McKenzie-Francis spoiler

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 10 Feb 2007, 06:45

TKO1 for Francis. WOW

Anyone at the fight? Massive result for Francis. He's made decent progress since his comeback, and I'm sure he's better for being at 175 now.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Feb 2007, 06:49

Nice one Francis! Class act and the move to 175 was the right one.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 10 Feb 2007, 06:53

It might be too early... but Francis vs Woods is a fight I have wanted to see for years.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Feb 2007, 06:57

Who knows, could happen if Woods loses his IBF title. Then again, Woods did say he'd never go back down to EBU or domestic level but you never know.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 10 Feb 2007, 07:19

I was at the fight on a ringside table with Ovill's sponsors. Not the happiest place to be last night.

Ovill came out tentatively and stood on the outside like he wanted to counterpunch which was obviously the wrong tactic. I thought he would swarm Francis. I don't think i've seen him since he narrowly lost to Barney with one arm but i knew he had power and good skills. So fitness, age and injury worries were the disadvantages that Ovill had to make count.

Dean landed a long left hook which dropped Ovill heavily he made it but he was gone, Dean swarmed and the ref stopped it as Ovill went down again.

The show was pretty crappy in how the event was put together but also because of the snow the other boxers couldn't make it apparently so there was only one bout which was over in 1 min 40 i believe. So don't expect to see this on Channel 5. They were selling dvds for £10 straight afterwards but i declined to by one.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 10 Feb 2007, 07:20

stujones wrote:It might be too early... but Francis vs Woods is a fight I have wanted to see for years.

Good call. If Woods fails to net the faided Jones or Tarver, or Calzaghe of course, why not.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 10 Feb 2007, 12:54

viciousmaussa wrote:Who knows, could happen if Woods loses his IBF title. Then again, Woods did say he'd never go back down to EBU or domestic level but you never know.

Francis is now Commonwealth Champ, tho, so surely its concievable that he would reach up to woods?

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 10 Feb 2007, 13:12

probably needs some meanifull fights to get into the rankings. ouch one fight card for a minute or so of action

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 10 Feb 2007, 13:55

Is no one concerned that his shoulder might go again? McMillian was never the same after a dislocation and Francis has had more than one.

I know Danny Williams ovbercame the problem but I would be surprised if Francis is clear of problems..

the duke · Post by **the duke** » 10 Feb 2007, 14:47

delighted for deano and hopefully this can get him back on track domesticaly first of all, as a fit dean francis before his injuries would have been the 2nd best supermiddlewieght out there behind calzaghe.

im sure he would of had the measure of the likes of catley woods and reid who held world titles but unfortunately now he will never be able to throw the right hand with any authority and therefore a good fighter will be aware of this and capatilise, though i would be delighted to be proved wrong

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 12 Feb 2007, 12:19

TerribleTerry wrote:Is no one concerned that his shoulder might go again? McMillian was never the same after a dislocation and Francis has had more than one.

I know Danny Williams ovbercame the problem but I would be surprised if Francis is clear of problems..

I think it's just a matter of time to be honest. I really hope Francis is over it but it may be another false dawn, how many times have we heard he is "cured" only for it to pop out again? Danny Williams recovered from his and so did Carl Thompson after dislocating against Ralf Rocchigiani so there is hope for Dean Francis, good luck to him.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Feb 2007, 12:50

He seems to fight favouring his left hand - judging by his efforts in his fight before this one.

He was always predominantly left handed but he does fight worried about it.

Its gone 3 times already, so I would think its a matter of time - but he has the power to take them out (as shown) before it goes. He also beat (in most peoples view) a good boxer in Barney with one hand.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Feb 2007, 13:25

the duke wrote:delighted for deano and hopefully this can get him back on track domesticaly first of all, as a fit dean francis before his injuries would have been the 2nd best supermiddlewieght out there behind calzaghe.

im sure he would of had the measure of the likes of catley woods and reid who held world titles but unfortunately now he will never be able to throw the right hand with any authority and therefore a good fighter will be aware of this and capatilise, though i would be delighted to be proved wrong

he may have been the first best!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Feb 2007, 13:47

watch it here free

http://sportuk.tv/pages/boxing/deanfran ... ealth.html#

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 12 Feb 2007, 14:04

viciousmaussa wrote:
the duke wrote:delighted for deano and hopefully this can get him back on track domesticaly first of all, as a fit dean francis before his injuries would have been the 2nd best supermiddlewieght out there behind calzaghe.

im sure he would of had the measure of the likes of catley woods and reid who held world titles but unfortunately now he will never be able to throw the right hand with any authority and therefore a good fighter will be aware of this and capatilise, though i would be delighted to be proved wrong
he may have been the first best!

Calzaghe did him as an amateur and unfortunately for Dean he never got to prove he could have made a better pro. For that reason JC is the better fighter for me.

Francis is what could have been. Calzaghe went out there and did it (to some extent..)

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 12 Feb 2007, 14:15

viciousmaussa wrote:watch it here free

http://sportuk.tv/pages/boxing/deanfran ... ealth.html#

Wow.

That was a devastating stoppage against a dangerous, improving foe.

It speaks volumes for his ability and one time potential that he can continue to win and win well despite boxing virtually one handed!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Feb 2007, 14:18

TerribleTerry wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
the duke wrote:delighted for deano and hopefully this can get him back on track domesticaly first of all, as a fit dean francis before his injuries would have been the 2nd best supermiddlewieght out there behind calzaghe.

im sure he would of had the measure of the likes of catley woods and reid who held world titles but unfortunately now he will never be able to throw the right hand with any authority and therefore a good fighter will be aware of this and capatilise, though i would be delighted to be proved wrong
he may have been the first best!
Calzaghe did him as an amateur and unfortunately for Dean he never got to prove he could have made a better pro. For that reason JC is the better fighter for me.

Francis is what could have been. Calzaghe went out there and did it (to some extent..)

can't disagree too much with that. But seeing Francis' razor sharp skills, clean classical style, beautiful jab and venomous left hook again, it's always tempting to wonder what he could've gone on to do.

I see hints of Francis in David Haye. A certain charisma, cockiness, well rounded, with always the question mark about chin and stamina somewhere in the background.

Dean could certainly have been the most exciting super middle of his generation.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 12 Feb 2007, 14:19

Wow. Cracking shot to drop Ovill.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Feb 2007, 15:06

Kevo wrote:Wow. Cracking shot to drop Ovill.

Really struggling to view it, was it the same with you? All the other ones work well (his interview and other fights) but the McKenzie one is all jumpy with no sound.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 12 Feb 2007, 15:13

stujones wrote:
Kevo wrote:Wow. Cracking shot to drop Ovill.
Really struggling to view it, was it the same with you? All the other ones work well (his interview and other fights) but the McKenzie one is all jumpy with no sound.

Fine for me. Colour was a bit patchy but other than that fine!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Feb 2007, 15:40

I normally have trouble with this kind of thing but these all work good for me. The older one - vs Eastwood - isn't as sharp or as big as the others.

Francis' left hook lead is brilliant - what a shot on Ovill. Check out the Rasani fight - he does practically the same thing (their 2nd fight is online).

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Feb 2007, 18:12

Tried again, similar problems. Weird - all the others work fine.

This just typifies the "confidence" I have with internet streaming.

Still they have got it on DVD for sale.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 12 Feb 2007, 18:50

stujones wrote:
Kevo wrote:Wow. Cracking shot to drop Ovill.
Really struggling to view it, was it the same with you? All the other ones work well (his interview and other fights) but the McKenzie one is all jumpy with no sound.

Keep trying mate. Didn't work for me at all at first.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 13 Feb 2007, 05:06

viciousmaussa wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:he may have been the first best!
Calzaghe did him as an amateur and unfortunately for Dean he never got to prove he could have made a better pro. For that reason JC is the better fighter for me.

Francis is what could have been. Calzaghe went out there and did it (to some extent..)
can't disagree too much with that. But seeing Francis' razor sharp skills, clean classical style, beautiful jab and venomous left hook again, it's always tempting to wonder what he could've gone on to do.

I see hints of Francis in David Haye. A certain charisma, cockiness, well rounded, with always the question mark about chin and stamina somewhere in the background.

Dean could certainly have been the most exciting super middle of his generation.

I rate Dean Francis incredibly highly and was lucky enough to see some of his sparring sessions with Glen Catley at the Empire in Bristol, but it's important to retain perspective when it comes to Calzaghe comparisons. Not only did Joe wipe him out in the amateurs, people also forget that Dean had tough, gruelling fights with the likes of Mark Baker - and that was pre-injury. His best win was the stoppage over Starie, and I certainly think he would have had a chance at claiming a version of the world title, but he wasn't in Joe's league.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 Feb 2007, 06:03

It must also be noted that Joe was 2 years older than Dean at an age when that is a significant difference. It wasn't a 26 and 28 year old going at it. I think they were 17 and 19.