What did everyone think of Mosley?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Feb 2007, 06:08

He did very well beating a difficult foe in Collazo. He showed the ingredient for a flat footed southpaw and his in/out movement and punch picking ws good. I felt the fight was competitive and close until the eighth. Mosley paced the fight well, saving his best for the last 4 rds. By the end I had him 5 or 6 points up.

But as good as he was, Mosley didn't look vibrant and this turning back the clock stuff isn't true. All these ppl crawling out of the woodwork and saying he'll stop Cotto are going a bit far.

I look forward to seeing the rest of Mosley's comeback. He found a way to cope with his age and a difficult foe. And certainly a Hall of Fame worthy fighter making a great addition to 147. But there are no guarantees for him vs Cotto, Mayweather & Margarito.

d · Post by d » 15 Feb 2007, 06:31

I tend to agree here.
Thought Mosley showed the level Collazo is at mainly. Good fighter but nothing special,again,Mosley is nowhere near back to his best and i don't think will ever be.Not at 35 and after the really bad run he had over a couple of years. Gone are the blistering combinations and lightning speed.
I felt he old manned Collazo in truth. Oh, and i'm a big Mosley fan, from when he was a lightweight. Still quality but not as good now as some seem to think after saturday.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Feb 2007, 06:32

Due to Sky's ridiculously long wait to get my cunting dish installed, I couldn't tell you, and won't be able to tell anyone anything about international action until after March 30th!

On another note, I think that everyone is getting rather overexcited over this result, the suggestions about how he is going to bash up Cotto are a little over the top. Cotto looks to be coming to his absolute prime now, and judging by the whup-ass he gave Quintana, could well be a monster at 147.

Mosley is obviously still competitive, but whether he can beat the very best at any weight 147 or above, is another matter.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Feb 2007, 06:44

I was impressed by Mosley's ring generalship more than anything else. Some really nice movement. Physically, I don't reckon he's any different.

Would love to see him get one more very big win. Cintron, for the IBF title, might be hard due to his size.

The 147 landscape is great right now. Mayweather can still defend his title regardless of whether he beats DLH or not. Cotto, for me, is going to be the future of the division and I don't like Zab Judah's chances for the June fight. Margarito and Williams could be good.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Feb 2007, 07:28

VM, I agree with the post - although not sure Cintron would be considered a very big win..... The way he got bashed by Margarito I think leaves him a level behind the likes of Mayweather, Margarito, Cotto, Judah etc (currently anyway).

Two things that stuck out for me was his 1) Ring Generalship - Fought a great fight vs a southpaw, just used his left hand jab as a measuring stick (nusance factor) for his big rights... really did perplex Collazo. 2) His Size - the reason why I picked Collazo is because I assumed (without looking at the tale of the tape) that he would be bigger and have the bigger reach - Mosley is undefeated against smaller guys physically and needs to be the bigger guy to be effective cause he continually uses his jab as a measuring stick. Forrest and Wright could outjab him, cause they had a SIGNIFICANT reach advantage (aswell as a nice jab) and Mosley, even in his prime years, wasn't as elusive as people made out and could be susceptible to eating jabs (his Magri esque nose is testament to his elusiveness).

Still one of the fastest around and will always be a handfull if he can counter attack.... its when he is needing to be aggressive and first is when he is in trouble. Hatton is tailor made for Mosley. The others would be interesting, because even though they are (or at least appear to be bigger) Margarito especially likes to come forward.

I think Collazo will come back... don't think he is completely out of the picture yet, just got old manned out of it and at 24 has time on his side. I wouldn't mind seeing Collazo vs Cintron still.

ALI · Post by **ALI** » 15 Feb 2007, 10:00

I agree that the press went overboard on Mosley's performance. I am glad he is back at 147lbs now though. With Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Mayweather & Judah, there could be some good fights about to happen.

My money is on Cotto to rule the division!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Feb 2007, 10:10

Have to say, Harris was less than inspiring.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 15 Feb 2007, 11:22

Who disagrees that Mosley would be able to outbox, outspeed and beat Cotto to the punch? Cottos been overated quite heavily and has shown to have problems with speed against Corley and Malignaggi. I think Mosley would outbox Cotto and be able to land on him easily, Cottos easy to find, especially when he opens up so Mosley would land better on Cotto than he did Collazo. So Mosley may stop Cotto - look at how Torres, Corley, Mallagnaggi hit him at will.

Cotto-Judah should tell us allot and Cotto may not get past Judah. Judah is a huge step up in class for Cotto and will answer many questions.

On another note Cottos tied up for his next 3 fights - Ukral, Judah, Margarito. So Mosley-Cotto - not happening any time soon.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Feb 2007, 11:34

It's not all about speed. Cotto has excellent timing, and he punches very acturately, picking his spots beautifully, and very hard.

I wouldn't count Mosley out entirely, but I believe that Cotto would be able to hurt Mosley and hunt him down. It could well be a fight of two halves, with Mosley starting well, and then being dissected down the stretch. Cotto has been outsped before, but has always been able to chop his man down, and when he gets going he is pretty relentless.

Shane is a tough tough fighter, but he's not exactly hard to hit himself, and I wonder how well he would react to getting whacked hard and often by Cotto.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Feb 2007, 13:46

I think Cotto would've clearly beaten Collazo. Collazo being on the same level to Quintana, but with inferior movement.

Cotto's very cool, calculating, and has a brutal assortment of shots up & downstairs.

Cotto may not get by Judah? That's almost laughable.

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 15 Feb 2007, 13:47

For a man of 35, Mosley showed he's still right up there with the best fighters, right in the mix.

Shane is much more effective @ 147lbs, than 154lbs, and that showed in the fight. While Mosley appeared to be in superb condition, his body looked as though he may have stayed off the weight lifting, which I believe is a good thing.

At 35, it's hard to see Mosley getting back to his best, maybe not even getting near back to his best. He was some fighter when @ his peak, though he's a long way from those days now.

I felt a lot of people, myself included, felt Collazo would give Mosley a much more tough assignment than what transpired. However, Mosley fought an effective fight. Having seen the bout, Collazo was troubled by Mosley's hand-speed.

Mosley is one of the select few group of fighters who really do look after themselves, exercise on a regular basis, & generally lead a healthy lifestyle.

I don't think we'll see the Mosley of when he was boxing as a lightweight again, but the future looks bright for Shane indeed. He has said he does not see himself retiring anytime soon.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 15 Feb 2007, 14:15

a degree or two past his excellent best but shane still deserves to be in the mix at 147. my feeling is that cotto has learnt and improved and grown in confidence so much in the last 18 months that he will destroy judah and really put himself on the map later this year.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Feb 2007, 14:24

harrygreb wrote:a degree or two past his excellent best but shane still deserves to be in the mix at 147. my feeling is that cotto has learnt and improved and grown in confidence so much in the last 18 months that he will destroy judah and really put himself on the map later this year.

Cotto I feel, has the potential to go on to be a truly great fighter. He's not a front runner like Judah, if things get hard, he bites down on his gumshield, and sets his mind on the task at hand. You can beat him to the punch for sure, or make him look awkward and have him chase you round the ring, but he just keeps chugging away.

Judah may well have the better of it for 2-3 rounds, he may even hurt Cotto, but by the 6th round Judah will be heading towards survival mode. Judah is not a guy who overcomes adversity, he either wins after setting out his stall early, or crumbles when the going gets tough.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Feb 2007, 14:51

Usually James, but Judah did show a bit of bottle in the mid rounds vs Spinks in the rematch and didn't exactly crumbe vs Mayweather.

I think Judah vs Cotto is very interesting.... Judah could very well be offensively the 2nd best fighter on the planet - doubts remain over his concentration, stamina and chin... but he is greased lightning and hits hard. He could give Cotto fits and really test Miguel's chin.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 15 Feb 2007, 14:54

Cotto is untested above to quote Mayweather 'C level bums', he may be a great fighter but Judah is a huge step up in class. Judah is borderline A Class if you put Judah in perspective:

Took 5 rounds off Mayweather

Beat Spinks, Witter, Corley, Green

Fought 14 world title fights

Hes been in far better company than Cotto and may have the style to pull out a win. Cotto may knock Judah into next week but we'll see

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Feb 2007, 15:18

I don't think C level bum is quite fair.

N'dou just stopped Rabah in an IBF elim and early fight of the year candidate the other week - this looks better now. Torres is a banger, Malignaggi fast and slick, both of these being in their physical prime -if raw. Quintana is a very skilled welter who was coming off an accomplished win over prospect Joel Julio. Pinto was well regarded, tall, talented and a hard hitter, and Cotto beat him in a rare fight between unbeaten prospects. Abdullaev was capable, if limited.

Sosa, Corley, Branco, Bazan are all adequate middling opponents, to move a young prospect/contender/title holder, IMO.

Of course, there ae no truly elite names on that record, but I feel those will come soon. Cotto is marvellously well schooled, and when he gets going can be a joy to watch. He did lose his way a bit with the weight problems, but that seems all sorted with the move to welter.

Judah and then hopefully Margarito are interesting fights. Urkal's not a bad fighter, though well past the prime that saw him beat Magee and trouble Tszyu. Urkal WAS world class, IMO.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 15 Feb 2007, 16:19

My point is Judah is a step up in class

Yes C Level bum is unfair as it was also unfair to Gatti

Interestingly though Cotto will debut around 5-8 on P4P lists if he beats Judah convincingly.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 16 Feb 2007, 13:49

james pinpointed judahs weaknesses well. cotto starches zab in 8.