Johansson 1959 vs. Quarry 1968

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 05 Feb 2007, 14:17

A peak undefeated Johansson vs a 24 year old Jerry Quarry both at 195 lbs.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 05 Feb 2007, 15:21

Hmmm, this is a very interesting matchup, because while I think Quarry was a better all around fighter, Ingo is generally under-rated these days. Having said that, I still think I’d go with Quarry, either by a very close decision, or a late round stoppage. Either way, it’s a very tough fight with Ingo doing quite well early, but Quarry rallying late to just pull out a close one.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 05 Feb 2007, 17:23

I think for a few rounds this would have been a tough one, a wild brawl, one of those fights many HW fans wish to see but rarely do. I like Quarry in this one though; fought better opposition, had two fisted power, tough as nails. Only draw back to Quarry was that he cut easy and his chin wasn't built to really take massive power (Norton, Frazier showed this).

Johansson was willing and game, but all he had was a right hand. He could take some good shots too. Outside of the Machen fight and Patterson fights Johansson, to me anyways, always seemed to fit in the category of the European fighters, just his power made the difference.

I think Quarry would be shaken up, but then again Quarry went up against power hitters like Mac Foster and weathered the storm only to knock him out inside of six rounds or so. Johansson had power, but very lil ring science, Quarry threw better combinations---very determined man.

I see Quarry blasting out Johansson inside of 6 rounds. Wouldn't go any further than that, I can't really invision two hard hitting men like that who were always willing to mix it up last that long in a fight in terms of rounds. It would be almost a mirror image of the Patterson-Ingo fights.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 05 Feb 2007, 19:36

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Only draw back to Quarry was that he cut easy and his chin wasn't built to really take massive power (Norton, Frazier showed this).

Please explain exactly how the Norton-Quarry and Quarry-Frazier fights showed that Quarry's chin "wasn't built to take massive power"? Have you even seen those fights?

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 05 Feb 2007, 21:54

Quarry could take power, but not a great volume of punches. Norton was fast and really strong, threw alot of combinations. Frazier was really strong and never stopped throwing punches. Quarry could take a good shot, he stopped Shavers, Foster and other good punching fighters, but they didnt' throw the punches in as great a volume as Frazier-Norton did.

Quarry couldn't regroup with those guys, they just kept on him. With slower guys he had the chance to regroup and get his shots in.

john2345 · Post by **john2345** » 06 Feb 2007, 07:45

For me - at his best - Quarry wins this one - better all round skills and movement than Ingo.

J

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 06 Feb 2007, 11:33

The Johansson of 1959 was a confident, huge puncher with good speed.
He was the better hitter to be sure. He stopped Cooper in 5 in 57, Machen in 1 in 58, & Patterson in 3 in 59. Quarry's resume was not as good. He lost to Machen in 66, drew with & won a decision over Patterson in 67. In the elimination tournament he beat Spencer & lost to Ellis. Stamina was an issue for both. I think Ingo of 59 might have stopped Quarry, perhaps on cuts. Johannson at his best was better, but his best wasn't sustained for long. After he lost to Patterson he was never the same. Quarry on the other hand was the more dedicated of the two. I like Ingo in 59. I wouldn't however in 61 , 62, or 63.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 06 Feb 2007, 15:25

Quarry had an outstanding left hook.
I see him stopping Ingo with it.
Ouarry would bring the fight on the inside and I think Ingo would have some trouble with that.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 06 Feb 2007, 21:50

I disagree with whoever said Ingo was better than Quarry. I only say this because the Quarry who fought Ali, Frazier and Norton was far more better all around, especially in the toughness department, than the Patterson Ingo fought three times---in my opinion Patterson was a far better fighter AFTER he lost the title to Sonny Liston.

tagjohnson · Post by **tagjohnson** » 07 Feb 2007, 16:17

This is a no-brainer. No way does Johansson hurt Quarry. If Frazier, Norton, Ali, Lyle, Shavers, Foster, etc., couldn't kayo him neither does Ingo. Always a chance on Jerry losing on cuts of course but other wise Quarry steamrollers Ingo.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 08 Feb 2007, 07:35

tagjohnson wrote:This is a no-brainer. No way does Johansson hurt Quarry. If Frazier, Norton, Ali, Lyle, Shavers, Foster, etc., couldn't kayo him neither does Ingo. Always a chance on Jerry losing on cuts of course but other wise Quarry steamrollers Ingo.

Believe it, Johansson could hurt Quarry. He may have had weaknesses, but right hand punching power wasn't one of them.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 08 Feb 2007, 13:26

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:I disagree with whoever said Ingo was better than Quarry. I only say this because the Quarry who fought Ali, Frazier and Norton was far more better all around, especially in the toughness department, than the Patterson Ingo fought three times---in my opinion Patterson was a far better fighter AFTER he lost the title to Sonny Liston.

I surmise you meant to say the Ingo Patterson fought 3 times.
I said Ingo was superior at his best. Why? He stopped a prime Machen in a heat & Floyd in 3. In 66 a very faded Machen beat Quarry & in 67, & let's be honest, split a pair with Floyd, who was not as fast as he once had been, though still good. I grant you Quarry could take it better, but Ingo could get you out of their in a hurry. If they had fought prime on prime Ingo could have ko'd Quarry. No sure thing, but very possible.

boxpope · Post by **boxpope** » 08 Feb 2007, 17:55

I'll go with Johansson (late rounds k.o.).