British P 4 P Rankings
British P 4 P Rankings
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please call me chris,
i have seen ukboxingpress ranking before but cant remember them,
here are mine
lennox
calzaghe
brodie
hatton
scott harrison
takaloo
eastman
clinton woods
alex arthur
brian magee
mine are something like that, people will probably wont agree but i do rate brodie
i have seen ukboxingpress ranking before but cant remember them,
here are mine
lennox
calzaghe
brodie
hatton
scott harrison
takaloo
eastman
clinton woods
alex arthur
brian magee
mine are something like that, people will probably wont agree but i do rate brodie
Last edited by REAL_DEAL on 29 Aug 2003, 15:45, edited 2 times in total.
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I did some for British Eastside a couple of months ago...
But here is my personal list
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Howard Eastman
4. Michael Brodie
5. Ricky Hatton
6. Clinton Woods
7. Scott Harrison
8. Johnny Nelson
9. Jawaid Khaliq
10. James Hare
* I haven't included Naseem Hamed as I consider him retired
The last two fighters are new arrivals on my list...due to the good level of opposition they have been facing of late. Junior Witter has vacated the top 10, at least until we see who he is facing on Sept 27.
Scott Harrison drops from no 3 to no 7 off the back of his stunning defeat to Manuel Medina...which let's Howard Eastman into the top 3 after convincingly beating the world rated Hassine Cherifi last month.
Clinton Woods faces Glen Johnson next week and in my book, should he beat the Jamaican fighter he will overtake both Hatton and Michael Brodie (who's big fight with Chi won't happen till' October at the earliest).
Scotland's Alex Arthur may break into the top 10 should he beat tough Mancunian Michael Gomez when the two meet in Edinboro. Graduation night for Amazing Alex.
And although seemingly unlikely, should Sidcup's David Walker dethrone Roman Karmazin of his Euro 154 belt in October, he would also stake a claim to be in the top 10.
Don't think I've missed anyone out
But here is my personal list
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Howard Eastman
4. Michael Brodie
5. Ricky Hatton
6. Clinton Woods
7. Scott Harrison
8. Johnny Nelson
9. Jawaid Khaliq
10. James Hare
* I haven't included Naseem Hamed as I consider him retired
The last two fighters are new arrivals on my list...due to the good level of opposition they have been facing of late. Junior Witter has vacated the top 10, at least until we see who he is facing on Sept 27.
Scott Harrison drops from no 3 to no 7 off the back of his stunning defeat to Manuel Medina...which let's Howard Eastman into the top 3 after convincingly beating the world rated Hassine Cherifi last month.
Clinton Woods faces Glen Johnson next week and in my book, should he beat the Jamaican fighter he will overtake both Hatton and Michael Brodie (who's big fight with Chi won't happen till' October at the earliest).
Scotland's Alex Arthur may break into the top 10 should he beat tough Mancunian Michael Gomez when the two meet in Edinboro. Graduation night for Amazing Alex.
And although seemingly unlikely, should Sidcup's David Walker dethrone Roman Karmazin of his Euro 154 belt in October, he would also stake a claim to be in the top 10.
Don't think I've missed anyone out
Chris,
Here were my final rankings for Ukboxingpress - they never got published though, site was closed that week. One bit of imformation is wrong, but unlike you I don't think it cost him a rankings place. Remember he beat geniune world class fighters in Chacon and McCullough. Nobody else (below him) has BEATEN fighters of that callibre - so I still think he deserves a high rankings. Obviously the gap between 3 and 4 has now closed.
Anyway, here's the list.
1). Lennox Lewis – one of the all time greats and still champion, but looked old.
2). Joe Calzaghe – would like to see him fight world class opposition consistently, but is still undefeated and is genuine class.
3). Scott Harrison – a relatively new world champion, who has fought some excellent opposition on the way to the top, and continues to do so. A few more defences before he catches Calzaghe.
4). Ricky Hatton – Someway behind the first 3, but has been successful in fringe world class and is getting better and better.
5). Clinton Woods – long time British/Commonwealth/European champion – didn’t do badly vs Jones – still in the World title mix.
6) Wayne McCullough – back at Super Bantam where he gave world Pound 4 pounder Eric Morales all kinds of problems – truly world class at this weight.
7) (10) Michael Brodie – delivered the performance that I wanted to see from him at Featherweight last time out. Looked a major threat to Harrison.
8) (7). Howard Eastman – lost his only outing in World class, but like Woods it wasn’t a bad defeat – needs to fighter better opponents.
9) (8). Johnny Nelson – On the Slide, but will remains in the 10 based on his belt.
10) (NE). Damean Kelly. Looks special at times, needs a genuine world title fight, before he gets any older.
Probably when you read this list you think "No wonder Lightsoot stop this site!".
Here were my final rankings for Ukboxingpress - they never got published though, site was closed that week. One bit of imformation is wrong, but unlike you I don't think it cost him a rankings place. Remember he beat geniune world class fighters in Chacon and McCullough. Nobody else (below him) has BEATEN fighters of that callibre - so I still think he deserves a high rankings. Obviously the gap between 3 and 4 has now closed.
Anyway, here's the list.
1). Lennox Lewis – one of the all time greats and still champion, but looked old.
2). Joe Calzaghe – would like to see him fight world class opposition consistently, but is still undefeated and is genuine class.
3). Scott Harrison – a relatively new world champion, who has fought some excellent opposition on the way to the top, and continues to do so. A few more defences before he catches Calzaghe.
4). Ricky Hatton – Someway behind the first 3, but has been successful in fringe world class and is getting better and better.
5). Clinton Woods – long time British/Commonwealth/European champion – didn’t do badly vs Jones – still in the World title mix.
6) Wayne McCullough – back at Super Bantam where he gave world Pound 4 pounder Eric Morales all kinds of problems – truly world class at this weight.
7) (10) Michael Brodie – delivered the performance that I wanted to see from him at Featherweight last time out. Looked a major threat to Harrison.
8) (7). Howard Eastman – lost his only outing in World class, but like Woods it wasn’t a bad defeat – needs to fighter better opponents.
9) (8). Johnny Nelson – On the Slide, but will remains in the 10 based on his belt.
10) (NE). Damean Kelly. Looks special at times, needs a genuine world title fight, before he gets any older.
Probably when you read this list you think "No wonder Lightsoot stop this site!".
when I read back this post.Real Deal's list.
lennox
calzaghe
brodie
hatton
scott harrison
takaloo
eastman
clinton woods
alex arthur
brian magee
Chris,
There is nothing bad about having Brodie that high up, in fact I think I should push him up further on my list. I would still have Scott Harrison above him, but he could quiet easily by 4th on my list. In fact, I will put him above McCullough now, I had my doubts with him at Feather but he was brilliant in his last fight. In fact I'll put him 4th - after all he is really undefeated and has beaten a geniune major top ten fighter (Jorrin). Something Hatton and Woods haven't done - and Wayne aint done for a while. Harrison has done it so I'll still keep him at 3.
The main thing I have with your list is Takaloo. What has he done to warrant such a high positioning? Woods has capture the British, European and Commonwealth belts - beating geniune (at the time) top ten fighters in Ashley and Klemesten. He also made alot, and I mean alot, of Critics laughing off his chances against Jones shut up. People/Websites who said that once he loses to Jones he'll be removed from their top ten changed their minds cause of the effort he put in.
Takaloo has beaten Anthony Farnell, and that's about all. He lost the only time he's fought a top ten guy in a fight many thought he'd win (cause Santos isn't no Roy Jones), he struggles against solid, but unspectacular domestic fighters like Rock and Logan - really he's not proved himself No 1 domestically yet. For me Adrian Stone holds that position.
For me Alex Arthur and Brian Magee aint done enough to warrant such a high positioning, Wayne McCoullough has a fighter who was in the wrong weight class when he faced Harrison, but he's taken alot of Superstars of World boxing close - Morales, Zaragoza and has beaten some good names. I think its a little early to right him off completely and he's been there and done that.
Damean Kelly is a wonderful fighter who's captured a European title (automatic top ten world ranking in my book for that achievement), Magee and Arthur aint close to the top ten in their devision. Kelly needs to fight Culshaw or start getting a deserved world title fight soon, but he's done more than Arthur and Magee and is now in his peak.
GITR's list.
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Howard Eastman
4. Michael Brodie
5. Ricky Hatton
6. Clinton Woods
7. Scott Harrison
8. Johnny Nelson
9. Jawaid Khaliq
10. James Hare
Okay, so what has Eastman done to warrant 3rd place? Eastman hasn't won at world level (cause the Joppy decision was fair), Brodie has, Harrison has, Johnny Nelson has.
Eastman best wins have come against fringe world class fighters at his weight (McCraken and Cherifi) Hatton has done this aswell (Phillips and Magee showed he was fringe world class against Urkal). However, Hatton's devision is much stronger than Eastman. In a P4P sense, currently you have to be a better fighter to be fringe at Light Welter than you do at Middle.
Woods to has only beaten Fringe world class fighters (although in my opinion Ashley and Klemesten were closer to the elite than McCraken and Cherifi). He's also beat all that the WBC put infront of him and such a good account of himself against Jones that he remained high in the rankings. How many eliminators did Eastman have to face, and lets not forget Joppy was only a champion because of the crappy WBA ruling with the Super champs. Woods faught the number 1 guy, in his home state, and didn't make a fool of himself.
lennox
calzaghe
brodie
hatton
scott harrison
takaloo
eastman
clinton woods
alex arthur
brian magee
Chris,
There is nothing bad about having Brodie that high up, in fact I think I should push him up further on my list. I would still have Scott Harrison above him, but he could quiet easily by 4th on my list. In fact, I will put him above McCullough now, I had my doubts with him at Feather but he was brilliant in his last fight. In fact I'll put him 4th - after all he is really undefeated and has beaten a geniune major top ten fighter (Jorrin). Something Hatton and Woods haven't done - and Wayne aint done for a while. Harrison has done it so I'll still keep him at 3.
The main thing I have with your list is Takaloo. What has he done to warrant such a high positioning? Woods has capture the British, European and Commonwealth belts - beating geniune (at the time) top ten fighters in Ashley and Klemesten. He also made alot, and I mean alot, of Critics laughing off his chances against Jones shut up. People/Websites who said that once he loses to Jones he'll be removed from their top ten changed their minds cause of the effort he put in.
Takaloo has beaten Anthony Farnell, and that's about all. He lost the only time he's fought a top ten guy in a fight many thought he'd win (cause Santos isn't no Roy Jones), he struggles against solid, but unspectacular domestic fighters like Rock and Logan - really he's not proved himself No 1 domestically yet. For me Adrian Stone holds that position.
For me Alex Arthur and Brian Magee aint done enough to warrant such a high positioning, Wayne McCoullough has a fighter who was in the wrong weight class when he faced Harrison, but he's taken alot of Superstars of World boxing close - Morales, Zaragoza and has beaten some good names. I think its a little early to right him off completely and he's been there and done that.
Damean Kelly is a wonderful fighter who's captured a European title (automatic top ten world ranking in my book for that achievement), Magee and Arthur aint close to the top ten in their devision. Kelly needs to fight Culshaw or start getting a deserved world title fight soon, but he's done more than Arthur and Magee and is now in his peak.
GITR's list.
1. Lennox Lewis
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Howard Eastman
4. Michael Brodie
5. Ricky Hatton
6. Clinton Woods
7. Scott Harrison
8. Johnny Nelson
9. Jawaid Khaliq
10. James Hare
Okay, so what has Eastman done to warrant 3rd place? Eastman hasn't won at world level (cause the Joppy decision was fair), Brodie has, Harrison has, Johnny Nelson has.
Eastman best wins have come against fringe world class fighters at his weight (McCraken and Cherifi) Hatton has done this aswell (Phillips and Magee showed he was fringe world class against Urkal). However, Hatton's devision is much stronger than Eastman. In a P4P sense, currently you have to be a better fighter to be fringe at Light Welter than you do at Middle.
Woods to has only beaten Fringe world class fighters (although in my opinion Ashley and Klemesten were closer to the elite than McCraken and Cherifi). He's also beat all that the WBC put infront of him and such a good account of himself against Jones that he remained high in the rankings. How many eliminators did Eastman have to face, and lets not forget Joppy was only a champion because of the crappy WBA ruling with the Super champs. Woods faught the number 1 guy, in his home state, and didn't make a fool of himself.
Yeah, but he gave Morales who's been in the world's p4p one hell of a fight. Tak didn't really look close to beating Santos.
There was also McCullough's very (and I mean very) close fight with Zaragoza - which could have gone either way. Zaragoza was a legend.
Not forgetting his reign as Bantam champ, where he beat Johny Bredhal who now holds the belt.
There was also McCullough's very (and I mean very) close fight with Zaragoza - which could have gone either way. Zaragoza was a legend.
Not forgetting his reign as Bantam champ, where he beat Johny Bredhal who now holds the belt.
Eastman is overrated by many people...adamiw wrote:TT, you got Eastman very low there?!
My list:
Calzaghe
Lennox
Eastman
Brodie
Hatton
Woods
Scott Harrison
Culshaw
Reid
Khalliq
I am told by some that he is good enough to take Hopkins
I am not sure he could take on the likes of Simon or Joppy...
I reckon he could struggle against Elcock.....
He'd never take Hopkins or Calzaghe, but he's leagues abogve Elcock. He's actually brutalise Wayne. And i think he'd beat Joppy in a rematch as well.TT wrote:Eastman is overrated by many people...adamiw wrote:TT, you got Eastman very low there?!
My list:
Calzaghe
Lennox
Eastman
Brodie
Hatton
Woods
Scott Harrison
Culshaw
Reid
Khalliq
I am told by some that he is good enough to take Hopkins
I am not sure he could take on the likes of Simon or Joppy...
I reckon he could struggle against Elcock.....
All depends where the rematch will take place...adamiw wrote:He'd never take Hopkins or Calzaghe, but he's leagues abogve Elcock. He's actually brutalise Wayne. And i think he'd beat Joppy in a rematch as well.TT wrote:Eastman is overrated by many people...adamiw wrote:TT, you got Eastman very low there?!
My list:
Calzaghe
Lennox
Eastman
Brodie
Hatton
Woods
Scott Harrison
Culshaw
Reid
Khalliq
I am told by some that he is good enough to take Hopkins
I am not sure he could take on the likes of Simon or Joppy...
I reckon he could struggle against Elcock.....
I can't see Bernard fighting him, infact I can't see him fighting agin...
Its good Howard ain't sitting around waiting for him and keeping active...
Howard is 5th best Middle in the World