N'Dou IBF champ

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 18 Feb 2007, 23:47

What tae fornicate?

Thought the Rabah fight was an eliminator?

Post by **The Law** » 19 Feb 2007, 00:16

Max Molyneux wrote:What tae eff?

Thought the Rabah fight was an eliminator?

It was initially an eliminator. However after beating Rabah Ndou became the mandatory for Hatton, but Hatton refused to face him and decided to fight Castillo instead. Consequently the IBF title was awarded to Ndou.

It's boxing politics for ya. Ndou is just a paper champ.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Feb 2007, 03:26

he was given the title midway through last week, for Christ's sake. Paper champ yes, but he's always deserved a break, now he has that bit of leverage to maybe cash in his long and punishing career. Credit to him, he went straight to America to sort a fight with Hatton's ppl.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 19 Feb 2007, 09:21

Why does he deserve a break?[/quote]

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Feb 2007, 10:23

Max Molyneux wrote:Why does he deserve a break?

[/quote]what about all the late notice fights he took, vs the top quality fighters. Some of those fights he performed well yet his preparations weren't ideal for the circumstances. Sort of like a Glen Johnson syndrome, when Glen was a super middle.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 19 Feb 2007, 19:36

He didn't win those fights regardless.

To just hand him a belt without fighting for It, Insults his ability to win one.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 19 Feb 2007, 19:38

It is a bit stupid, he should have to fight the next available contender for the vacant title. Has this situation happened many times. We all know about the interim process but a fighter only winning an eliminator and becoming champion because the current champ vacated?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 19 Feb 2007, 21:53

Its not unusual, happend to Lennox in 1993. Exactly the same.

coneye · Post by **coneye** » 20 Feb 2007, 02:57

Yes but lets have it right, Ndou and Rabah would off been for the title if Hatton would off vacated prior to there fight. The Hatton camp was contacted and asked if they would honor there mandatory being the winner off Ndou -Rabah they said yes and then changed there minds so simple, If he will not fight the mandatory strip him , in this case he gave it up before he was stripped, only fair the winner Ndou gets the belt

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 20 Feb 2007, 04:21

Max Molyneux wrote:He didn't win those fights regardless.

To just hand him a belt without fighting for It, Insults his ability to win one.

You don't seem to get it, do you? It's hard enough beating those fighters when you're 100% fit and had a thorough preparation. Look at the way he took all those middle rounds off Witter. There was real skill and toughness in there by N'dou. A lot of ppl say he deserved to beat Mitchell. And he just stopped a very difficult Rabah.

I didn't justify the IBF giving him the title. It was stupid to take a belt off the clear #1 in the division (shades of Marquez). The IBF decided afterward that because Hatton didn't intend to make his mandatory that the N'dou-Rabah BECAME a bout for the vacant title.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 20 Feb 2007, 05:47

viciousmaussa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:He didn't win those fights regardless.

To just hand him a belt without fighting for It, Insults his ability to win one.
You don't seem to get it, do you? It's hard enough beating those fighters when you're 100% fit and had a thorough preparation. Look at the way he took all those middle rounds off Witter. There was real skill and toughness in there by N'dou. A lot of ppl say he deserved to beat Mitchell. And he just stopped a very difficult Rabah.

I didn't justify the IBF giving him the title. It was stupid to take a belt off the clear #1 in the division (shades of Marquez). The IBF decided afterward that because Hatton didn't intend to make his mandatory that the N'dou-Rabah BECAME a bout for the vacant title.

Some say he beat Cotto and Mitchell, I only saw the late rounds against Cotto and from what I remember he was backing Cotto up, nice flurry at the end by Cotto. Supposdly he broke Cottos ribs

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Feb 2007, 08:35

Anyone who says he beat Cotto is talking out of their sphincter. Close fight, but no way did N'dou win that, it was only because Cotto looked bad (due to N'dou breaking his ribs) in the latter half of the fight, but he'd done enough to only need to nick a couple of rounds in the latter half.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 20 Feb 2007, 09:03

viciousmaussa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:He didn't win those fights regardless.

To just hand him a belt without fighting for It, Insults his ability to win one.
You don't seem to get it, do you? It's hard enough beating those fighters when you're 100% fit and had a thorough preparation. Look at the way he took all those middle rounds off Witter. There was real skill and toughness in there by N'dou. A lot of ppl say he deserved to beat Mitchell. And he just stopped a very difficult Rabah.

I didn't justify the IBF giving him the title. It was stupid to take a belt off the clear #1 in the division (shades of Marquez). The IBF decided afterward that because Hatton didn't intend to make his mandatory that the N'dou-Rabah BECAME a bout for the vacant title.

It his own fault and choice to take these fights on late notice, Witter learned that when he lost to Judah. No Sympathy there If he chooses to do that and really he lost to the better men on those nights.

I don't get what exactly?

Hatton or Witter would KO Rabah too, not just make him quit.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Feb 2007, 09:14

That's a very simplistic view Max, and an incorrect one.

Fighters often have to take late notice fights if they are not the draw, as it is the only way they can get an opportunity. If you are not a big name fighter, opportunities only come your way once in a while, and often you have to grab that opportunity, even if it is not ideal.

In Witter's case, the problem was not that he took the fight late, it's the fact that what he did was embarrass Judah and his promoters, their annoyance is what cost him a large swathe of his career, fighting in obscurity, because allegedly and Jay Larkin were on very good terms, and Warren felt embarrassed that Witter had made him look bad in front of his associate.

At the end of the day, N'dou I think deserves a break, I would prefer to see titles won and lost in the ring, but it has become almost par for the course now for fighters to get given belts by sanctioning bodies. As champion, N'dou is going to get the chance to call the shots a bit more, and it will be interesting to see how much better he fares when he has time to prepare for his title fights. Good luck to him I say. He's always given it a good shot when he's been presented with an opportunity, and has never turned up just to be the fall guy, and that for me is an admirable quality.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 20 Feb 2007, 09:17

Max Molyneux wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:He didn't win those fights regardless.

To just hand him a belt without fighting for It, Insults his ability to win one.
You don't seem to get it, do you? It's hard enough beating those fighters when you're 100% fit and had a thorough preparation. Look at the way he took all those middle rounds off Witter. There was real skill and toughness in there by N'dou. A lot of ppl say he deserved to beat Mitchell. And he just stopped a very difficult Rabah.

I didn't justify the IBF giving him the title. It was stupid to take a belt off the clear #1 in the division (shades of Marquez). The IBF decided afterward that because Hatton didn't intend to make his mandatory that the N'dou-Rabah BECAME a bout for the vacant title.
It his own fault and choice to take these fights on late notice, Witter learned that when he lost to Judah. No Sympathy there If he chooses to do that and really he lost to the better men on those nights.

I don't get what exactly?

Hatton or Witter would KO Rabah too, not just make him quit.

I don't mean to be un PC, but you're a f ucking spastic

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 20 Feb 2007, 09:18

I believe that N'Dou would be a potential banana skin at this stage of Hatton's career; he could be the one to burst Ricky's increasingly fragile bubble if Castillo doesnt do it first

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 20 Feb 2007, 09:41

viciousmaussa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:You don't seem to get it, do you? It's hard enough beating those fighters when you're 100% fit and had a thorough preparation. Look at the way he took all those middle rounds off Witter. There was real skill and toughness in there by N'dou. A lot of ppl say he deserved to beat Mitchell. And he just stopped a very difficult Rabah.

I didn't justify the IBF giving him the title. It was stupid to take a belt off the clear #1 in the division (shades of Marquez). The IBF decided afterward that because Hatton didn't intend to make his mandatory that the N'dou-Rabah BECAME a bout for the vacant title.
It his own fault and choice to take these fights on late notice, Witter learned that when he lost to Judah. No Sympathy there If he chooses to do that and really he lost to the better men on those nights.

I don't get what exactly?

Hatton or Witter would KO Rabah too, not just make him quit.
I don't mean to be un PC, but you're a f ucking spastic

Resort to all you like, It's my opinion.

Your just a whiner when someone doesn't share your opinion.

You waste your own time Insulting people for opinions.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 20 Feb 2007, 09:47

jamesmcdonnell wrote:That's a very simplistic view Max, and an incorrect one.

Fighters often have to take late notice fights if they are not the draw, as it is the only way they can get an opportunity. If you are not a big name fighter, opportunities only come your way once in a while, and often you have to grab that opportunity, even if it is not ideal.

In Witter's case, the problem was not that he took the fight late, it's the fact that what he did was embarrass Judah and his promoters, their annoyance is what cost him a large swathe of his career, fighting in obscurity, because allegedly allegedly and Jay Larkin were on very good terms, and Warren felt embarrassed that Witter had made him look bad in front of his associate.

At the end of the day, N'dou I think deserves a break, I would prefer to see titles won and lost in the ring, but it has become almost par for the course now for fighters to get given belts by sanctioning bodies. As champion, N'dou is going to get the chance to call the shots a bit more, and it will be interesting to see how much better he fares when he has time to prepare for his title fights. Good luck to him I say. He's always given it a good shot when he's been presented with an opportunity, and has never turned up just to be the fall guy, and that for me is an admirable quality.

I understand that they may have to take the late notice fights because they can't afford to miss the payday though.

Simplistic yes but It's their choice like I said. Nothing wrong with taking the risk If they can feel they might win, but people like Maussa use these as excuses to why they lose and still repeat stuff like some say he won that fight.
They took the risk and lost, no excuses really.

Sadly not seen the Judah fight but American's won't forget him supposedly running.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 20 Feb 2007, 10:06

Which fights did Ndou take on late notice? Obviously the Witter one but what about Cotto/Mitchell? If he took those on late notice his performance looks better and better.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Feb 2007, 10:20

I believe that the Cotto one was late notice. I think he had two weeks to prepare. Wasn't Cotto originally scheduled to face someone else?

Roars Like Me · Post by **Roars Like Me** » 20 Feb 2007, 11:19

Kinda paper. The IBF were trying to sanction it for the belt as they were waiting for Hatton to 'decide' who was next.
If Hatton had pulled his finger out, it would have been for thre title.
So near as damn it full champ!

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