Gunn, Booth, Warren, Haye...and daft Chris Eubank

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 22 Feb 2007, 12:30

Productive afternoon over at BBN.

You've got to love Eubank's banner.

http://www.britishboxing.net/

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 22 Feb 2007, 12:36

Neither Enzo or Warren made reference to Cantatore, no?

Top 15 from the WBC is an interesting fight for Haye, if it comes off. It rules out Gammer. Virchis, Bonin (however he gets 12) or Vidoz seem the most likely. Can't see many US fighters coming across to fight an unranked, dangerous opponent.

1 .- Samuel Peter (Nigeria) NABF
2 .- Sinan Samil Sam (Turkey) INTL
3 .- James Toney (US)
4 .- Vladimir Virchis (Ukraine) EBU
5 .- Oliver McCall (US) FECARBOX
6 .- Hasim Rahman (US)
7 .- Tony Thompson (US) AMERICA
8 .- Donnell Holmes (US)
9 .- Alexander Dimitrenko (Ukraine)
10 .- Lamon Brewster (US)
11 .- Evander Holyfield (US)
12 .- Tomasz Bonin (Poland)
13 .- Paolo Vidoz (Italy)
14 .- Chris Byrd (US)
15 .- JD Chapman (US) LATINO

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Feb 2007, 12:46

What about Chapman?

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 22 Feb 2007, 12:59

Here's Bobby Gunn's record:

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=287895

At only 5'11, Gunn will giving away around 6in in height to Macarinelli, & will probably also be the smaller man. I do not see this as much of a test for Enzo at all.

Interesting to hear allegedly allegedly feels Haye cannot make 200lbs limit anymore. Will Haye fight @ Cruiserweight again? I for one hope he does. He's the mandatory for the WBC. It would be a shame to come all this way & then not fight for a world title @ Cruiser.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 22 Feb 2007, 13:01

Although Eubank's banner did raise a smile, it shows that you can't just go up to london and protest anywhere near Whitehall or Downing Street.

Which makes a complete mockery of free speech.

Ok and if Haye fights a top 15 heavy straight away then he's a fool (Although a very brave fool).
He's got to get used to the weight, the strength of the heavies. He should be meeting a couple of trailhorses at the new weight first.
What happens if he goes in with one of the heavies in the top 15, gets sparked, thats his career over.

states · Post by **states** » 22 Feb 2007, 13:03

I know Gunn and his team have to give it the old 'we're coming to take the title' routine, but how much better would it be if they were honest? I'd love to see the look on Frank's face if Gunn stood up at the final press conference and said to the assembled journos : "Look lads, you all know I'm hopeless. I haven't got a fornicating chance, and I just hope I make it out of the first round. God knows what I'm doing fighting for a 'world title', even one as dodgy as Enzo's. I have no chance of taking his punch, and I just hope I get home safely. Pray for me."

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 22 Feb 2007, 13:43

topper123 wrote:Although Eubank's banner did raise a smile, it shows that you can't just go up to london and protest anywhere near Whitehall or Downing Street.

Which makes a complete mockery of free speech.

Ok and if Haye fights a top 15 heavy straight away then he's a fool (Although a very brave fool).
He's got to get used to the weight, the strength of the heavies. He should be meeting a couple of trailhorses at the new weight first.
What happens if he goes in with one of the heavies in the top 15, gets sparked, thats his career over.

I don't agree that Haye's a fool. It will (if it happens) make a change from the usual crappy, bullshit fights we see at HW all the time.
If he gets sparked against a world ranked HW it will be no more 'an end to his career' than it was when Carl Thompson did a number on him.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Feb 2007, 14:16

states wrote:I know Gunn and his team have to give it the old 'we're coming to take the title' routine, but how much better would it be if they were honest? I'd love to see the look on Frank's face if Gunn stood up at the final press conference and said to the assembled journos : "Look lads, you all know I'm hopeless. I haven't got a effing chance, and I just hope I make it out of the first round. God knows what I'm doing fighting for a 'world title', even one as dodgy as Enzo's. I have no chance of taking his punch, and I just hope I get home safely. Pray for me."

I'd pay bloody good money to see that happen. Perhaps someone should attend a press conference with blowdarts tipped with sodium pentathol....

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 22 Feb 2007, 14:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
states wrote:I know Gunn and his team have to give it the old 'we're coming to take the title' routine, but how much better would it be if they were honest? I'd love to see the look on Frank's face if Gunn stood up at the final press conference and said to the assembled journos : "Look lads, you all know I'm hopeless. I haven't got a effing chance, and I just hope I make it out of the first round. God knows what I'm doing fighting for a 'world title', even one as dodgy as Enzo's. I have no chance of taking his punch, and I just hope I get home safely. Pray for me."
I'd pay bloody good money to see that happen. Perhaps someone should attend a press conference with blowdarts tipped with sodium pentathol....

sodium pentothal (thiopentone) would do nothing on a blow dart. you need 20 mls (500 mg) of it intravenously to put a normal sized male adult to sleep !!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Feb 2007, 14:32

Ok a bloody javelin then!

theguru · Post by **theguru** » 22 Feb 2007, 15:27

oh rhino you are such a know it all

rhino222 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
states wrote:I know Gunn and his team have to give it the old 'we're coming to take the title' routine, but how much better would it be if they were honest? I'd love to see the look on Frank's face if Gunn stood up at the final press conference and said to the assembled journos : "Look lads, you all know I'm hopeless. I haven't got a effing chance, and I just hope I make it out of the first round. God knows what I'm doing fighting for a 'world title', even one as dodgy as Enzo's. I have no chance of taking his punch, and I just hope I get home safely. Pray for me."
I'd pay bloody good money to see that happen. Perhaps someone should attend a press conference with blowdarts tipped with sodium pentathol....
sodium pentothal (thiopentone) would do nothing on a blow dart. you need 20 mls (500 mg) of it intravenously to put a normal sized male adult to sleep !!

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 22 Feb 2007, 17:50

Taki... wrote:
topper123 wrote:Although Eubank's banner did raise a smile, it shows that you can't just go up to london and protest anywhere near Whitehall or Downing Street.

Which makes a complete mockery of free speech.

Ok and if Haye fights a top 15 heavy straight away then he's a fool (Although a very brave fool).
He's got to get used to the weight, the strength of the heavies. He should be meeting a couple of trailhorses at the new weight first.
What happens if he goes in with one of the heavies in the top 15, gets sparked, thats his career over.
I don't agree that Haye's a fool. It will (if it happens) make a change from the usual crappy, bullshit fights we see at HW all the time.
If he gets sparked against a world ranked HW it will be no more 'an end to his career' than it was when Carl Thompson did a number on him.

When Haye fought Thompson he was a novice, Haye is now rated NO1 by the WBC and is the Euro champ, so all he has to do is have a couple of mark time fights at around the cruiser limit. then fight the champ.
But instead he trying to jump up to heavy and take on a top 15 in that division, if he loses i can't see Haye holding his NO1 ranking anymore, even though its a weight division down.

He can then say goodbye to a world title shot, and also any big paydays at Heavy.

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 22 Feb 2007, 19:38

topper123 wrote:
Taki... wrote:
topper123 wrote:Although Eubank's banner did raise a smile, it shows that you can't just go up to london and protest anywhere near Whitehall or Downing Street.

Which makes a complete mockery of free speech.

Ok and if Haye fights a top 15 heavy straight away then he's a fool (Although a very brave fool).
He's got to get used to the weight, the strength of the heavies. He should be meeting a couple of trailhorses at the new weight first.
What happens if he goes in with one of the heavies in the top 15, gets sparked, thats his career over.
I don't agree that Haye's a fool. It will (if it happens) make a change from the usual crappy, bullshit fights we see at HW all the time.
If he gets sparked against a world ranked HW it will be no more 'an end to his career' than it was when Carl Thompson did a number on him.
When Haye fought Thompson he was a novice, Haye is now rated NO1 by the WBC and is the Euro champ, so all he has to do is have a couple of mark time fights at around the cruiser limit. then fight the champ.
But instead he trying to jump up to heavy and take on a top 15 in that division, if he loses i can't see Haye holding his NO1 ranking anymore, even though its a weight division down.

He can then say goodbye to a world title shot, and also any big paydays at Heavy.

He's looking at maybe a year after Mormeck/Bell before he even gets a shot. Apart from those two (and Enzo, who allegedly is too busy matching against bums) there are no fights, no meaningful fights, out there for him. Even if he gets sparked, he can come back and is still guaranteed a shot because he won an eliminator at Cruiser (note; not at heavy). I'm not convinced we'll ever see Haye fight for the Cruiser title now anyway. Makes a nice change to see a fighter trying to push ahead with his career instead of fighting non-entities waiting around for a title shot to come along.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 Feb 2007, 21:26

How the hell did Bonin get that high In the WBC?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 23 Feb 2007, 04:21

Well after seeing the pics of Haye i'm guessing he's never going to make Cruiser again, but i still say he's going to struggle if he trys to go in right at the deep end of the heavys.
I fully respect Haye, for the way he's gone about things, and he has great confidence in his own ability, and i'm also sometimes very wrong with my predictions ( I thought Audley was going to make it)