Donald Curry vs Oscar De La Hoya 147lbs.

zuru · Post by **zuru** » 13 Feb 2007, 02:56

I like Curry a lot,he had good all around skills,if I was going to find fault,it would be his"Posing"(for lack of a better definition)as good as his defense and speed were,sometimes he just kind of stood there ,with his hands up.He and Oscar would be close equals physically,I liked Oscar's speed and boxing skills also.I'd give Curry an edge in defense,Oscar an edge in body punching,although Curry could work the body also.As I'm thinking,I also like Curry's infighting ability,but DeLaHoya's explosiveness.Both men had good power and would be capable of hurting one another.I'll have to think,as I'd want to pick Curry,but can see DeLaHoya definitely rising to the occasion,and taking advantage of Curry's stationary lapses.(plus,I had to hurry and get this in before ELMERSALSA did

).I'll have to ponder this abit,and come back,
zuru

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 13 Feb 2007, 06:34

I think a peak Curry would knock ODH out. Curry had a relatively short prime, but was devastating e.g. Milt McCrory and Colin Jones. ODH is better than these two but Curry would be too hot for him in his prime, which was brilliant.

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 13 Feb 2007, 18:37

Donald by Knockout in 5-8 Rounds..

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 13 Feb 2007, 18:38

Victor*KC wrote:Donald by Knockout in 5-8 Rounds..

I cant believe we agree about something

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 13 Feb 2007, 18:43

dr_devious wrote:
Victor*KC wrote:Donald by Knockout in 5-8 Rounds..
I cant believe we agree about something

Seriously it always seems like we get into somekind of argument..

theone · Post by **theone** » 14 Feb 2007, 06:03

Delahoya by tko in the 9th. Entertaining scrap until Oscars advantage in toughness ends it.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 14 Feb 2007, 11:51

I think you guys are underestimating Curry. Oscar was fantastic, but was a little out of his comfort zone above 10 stone. He's not a natural Welter, nor a hard hitting strong Welter. Curry is a big strong talented Welter. Though not in Hearns or Leonard's league, he was very good and I don't think Oscar is big enough to really frighten or impose himself on Curry.
I see a UD win for Curry with Oscar more likely being the guy rocked or wobbled. Curry was also very accurate and fast for a Welter. Fast enough to get Oscar's respect and definitely hard hitting enough

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 14 Feb 2007, 12:41

walshb wrote:I think you guys are underestimating Curry. Oscar was fantastic, but was a little out of his comfort zone above 10 stone. He's not a natural Welter, nor a hard hitting strong Welter. Curry is a big strong talented Welter. Though not in Hearns or Leonard's league, he was very good and I don't think Oscar is big enough to really frighten or impose himself on Curry.
I see a UD win for Curry with Oscar more likely being the guy rocked or wobbled. Curry was also very accurate and fast for a Welter. Fast enough to get Oscar's respect and definitely hard hitting enough

Curry was a masterful technician who specialized in breaking down guys who tried to box him his punches just as Floyd Curry didn't have a highworkrate but he made it up with accuracy Mosley's combination of speed and power bothered dlh aprime Curry has KO power in either hand and had great handspeed and great reflexes.. A prime Curry would hang with just about anyone at 147..

theone · Post by **theone** » 15 Feb 2007, 10:16

Mosley's combination of speed and power bothered dlh aprime Curry has KO power in either hand and had great handspeed and great reflexes.. A prime Curry would hang with just about anyone at 147..

Curry did not have Mosely hand speed, workrate, or toughness. Oscar was just as skilled and fast as Curry plus was a hel of alot tougher. Not only would Curry not be able to hang with Oscar, but neither would he with Mosely, Trinidad, or Quartey. Curry around that time, would have the level of success of an Oba Carr.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 15 Feb 2007, 11:28

Oba Carr was just another Roger Stafford type.

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 15 Feb 2007, 20:25

theone wrote:
Mosley's combination of speed and power bothered dlh aprime Curry has KO power in either hand and had great handspeed and great reflexes.. A prime Curry would hang with just about anyone at 147..
Curry did not have Mosely hand speed, workrate, or toughness. Oscar was just as skilled and fast as Curry plus was a hel of alot tougher. Not only would Curry not be able to hang with Oscar, but neither would he with Mosely, Trinidad, or Quartey. Curry around that time, would have the level of success of an Oba Carr.

What didn't have Mosley handspeed?

Was about the same if not a bit faster, he had better handspeed than oscar and better offensive and defensive skills, To say he would have the success of oba carr is pretty damn funny.. are you trying to take Charlies job on this site??

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 16 Feb 2007, 18:23

Victor*KC wrote:Donald by Knockout in 5-8 Rounds..

THe Lone Star Cobra ALL the way.

Curry, in his brief prime, is one of the best I have ever seen.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 16 Feb 2007, 22:27

Victor*KC wrote:
walshb wrote:I think you guys are underestimating Curry. Oscar was fantastic, but was a little out of his comfort zone above 10 stone. He's not a natural Welter, nor a hard hitting strong Welter. Curry is a big strong talented Welter. Though not in Hearns or Leonard's league, he was very good and I don't think Oscar is big enough to really frighten or impose himself on Curry.
I see a UD win for Curry with Oscar more likely being the guy rocked or wobbled. Curry was also very accurate and fast for a Welter. Fast enough to get Oscar's respect and definitely hard hitting enough
Curry was a masterful technician who specialized in breaking down guys who tried to box him his punches just as Floyd Curry didn't have a highworkrate but he made it up with accuracy Mosley's combination of speed and power bothered dlh aprime Curry has KO power in either hand and had great handspeed and great reflexes.. A prime Curry would hang with just about anyone at 147..

I was a big Curry fan. After he crushed McCrory, he looked destined to reign at 147 for a good while. I didn't quite buy into 'good enough to give Hagler a serious test' scenario but I never suspected he'd get derailed so suddenly and so completely.

But if he couldn't hang with Lloyd Honeyghan - and make no mistake he got thoroughly fekkin hammered - I can't really see him beating DLH.

theone · Post by **theone** » 17 Feb 2007, 08:44

hat didn't have Mosley handspeed? Was about the same if not a bit faster, he had better handspeed than oscar and better offensive and defensive skills, To say he would have the success of oba carr is pretty damn funny.. are you trying to take Charlies job on this site??

Exactly Oba Carr level success. If he fought in Carr's era, he would probably beat every other contender but wouldnt be able to hang with Trinidad, Delayhoya or Quartey. Curry was very fortunate he fought at the time he did. Even then, his success was short lived and came to an abrupt end at the hands of a much lesser fighter than Delayhoya.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 17 Feb 2007, 11:48

Carr was crap though. on about the level of Roger Stafford.

To be honest, i think Starling was better than the likes of Oscar, Mosley and especially the welterweight Frank Bruno that was quartey.

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 17 Feb 2007, 12:12

theone wrote:
hat didn't have Mosley handspeed? Was about the same if not a bit faster, he had better handspeed than oscar and better offensive and defensive skills, To say he would have the success of oba carr is pretty damn funny.. are you trying to take Charlies job on this site??
Exactly Oba Carr level success. If he fought in Carr's era, he would probably beat every other contender but wouldnt be able to hang with Trinidad, Delayhoya or Quartey. Curry was very fortunate he fought at the time he did. Even then, his success was short lived and came to an abrupt end at the hands of a much lesser fighter than Delayhoya.

I think Starling would of been able to beat all 3 of them and Curry beat him twice the first fight being close..the Curry that fought Honeyghan was weight drained and should of moved up after he beat.. Milton McCrory who had just had to close fights with the power punching Jones whom Curry played with for as long as the fight went on that was a prime Curry.. Trinidad would get KTFO in the first 3, 4 rounds Quartey stands the best chance but he still would lose.. to mention him in the same Breath as Carr is an insult!

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 17 Feb 2007, 12:13

Arbachakov wrote:Carr was crap though. on about the level of Roger Stafford.

To be honest, i think Starling was better than the likes of Oscar, Mosley and especially the welterweight Frank Bruno that was quartey.

Agrees!

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 17 Feb 2007, 17:16

Victor*KC wrote:
theone wrote:
hat didn't have Mosley handspeed? Was about the same if not a bit faster, he had better handspeed than oscar and better offensive and defensive skills, To say he would have the success of oba carr is pretty damn funny.. are you trying to take Charlies job on this site??
Exactly Oba Carr level success. If he fought in Carr's era, he would probably beat every other contender but wouldnt be able to hang with Trinidad, Delayhoya or Quartey. Curry was very fortunate he fought at the time he did. Even then, his success was short lived and came to an abrupt end at the hands of a much lesser fighter than Delayhoya.
I think Starling would of been able to beat all 3 of them and Curry beat him twice the first fight being close..the Curry that fought Honeyghan was weight drained and should of moved up after he beat.. Milton McCrory who had just had to close fights with the power punching Jones whom Curry played with for as long as the fight went on that was a prime Curry.. Trinidad would get KTFO in the first 3, 4 rounds Quartey stands the best chance but he still would lose.. to mention him in the same Breath as Carr is an insult!

Well, that's the usual excuse given for Curry's hammering but I don't recall any talk of it before the fight. Curry was seen as being at his absolute peak. Honeyghan, very good fighter that he was, was simply not viewed as being anywhere near that class and was given little chance of pulling off the huge upset.

Anyway, we'll never know as the beating he received from Honeyghan pretty much ended Curry's time as an elite fighter. Yes, I know he beat some reasonable fighters after that and even picked up a strap at 154 but he never beat another elite fighter.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 17 Feb 2007, 17:54

Curry did look very weight drained against Honeyghan.

It was the manner of his defeat though, that was alarming.Were he really a true great he would have persevered and either gutted out a win or at least showed far more toughness.

He'd still be good enough to beat Oscar however

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 17 Feb 2007, 19:44

Collins2000 wrote:
Victor*KC wrote:
theone wrote: Exactly Oba Carr level success. If he fought in Carr's era, he would probably beat every other contender but wouldnt be able to hang with Trinidad, Delayhoya or Quartey. Curry was very fortunate he fought at the time he did. Even then, his success was short lived and came to an abrupt end at the hands of a much lesser fighter than Delayhoya.
I think Starling would of been able to beat all 3 of them and Curry beat him twice the first fight being close..the Curry that fought Honeyghan was weight drained and should of moved up after he beat.. Milton McCrory who had just had to close fights with the power punching Jones whom Curry played with for as long as the fight went on that was a prime Curry.. Trinidad would get KTFO in the first 3, 4 rounds Quartey stands the best chance but he still would lose.. to mention him in the same Breath as Carr is an insult!
Well, that's the usual excuse given for Curry's hammering but I don't recall any talk of it before the fight. Curry was seen as being at his absolute peak. Honeyghan, very good fighter that he was, was simply not viewed as being anywhere near that class and was given little chance of pulling off the huge upset.

Anyway, we'll never know as the beating he received from Honeyghan pretty much ended Curry's time as an elite fighter. Yes, I know he beat some reasonable fighters after that and even picked up a strap at 154 but he never beat another elite fighter.

Did Cotto look weight drained against Torres? No he didn't but he fought like he was that's why he had such a tough time with Torres now compare him with the version that literally destroyed Quintana.. you see better footwork handspeed and the ability to take a better shot.. so you don't have to exactly look like this to be weight drained..