Mosley win further confirms Hatton thoughts

caster · Post by **caster** » 11 Feb 2007, 04:31

A 35 year old Shane Mosley won a one sided fight against Luis Colazzo last night.

Shane is a tremendous fighter, but I reckon he's a few years past his best.

People may say that this confirms that Hatton is no welterweight, but for me this confirms that Hatton is just overrated by the average boxing fan.

Hatton is a good fighter, but not top drawer as he seems to believe.

Before last nights bout, I made a promise to myself that I would confirm Hatton's P4P pedigree on this forum, if Collazzo won the bout.

Collazzo lost by a mile, so my observations/perceptions of Ricky are further solidified.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Feb 2007, 07:45

One hell of a fighter, Mosley. I think we sometimes take him for granted.

Yes, it does cement the idea that Hatton isn't a superstar. Because yes, who was Collazo before Hatton and who was Collazo after Hatton.

Obviously size had a big part in both fights, Hatton not being able to bully Collazo after 4 rds, Mosley being able to beat on Collazo.

But Mosley's an outstanding boxer and it's good that he's back strong.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 11 Feb 2007, 07:47

viciousmaussa wrote:One hell of a fighter, Mosley. I think we sometimes take him for granted.

Yes, it does cement the idea that Hatton isn't a superstar. Because yes, who was Collazo before Hatton and who was Collazo after Hatton.

Obviously size had a big part in both fights, Hatton not being able to bully Collazo after 4 rds, Mosley being able to beat on Collazo.

But Mosley's an outstanding boxer and it's good that he's back strong.

You talk about size. Mosley's peak was as a lightweight. He turned pro at 130lbs

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 11 Feb 2007, 08:11

KO Artist wrote:
You talk about size. Mosley's peak was as a lightweight. He turned pro at 130lbs

Does put things in perspective doesn't it....Ricky is obviously an excellent fighter, and his win over KT goes down as one of the best ever wins by a UK fighter, but there's a chance his prime was over before we even knew it was there ( treading water in the Twilight Zone universe of Sports Network, where alternative WBU titles are seen as the real thing )

I was thinking the other day, after his last fight, how many people rate the fighters he struggles with lately as "VERY underrated" all of a sudden: Collazo then Urango ( strong as a mini Mike Tyson etc etc ).

I'd prefer Corrales, but the now on Castillo fight will be a 12 round war no doubt.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Feb 2007, 08:26

KO Artist wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:One hell of a fighter, Mosley. I think we sometimes take him for granted.

Yes, it does cement the idea that Hatton isn't a superstar. Because yes, who was Collazo before Hatton and who was Collazo after Hatton.

Obviously size had a big part in both fights, Hatton not being able to bully Collazo after 4 rds, Mosley being able to beat on Collazo.

But Mosley's an outstanding boxer and it's good that he's back strong.
You talk about size. Mosley's peak was as a lightweight. He turned pro at 130lbs

he was a massive lightweight who outgrew the division and ended up winning a title at 154!

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Feb 2007, 09:28

I do agree with the views here, I am a bit stunned at the manner of this win.... so it does look like Hatton is not as skilled or will go on a run of his prediscessor (Tszyu). Although, before we right him off we maybe should take into account his style. Hatton is always going to look poor against opposition he should win easy against cause he isn't hard to hit - so he will always be taking punches that the likes of Floyd Mayweather would slip. However, there is no evidence as yet (only going on one fight) that when he steps up he cannot continue to win ugly.

Certainly shows that Mosley has a lot left in the tank.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 11 Feb 2007, 09:56

I dont think this fight really takes away from Hatton. I think it just shows that Hatton's style of fighting almost by default allows his opponents more of a greater chance of establishing themselves in a fight, than Mosely's style allows for.

Hatton is a pressure fighter - such a style is difficult to be effective against bigger, stronger fighters. And the fact that Hatton is prepared to take an opponents shot in order to land his own can make the fight look competitive and far from one-sided especially when the opponent is bigger and stronger whose punches carry more effect than previous, smaller Hatton opponents.

Mosely on the other hand has a cuter style, where he boxes and moves and so has a much greater chance of outboxing his opponents without taking much punishment. When he gets it right, Mosley's opponents rarely land a glove on him - this however can not really be said of Hatton.

E · Post by E » 11 Feb 2007, 09:57

viciousmaussa wrote:
KO Artist wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:One hell of a fighter, Mosley. I think we sometimes take him for granted.

Yes, it does cement the idea that Hatton isn't a superstar. Because yes, who was Collazo before Hatton and who was Collazo after Hatton.

Obviously size had a big part in both fights, Hatton not being able to bully Collazo after 4 rds, Mosley being able to beat on Collazo.

But Mosley's an outstanding boxer and it's good that he's back strong.
You talk about size. Mosley's peak was as a lightweight. He turned pro at 130lbs
he was a massive lightweight who outgrew the division and ended up winning a title at 154!

Exactly - I mean Oscar DE La H turned pro at super feather for goodness sake!

ALso Ricky had 8 weeks to become a welterweight - hardly enough time to get used to it.

AND factor in MOsley's steroid intake and what we have is a very big strong welter.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 11 Feb 2007, 10:17

Funny thing is if Mayweather fought Mosley instead of Baldomir people would here would say he was taking the easy option and avoiding Hatton

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Feb 2007, 10:21

One thing always to take into account is that southpaws and switchers can't seem to miss Hatton, and he has real difficulty landing on them if they are cute or weird in style.

The key thing here is that while he could take the title from Tszyu, he can't be as good a champion.

The alarming thing with Hatton is that you get the feeling that he can't get any better. He can continue to win ugly as Stu says but I feel he's in bother the next sustained assault he takes.

Somewhere among those 150 WBU defenses his best was squandered.

However, 140 is quite exciting. And with so many low profile good fighters, it's probable that we will get quality matchups. Perhaps we should wait until after Hatton-Castillo and Witter-Harris before calling for Hatton-Witter (current #1 and #2).

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Feb 2007, 10:26

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Funny thing is if Mayweather fought Mosley instead of Baldomir people would here would say he was taking the easy option and avoiding Hatton

I very much doubt it now. Mosley was competitive in the 2nd Winky fight, when he had adjusted to being off the juice. With Vargas 1, 2 and Collazo that's one nice comeback.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 11 Feb 2007, 10:42

KO Artist wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:One hell of a fighter, Mosley. I think we sometimes take him for granted.

Yes, it does cement the idea that Hatton isn't a superstar. Because yes, who was Collazo before Hatton and who was Collazo after Hatton.

Obviously size had a big part in both fights, Hatton not being able to bully Collazo after 4 rds, Mosley being able to beat on Collazo.

But Mosley's an outstanding boxer and it's good that he's back strong.
You talk about size. Mosley's peak was as a lightweight. He turned pro at 130lbs

Mosley is also freakishly strong. His weigh lifting capabilities (Balco aided, or not) are the thing of legend.

The result does, however, refelct badly on The Htman. I was expecting Collazo to run Shane very close but from the sound of the brief report I read Mosley controlled the fight with his jab.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 11 Feb 2007, 11:09

i thought collazo would run shane closer than he did.

collazo at least went the distance, which is not easy against mosley.

hatton has his destiny in his own hands and collazo doesn't matter a shit in that regard.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 11 Feb 2007, 11:10

Body shape and frame can dictate whether fighters can become great muli weight champions. Hatton’s physicality confines him to an extent to the LWW division, where his natural strength and skillset is suited.

Mosley is 5’ 8/9 and looks like a natural WW. ODLH is 5’ 10 and looks a natural LMW. These guys have exceptional all round boxing skills that they were able to bring with them when they moved up. Hatton brings natural aggression and strength to the LWW division which is nullifed at the higher weight. Azumah Nelson was a truly great SFW, whose natural strength and power didn’t translate against the very best at LW. There are just some fighters that will only ever be suited to a single weight division and I think that Hatton falls into that category.

He should concentrate on trying to clean up LWW to secure any lasting legacy. But, alas, I think a big money offer will see him attempting another foray at WW, where he will come undone IMO.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 11 Feb 2007, 11:12

E wrote:Exactly - I mean Oscar DE La H turned pro at super feather for goodness sake!

ALso Ricky had 8 weeks to become a welterweight - hardly enough time to get used to it.

AND factor in MOsley's steroid intake and what we have is a very big strong welter.

they both had the frame to go thru the weights.

oscar is 5"11 and shane is 5"9.

hatton is 5"6 and a stocky slugger in style.

julio cesar chavez won world title's in 3 weights and took 9 yrs to get to his 3rd weight.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 11 Feb 2007, 12:07

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
E wrote:Exactly - I mean Oscar DE La H turned pro at super feather for goodness sake!

ALso Ricky had 8 weeks to become a welterweight - hardly enough time to get used to it.

AND factor in MOsley's steroid intake and what we have is a very big strong welter.
they both had the frame to go thru the weights.

oscar is 5"11 and shane is 5"9.

hatton is 5"6 and a stocky slugger in style.

julio cesar chavez won world title's in 3 weights and took 9 yrs to get to his 3rd weight.

Let it go Hitman, HATTON is just not THAT good.

Pernell Whittaker was 5ft 6 and went as high as light middle and best THE champ.

Hatton is a good fighter - but not an elite fighter.

You don't struggle with Collazo and Urango if you are the ELITE.

Fact.

Hattons career was summed up last night and he wasn't even fighting.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 11 Feb 2007, 12:36

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
E wrote:Exactly - I mean Oscar DE La H turned pro at super feather for goodness sake!

ALso Ricky had 8 weeks to become a welterweight - hardly enough time to get used to it.

AND factor in MOsley's steroid intake and what we have is a very big strong welter.
they both had the frame to go thru the weights.

oscar is 5"11 and shane is 5"9.

hatton is 5"6 and a stocky slugger in style.

julio cesar chavez won world title's in 3 weights and took 9 yrs to get to his 3rd weight.

Shane Mosely huge? Come on

He only moved up due to his extensive weight lifting.

His frame is small his build is slight. Look at the width of his shoulders and the girth of his torso.

He is small. Samller then Honeyghan and Napoles etc.

You are confusing muscle definition with build. They are two different things.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 11 Feb 2007, 14:16

SticknMove wrote:Body shape and frame can dictate whether fighters can become great muli weight champions. Hatton’s physicality confines him to an extent to the LWW division, where his natural strength and skillset is suited.

Mosley is 5’ 8/9 and looks like a natural WW. ODLH is 5’ 10 and looks a natural LMW. These guys have exceptional all round boxing skills that they were able to bring with them when they moved up. Hatton brings natural aggression and strength to the LWW division which is nullifed at the higher weight. Azumah Nelson was a truly great SFW, whose natural strength and power didn’t translate against the very best at LW. There are just some fighters that will only ever be suited to a single weight division and I think that Hatton falls into that category.

He should concentrate on trying to clean up LWW to secure any lasting legacy. But, alas, I think a big money offer will see him attempting another foray at WW, where he will come undone IMO.

Great post

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 11 Feb 2007, 17:22

dopey wrote:
SticknMove wrote:Body shape and frame can dictate whether fighters can become great muli weight champions. Hatton’s physicality confines him to an extent to the LWW division, where his natural strength and skillset is suited.

Mosley is 5’ 8/9 and looks like a natural WW. ODLH is 5’ 10 and looks a natural LMW. These guys have exceptional all round boxing skills that they were able to bring with them when they moved up. Hatton brings natural aggression and strength to the LWW division which is nullifed at the higher weight. Azumah Nelson was a truly great SFW, whose natural strength and power didn’t translate against the very best at LW. There are just some fighters that will only ever be suited to a single weight division and I think that Hatton falls into that category.

He should concentrate on trying to clean up LWW to secure any lasting legacy. But, alas, I think a big money offer will see him attempting another foray at WW, where he will come undone IMO.
Great post

Bollox what about Tyson (5'9), Henry Armstrong (5'5), Whitaker(5'6), Hamed (5'3), Duran (5'7). They were short and dominated far taller men above their weight divisions.

Hattons very good just never in Mosleys league and theres a reason hes kept away from many a top 10 140lb fighter

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 11 Feb 2007, 17:25

Bollox what about Tyson (5'9), Henry Armstrong (5'5), Whitaker(5'6), Hamed (5'3), Duran (5'7). They were short and dominated far taller men above their weight divisions.

Hattons very good just never in Mosleys league and theres a reason hes kept away from many a top 10 140lb fighter[/quote]

Hatton is just a decent fighter - HYPED TO THE HILLS!

caster · Post by **caster** » 11 Feb 2007, 17:58

Hatton is just a decent fighter - HYPED TO THE HILLS![/quote]

This sums it up for me. Hatton is good, had the right matches/circmstances but significantly lesser calibre than the recognised pound 4 pounders.

Sorry for keep re-stating this but Hatton (rather allegedly) got Kostya at exactly the right time and in the right location.

Axe · Post by **Axe** » 11 Feb 2007, 17:59

KO Artist wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:One hell of a fighter, Mosley. I think we sometimes take him for granted.

Yes, it does cement the idea that Hatton isn't a superstar. Because yes, who was Collazo before Hatton and who was Collazo after Hatton.

Obviously size had a big part in both fights, Hatton not being able to bully Collazo after 4 rds, Mosley being able to beat on Collazo.

But Mosley's an outstanding boxer and it's good that he's back strong.
You talk about size. Mosley's peak was as a lightweight. He turned pro at 130lbs

Mosley never weighed in at anything less than a lighthweight, and consensus is that his best weight would have been 140 lbs...coincidentally, that is Ricky's weight class as well.

Shane is naturally bigger than Hatton (as well as more talented, faster, etc).

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 11 Feb 2007, 20:28

DG. wrote:Bollox what about Tyson (5'9), Henry Armstrong (5'5), Whitaker(5'6), Hamed (5'3), Duran (5'7). They were short and dominated far taller men above their weight divisions.

Hattons very good just never in Mosleys league and theres a reason hes kept away from many a top 10 140lb fighter

Hatton is just a decent fighter - HYPED TO THE HILLS![/quote]

tyson was 5ft 11 actually....

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Feb 2007, 03:24

DG. wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:
E wrote:Exactly - I mean Oscar DE La H turned pro at super feather for goodness sake!

ALso Ricky had 8 weeks to become a welterweight - hardly enough time to get used to it.

AND factor in MOsley's steroid intake and what we have is a very big strong welter.
they both had the frame to go thru the weights.

oscar is 5"11 and shane is 5"9.

hatton is 5"6 and a stocky slugger in style.

julio cesar chavez won world title's in 3 weights and took 9 yrs to get to his 3rd weight.

Let it go Hitman, HATTON is just not THAT good.

Pernell Whittaker was 5ft 6 and went as high as light middle and best THE champ.

Hatton is a good fighter - but not an elite fighter.

You don't struggle with Collazo and Urango if you are the ELITE.

Fact.

Hattons career was summed up last night and he wasn't even fighting.

Whitaker didn't beat THE champ at light midlde. He beat A CHAMP. Norris was the man. Not Vazquez. And Whitaker never faced Norris.

You are being a bit harsh on Hatton - it's clear he's bad against southpaws (Thaxton, Magee anyone?) - but right now he has it all to prove and is getting outshone by a 35 year old.

Mosley is a fighter who will face anyone, take on the toughest to advance his career. Whereas Hatton has to have this and that in his favor, apparently makes last minute financial demands in WBU fights that convinces whomever to not bother coming over (Pinto?), etc.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Feb 2007, 05:48

rhino222 wrote:
DG. wrote:Bollox what about Tyson (5'9), Henry Armstrong (5'5), Whitaker(5'6), Hamed (5'3), Duran (5'7). They were short and dominated far taller men above their weight divisions.

Hattons very good just never in Mosleys league and theres a reason hes kept away from many a top 10 140lb fighter

Hatton is just a decent fighter - HYPED TO THE HILLS!

tyson was 5ft 11 actually....[/quote]

I know hes listed as 5'11 but supposedly his real height is 5'9