaining. Ali would do his rhymes and trash talk, while Baer would do mock gestures at his opponents and would sing, make jokes, during, after and before his fights. Could you imagine how big an Ali-Baer fight would have been? The multi-millions those two could have generated just from their showmanship? It would be off the charts.
I have some clips of Baer before his fight with Carnera, with his brother Buddy in a mock ballad at Carnera, which went along the lines of:
'Carnera take care....Carnera beware...Baer is near...so go slow....'
With Baer laughing his head off afterwards. Also have a film clip with him and Jack Dempsey before the fight and Baer said:
'I cant say that this will be as great as the Dempsey Willard fight, but somehow my female inuition tells me I'm going to win!' and then he burst out laughing.
Truly a fun loving guy.
In many ways I considered Max Baer to be alot like Muhammad Ali, for being entertaining. Ali would do his rhymes and trash talk, while Baer would do mock gestures at his opponents and would sing, make jokes, during, after and before his fights. Could you imagine how big an Ali-Baer fight would have been? The multi-millions those two could have generated just from their showmanship? It would be off the charts.
I have some clips of Baer before his fight with Carnera, with his brother Buddy in a mock ballad at Carnera, which went along the lines of:
'Carnera take care....Carnera beware...Baer is near...so go slow....'
With Baer laughing his head off afterwards. Also have a film clip with him and Jack Dempsey before the fight and Baer said:
'I cant say that this will be as great as the Dempsey Willard fight, but somehow my female inuition tells me I'm going to win!' and then he burst out laughing.
Truly a fun loving guy.
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Spoken like a true fan Irish, I'm wearing a big grin !
WAS THAT WHAT THEY WERE SINGING !!? I have that clip, from that ESPN Classic documentary. That's going up on the site too, but I never knew the words !! I laugh every time Max says 'Yowza' at the end. I honestly didn't know that word was used back in the 30s !
Yep same film when the off camera guy is giving his body measurements and then he chats with Dempsey and does that mock female swooning thing at the end. Gawd that big guffaw laugh of his is a kick.
I would give my left elbow to find the people who have all those interviews and be able to buy the entire thing. Cuz you know there was more to see.
I have one on my site where Max is supposedly digging a hole, dirt flying, then a bell rings and he says, "oh boy the dinner bell" and heaves himself out of the hole and both he and the press are just laughing hysterically.
That's why I could never understand why the press turned on him so viciously. He entertained them so well out of the ring and probably gave them gifts and stuff but they just shit on him and made fun of him in the end.
Catcha later,
Cat
WAS THAT WHAT THEY WERE SINGING !!? I have that clip, from that ESPN Classic documentary. That's going up on the site too, but I never knew the words !! I laugh every time Max says 'Yowza' at the end. I honestly didn't know that word was used back in the 30s !
Yep same film when the off camera guy is giving his body measurements and then he chats with Dempsey and does that mock female swooning thing at the end. Gawd that big guffaw laugh of his is a kick.
I would give my left elbow to find the people who have all those interviews and be able to buy the entire thing. Cuz you know there was more to see.
I have one on my site where Max is supposedly digging a hole, dirt flying, then a bell rings and he says, "oh boy the dinner bell" and heaves himself out of the hole and both he and the press are just laughing hysterically.
That's why I could never understand why the press turned on him so viciously. He entertained them so well out of the ring and probably gave them gifts and stuff but they just shit on him and made fun of him in the end.
Catcha later,
Cat
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Max Baer... gracious
One photograph that always impressed me that should be posted(if it isnt already)Is the photograph of Max Baer warmly congradulating
Welsh Heavyweight Tommy Farr in the ring after Max Baer lost the descison(and probably a shot at the heavyweight title again against Joe Louis.)They both looked battered Max Baer is smiling broadly but Farr looks like the worst for wear.
This photo appears on page 72 of THE GREAT BOOK OF BOXING(1987 edition) by H. Mullan
Welsh Heavyweight Tommy Farr in the ring after Max Baer lost the descison(and probably a shot at the heavyweight title again against Joe Louis.)They both looked battered Max Baer is smiling broadly but Farr looks like the worst for wear.
This photo appears on page 72 of THE GREAT BOOK OF BOXING(1987 edition) by H. Mullan
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Tommy Farr a couple of weeks before that Baer fight sparring with the 'evergreen' (as he was often referred to), 'Ginger' Sadd.
Tommy Farr a couple of weeks before that Baer fight sparring with the 'evergreen' (as he was often referred to), 'Ginger' Sadd.