Khan

[emma]

Until then save your hate-filled critisism, and that doesn't include what you see in corner shops and airports - that just exposes your pea-size mentality!

What the f#ck does this mean??!

I think hes insuniating were racist against Pakistanis. Now if a Pakistani makes the same critiscisms and hope Khan gets KTFO are they racist too? As I know plenty of Pakistanis that feel that way, partly because of jealousy but also because of the feeling of unearned success too and the contrived nature of his career.

I'd still say the same thing if Khan was white.

Its got nothing to do with race and all to do with HYPE!

[Wassup]

What the f#ck does this mean??!

I think hes insuniating were racist against Pakistanis. Now if a Pakistani makes the same critiscisms and hope Khan gets KTFO are they racist too? As I know plenty of Pakistanis that feel that way, partly because of jealousy but also because of the feeling of unearned success too and the contrived nature of his career.

I'd still say the same thing if Khan was white.

Its got nothing to do with race and all to do with HYPE!

Eamma, he was referring "corner shops" which mean paki.

[Top Dog]

What the f#ck does this mean??!

I think hes insuniating were racist against Pakistanis. Now if a Pakistani makes the same critiscisms and hope Khan gets KTFO are they racist too? As I know plenty of Pakistanis that feel that way, partly because of jealousy but also because of the feeling of unearned success too and the contrived nature of his career.

I'd still say the same thing if Khan was white.

Its got nothing to do with race and all to do with HYPE!

What a fuckin clown this guy is you say something about a boxer, and because hes asian, it must be racist Get off your fuckin high horse for fucks sake. I cant be doing with all that shit. Boo hoo theyre picking on me cause I'm asian pish. Get your head out of the clown halfwitt

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I think hes insuniating were racist against Pakistanis. Now if a Pakistani makes the same critiscisms and hope Khan gets KTFO are they racist too? As I know plenty of Pakistanis that feel that way, partly because of jealousy but also because of the feeling of unearned success too and the contrived nature of his career.

I'd still say the same thing if Khan was white.

Its got nothing to do with race and all to do with HYPE!

Eamma, he was referring "corner shops" which mean paki.

The only time someone mentioned 'corner shops' was when they were discussing 1 of their few interactions of Asian culture. Don't be so sensitive this forum isn't racist (some such as ESB are) and doesn't have a problem with Khans race/religion.

This forum will criticise every single boxer who delivers less than promised because thats what boxing forums do. Amir is no exception to this rule.

[overhand_right]

Until then save your hate-filled critisism, and that doesn't include what you see in corner shops and airports - that just exposes your pea-size mentality!

What the f#ck does this mean??!

I think hes insuniating were racist against Pakistanis. Now if a Pakistani makes the same critiscisms and hope Khan gets KTFO are they racist too? As I know plenty of Pakistanis that feel that way, partly because of jealousy but also because of the feeling of unearned success too and the contrived nature of his career.

When in doubt or on to a losing argument, always play the race card!

Two of my absolute closest buddies in the world are muslim lads of Pakistani descent, one of ems like my little bro. I watched Khans fight with Martynov with one if them and he rightly thought Khan and the whole set up was a pile of bollocks.

If you dislike Khan, its not because of the endless set up fights, the PR overload, the claims of being world champ by the end of the year despite fighting bums, no, its purely because hes asian and we're all racist neo nazi's!

[fist]

It makes me laugh when Khan scores these 1st rd KOs and the ITV crew make it out as if Khan can punch. Remember Vitali Martynov who Khan iced with 1 shot? And McGuigan said "look at his record! he obviously can fight!" and Rawling/Rosenthal said "and they said Khan cant punch!"... Martynov has subsequently been knocked out in 1 rd on 3 or 4 occasions, most laughably by a 40 year old Polish journeyman called Snarski, who has a grand total of 4 KOs in 50 fights and ive seen fight in the flesh and he is useless.

Yes SUBSEQUENTLY, but when Martynov fought Khan he had only previously lost once (round three TKO). Your statement is meaningless in the sense that it is intended. At the time of the fight there was little evidence to suggest he may be an easy knockdown, likewise, there was some evidence to suggest he may not be an easy knockdown. Your point is absolute crap. Unless you are an avid fan of Martynov you have gone and personally looked at his record to see if he is a suitable candidate to evidence your belief that Khan's opponents are easy knockovers, yet all you have discovered is that since the Khan fight Martynov has been knocked out several times and you have failed to acknowledge that Martynov was only knocked out once prior to the Khan fight.

There IS evidence to suggest that KHAN has a decent dig on him, he is looking powerful and increasing in strength all the time. Plus as everyone knows, he is very fast - speed makes power. So far so good. Yes, continue to knock his opponents if you feel they are not sufficient competition, but its silly to criticise Khan on how to-date he has handled the fights put in front of him. He personally, seems to be trying his best and enjoying the sport - all good.

In terms of the criticism of the quality he has faced, well each fighter is a seperate subjective argument and I personally do not feel they have all been useless tests. I also feel happy with the speed that they are bringing him along, there is no rush whatsoever. He's only had 11 fights and his staff have a duty to analse his ability and create matches within his capability. To-date he has gone the distance three time, indicating that they were balanced according to his ability and of course he has also scored plenty of TKOs, which may well be a result of his ability, not just poor competition. In terms of whether his capability is world class, well they can only wait, hope and see, but there is sufficient in his amateur record, Olympic feat and current pro record to suggest he is a good prospect, particularly as he also displays speed, power, desire and skill.

[Top Dog]

Mate, is easily looking good against smaller, weaker, lighter, non-punching opponents. And as for your bit about Olympians, we'll I can only say Audley Harrison The amateurs is a million miles away from pro, and IMO he is still to get any sort of decent learning curve

[shoutout]

I prefer substance over hype. And when a kid keeps beating up weak super feathers unimpressively, the sheer force of the future champ, future great, biography out, DVD out, no nothing tabloid hype, no nothing terrestrial tv hype, allegedly allegedly allegedly dodgy match making strategy and the kid himself running his mouth about being champ by the end of the year, its enough to make me spew my breakfast and eagerly await one of these imported bums to accidentally lay one on his wide open chin and end all this nonsense.

We're all hardcores, but how many of you have mates who have zero interest/knowledge of boxing, yet tell you how good Amir Khan is and tell you that hes gonna be world champ...? I do and it drives me frickin loopy!!

My guess is he won't even fight Thaxton for the British title.

if his ambitions are international, as he claims,,,then why would he even bother woth a british title?!? too many countries put too much emphasis on their "national" titles but american boxers have gotten along just fine without them for over 100 years!!

[Autobarn]

natural way to step up gradually

I don't think American boxers have much to fight for if they're not world class. Unless they can put on FOTY level fights every time out and/or find a world class fighter that will fight down to them (i.e. Ward, vs Gatti).

from a British viewpoint, surely he has to beat the best in the UK. Khan's fighting in England so that should be good enough for him.

boxing's all about levels. there are worthy levels below world class - not everyone can be a world beater. there's a great tradition of British title fights. Minter may have briefly held the world middle crown. but he was taken to the limit in 2 or 3 great fights with Kevin Finnegan.

Conteh won the world light heavy title, but many would argue his finest hours was vs Chris Finnegan.


Thaxton is a fine British level fighter. He's finally got that British title - after outclassing the promising Lee Meager - giving him even more to fight for & making him more dangerous. Thaxton nearly stopped Ricky Hatton in their British title fight. Hatton needed those kind of tests, IMO. Many believe Thaxton would beat Khan, and Khan has it all to prove at this level.

There are genuinely compelling fights out there for Khan. Thaxton is one. Meager, Dany Hunt, Earl would be acceptable. European champion - and fellow WORLD CLASS prospect Yuri Romanov is an irresistable one.

If he's going to be world class, surely he has to show he can beat some of these guys convincingly.

I believe Khan has the talent. And I know Warren won't let him do an Audley. Hopefully he takes the proper, traditional route. Otherwise, it will be the WBU route, meaning NO GOOD FIGHTS - rather, lots of cagey Europeans and Argentinians who can't crack an egg! Those crappy WBU fights will teach him how to cut the ring off, how to hit an elusive target, but there will be zero adversity.

[overhand_right]

Your statement is meaningless in the sense that it is intended. .

Mate cut all this wannabe intellectual bollocks and speak like a human FFS. This is boxing not thermo nuclear dynamics.

My point is the guy Martynov is a bum who cant fight or take a punch, and the win was meaningless. There was evidence beforehand he would be an easy win because videotape would display clearly what we all saw, he couldnt fight at all.

Put any spin on it you like, his opponents are pathetic & most people round here can see it clear as day. Go write a Khan puff piece for all the middle aged middle class boxing laymen who read The Guardian and think that young Amir is such a nice chap.

[overhand_right]

Mate, is easily looking good against smaller, weaker, lighter, non-punching opponents. And as for your bit about Olympians, we'll I can only say Audley Harrison The amateurs is a million miles away from pro, and IMO he is still to get any sort of decent learning curve

Mate you summarised Amirs situation in 1 sentence. This guy 'Fist' hasn't got a scoobies either that or hes seriously deluded, there's no point wasting your time.

[shoutout]

natural way to step up gradually

I don't think American boxers have much to fight for if they're not world class. Unless they can put on FOTY level fights every time out and/or find a world class fighter that will fight down to them (i.e. Ward, vs Gatti).

from a British viewpoint, surely he has to beat the best in the UK. Khan's fighting in England so that should be good enough for him.

boxing's all about levels. there are worthy levels below world class - not everyone can be a world beater. there's a great tradition of British title fights. Minter may have briefly held the world middle crown. but he was taken to the limit in 2 or 3 great fights with Kevin Finnegan.

Conteh won the world light heavy title, but many would argue his finest hours was vs Chris Finnegan.


Thaxton is a fine British level fighter. He's finally got that British title - after outclassing the promising Lee Meager - giving him even more to fight for & making him more dangerous. Thaxton nearly stopped Ricky Hatton in their British title fight. Hatton needed those kind of tests, IMO. Many believe Thaxton would beat Khan, and Khan has it all to prove at this level.

There are genuinely compelling fights out there for Khan. Thaxton is one. Meager, Dany Hunt, Earl would be acceptable. European champion - and fellow WORLD CLASS prospect Yuri Romanov is an irresistable one.

If he's going to be world class, surely he has to show he can beat some of these guys convincingly.

I believe Khan has the talent. And I know Warren won't let him do an Audley. Hopefully he takes the proper, traditional route. Otherwise, it will be the WBU route, meaning NO GOOD FIGHTS - rather, lots of cagey Europeans and Argentinians who can't crack an egg! Those crappy WBU fights will teach him how to cut the ring off, how to hit an elusive target, but there will be zero adversity.

i see your point...i guess there is a tradition validating national titles in certain countries like britain. but in western hemisphere, they dont seem to mean as much...not just usa but mexico as well---most of the international stars from mexico never bothered with mexican titles!! in fact there is a relevant item right now on fightnews.com lamenting how manny pacquiao's next foe (jorge solis) is basically unknown, even in mexico---altho he is 32-0-2 and holds the national title!!

so IMO national titles are DEFINITELY important to those who will never be world-class, i just question their value for those like khan whose ambitions are clearly (and realistically) international...

[shoutout]

Mate, is easily looking good against smaller, weaker, lighter, non-punching opponents. And as for your bit about Olympians, we'll I can only say Audley Harrison The amateurs is a million miles away from pro, and IMO he is still to get any sort of decent learning curve

i agree that there is a much greater chasm between the pros and amateurs now than their was even 10-15 years ago & part of that is rule changes since the advent of computerized scoring (i.e., ignoring body punches and combos, stopping fights due to a fighter being "outclassed", etc)...

even so, i think too many here at boxrec (especially brits) are allowing fraudley's colossal pro failure to cause them to underestimate khan!!