The Ring top 100 punchers

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 30 Aug 2003, 14:15

The Ring have just brought out a magazine listing their top 100 punchers ever. Two Brits crack their top 12:

1. Joe Louis
2. Sam Langford
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Archie Moore
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Stanley Ketchel
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. George Foreman
10. Earnie Shavers
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
12. Ruben Olivares

scurlaruntings · Post by **scurlaruntings** » 31 Aug 2003, 15:01

bennie wrote:The Ring have just brought out a magazine listing their top 100 punchers ever. Two Brits crack their top 12:

1. Joe Louis
2. Sam Langford
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Archie Moore
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Stanley Ketchel
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. George Foreman
10. Earnie Shavers
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
12. Ruben Olivares

this was stupid!! iron mike was no where near the top 10??????? thats like a concorde trying to fly with no dam wings.P4P punching = mike tyson period

tea · Post by **tea** » 31 Aug 2003, 17:32

WOULD YOU B ABLE TO GET HOLD OF ALL 100.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 31 Aug 2003, 18:30

tea wrote:WOULD YOU B ABLE TO GET HOLD OF ALL 100.

1. Joe Louis
2. Sam Langford
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Archie Moore
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Stanley Ketchel
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. George Foreman
10. Earnie Shavers
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
12. Ruben Olivares
13. Wilfredo Gomez
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Sonny Liston
16. Mike Tyson
17. Bob Foster
18. Thomas Hearns
19. Khoasai Galaxy
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Carlos Zarate
22. Max Baer
23. Rocky Graziano
24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
25. Julian Jackson
26. Danny Lopez
27. Gerald McClellan
28. Roberto Duran
29. Rodrigo Valdes
30. Felix Trinidad
31. Pipino Cuevas
32. Jim Jeffries
33. Lennox Lewis
34. Bennie Briscoe
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Edwin Rosario
37. Tommy Ryan
38. John Mugabi
39. Joe Frazier
40. Carlos Monzon
41. Tony Zale
42. Michael Spinks
43. Joe Gans
44. Elmer "Violent" Ray
45. George Godfrey
46. Naseem Hamed
47. Alfonso Zamora
48. David Tua
49. Cleveland Williams
50. Julio Cesar Chavez
51. Tiger Jack Fox
52. Joe Walcott
53. Gerry Cooney
54. Al "Bummy" Davis
55. Max Schmeling
56. Florentino Fernandez
57. Henry Armstrong
58. Bob Satterfield
59. Al Hostak
60. Jesus Pimentel
61. Eugene "Cyclone" Hart
62. Lew Jenkins
63. Harry Wills
64. Tom Sharkey
65. Terry McGovern
66. Jersey Joe Walcott
67. Kostya Tszyu
68. Leotis Martin
69. Buddy Baer
70. Razor Ruddock
71. Jose Luis Ramirez
72. Tommy Gomez
73. Jose Napoles
74. Charles "Kid" McCoy
75. Antonio Esparragoza
76. Ricardo Moreno
77. Evander Holyfield
78. Ike Williams
79. Luis Firpo
80. Ricardo Lopez
81. Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez
82. Bobby Chacon
83. Jock McAvoy
84. Eduardo Lausse
85. Eder Jofre
86. Charley Burley
87. Mike McCallum
88. Salvador Sanchez
89. Roy Jones
90. Rodolfo Gonzalez
91. Nigel Benn
92. "Irish" Bob Murphy
93. Paul Berlenbach
94. Battling Torres
95. Chalky Wright
96. George "KO" Chaney
97. Andy Ganigan
98. Fred Fulton
99. Ingemar Johansson
100. Charley White

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 31 Aug 2003, 18:39

That's a scary bunch of names

I'd rank Naz much higher than that though, P4P he probably hit harder than a lot of the names above him.
Whatever his other faults, there were probably few featherweights who hit harder than him - Saddler, Little Red Lopez, Arguello...maybe Nelson?

Duran at 28 is strange too - a legend but never really called a one punch ko artist

Tyson KTFO 3 Times · Post by **Tyson KTFO 3 Times** » 01 Sep 2003, 04:36

My question is why is Hearns so low.?

P4P he should be much closer to the top.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 01 Sep 2003, 05:49

MightyWarrior wrote:That's a scary bunch of names

I'd rank Naz much higher than that though, P4P he probably hit harder than a lot of the names above him.
Whatever his other faults, there were probably few featherweights who hit harder than him - Saddler, Little Red Lopez, Arguello...maybe Nelson?

Duran at 28 is strange too - a legend but never really called a one punch ko artist

I would put Terry McGovern on that list of feathers with crushing power, but I am a little bias with that view...he he he

Jim Jeffries looks a little high on that list, I was always led to believe that her relied on strength to wear people down, not one punch power.
I would also have Hagler and Cooney rated lower but all in all its a good list and a nicely put together suevenir addition from The Ring.
I usually don't buy The Ring as it is so out of date by the time it reaches these shores.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 04 Sep 2003, 01:58

at lightheavyweight ezzard charles belongs in here. which begs the question...then who has to come out to make room? I'd say Leotis Martin.

DIRT SUGAR · Post by **DIRT SUGAR** » 04 Sep 2003, 05:49

These kind of lists pee me right off. They're a waste of time.

I'll ask this:

WHERE THE HELL IS AZUMAH NELSON?

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 04 Sep 2003, 10:12

Considering it's meant to be pound for pound there are far, far too many heavyweights high up on the list. I'm sick of the constant bias towards heavyweights in so many pound for pound and all-time lists. I expect it from the general public, who are largely ignorant of the finer points of the game, but not from supposed experts.
For me, Julian Jackson is way too low at 25 as well. He was murderous (remember that Herol Graham knockout?)

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 04 Sep 2003, 10:37

bollocks wrote:It's much harder for the smaller guys to achieve a KO.

That's my whole point. Although it's much harder for them, quite a few of the greats from the lower weight divisions have managed to achieve KO percentages that match or exceed their heavyweight counterparts. Surely this in itself is proof that in pound-for-pound terms more deserve to be up there.

Hut*Hut · Post by **Hut*Hut** » 04 Sep 2003, 14:02

That list is utter garbage.

Marciano above Tyson, Dempsey above Shavers? Baer over Jackson?

Hagler above Hamed??!! What the snorting fornicate?

Ring magazine is all over the place...

Hut*Hut · Post by **Hut*Hut** » 04 Sep 2003, 14:48

Here would be a more reasonable one, IMO (roughly)

01-Shavers
02-Jackson
03-Saddler
04-Wilde
05-Tua
06-Hearnes
07-Hamed
08-Galaxy
09-McCleland
10-Mugabi
11-Robinson
12-Foreman
13-Zarate
14-Foster
15-Ketchel
16-Gomez
17-Trinadad
18-Oliveras
19-Roberto Duran
20-Mike Tyson

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 04 Sep 2003, 14:50

Hut*Hut wrote:Here would be a more reasonable one, IMO (roughly)

01-Shavers
02-Jackson
03-Saddler
04-Wilde
05-Tua
06-Hearnes
07-Hamed
08-Galaxy
09-McCleland
10-Mugabi
11-Robinson
12-Foreman
13-Zarate
14-Foster
15-Ketchel
16-Gomez
17-Trinadad
18-Oliveras
19-Roberto Duran
20-Mike Tyson

Tua I would dispute, but not the rest. Good list.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 04 Sep 2003, 16:39

These lists cannot be taken as anything more than a bit of fun IMO as these things are predominently subjective. Hearns is ludicrously low as is Tyson, on Hut Hut's list i would dispute Duran higher than Tyson and i would probably choose Wilde as my highest followed by Louis and Saddler.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 04 Sep 2003, 16:49

You could argue these type of lists for the next 100 years.

Who's to say Shavers hit any harder than Foreman for instance, or even Tyson for that matter? There can't have been much in it.
And many fighters would tell you that Liston or Louis' jabs were harder than most right hands.

Duran was never know as a big puncher, not that he even needed one, just like JC Chavez.

Danny Lopez, Arguello, my man Cuevas! Truly big punchers all of them.
Don't forget Ray Leonard could take people out with either hand too.

Hut*Hut, haven't seen you around since secondsout.com 8)

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 05 Sep 2003, 02:26

once again...like all these lists..the fighters selected are reasonable choices.....but PUTTING THEM IN ORDER BY POWER IS NONSENSE.Just can't be done. did Cleveland Williams have more power than Jimmy Wilde or less? A ridiculous question. Just read the list as one hundered guys who were good bangers and let it go at that...maybe adding a few names of your own.

Which reminds me...was lew jenkins on the list....I'm not going to scroll back and see. if he wasn't...a major flaw. if he was....nice to know someone knows whatg he's talking about.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 05 Sep 2003, 11:23

Jaclem wrote:once again...like all these lists..the fighters selected are reasonable choices.....but PUTTING THEM IN ORDER BY POWER IS NONSENSE.Just can't be done. did Cleveland Williams have more power than Jimmy Wilde or less? A ridiculous question. Just read the list as one hundered guys who were good bangers and let it go at that...maybe adding a few names of your own.

Which reminds me...was lew jenkins on the list....I'm not going to scroll back and see. if he wasn't...a major flaw. if he was....nice to know someone knows whatg he's talking about.

Exactly what i was trying to say, a list is fine but putting them in order is criminal. I suppose these things are designed to spark controversy and that's just what they do.

Chambers · Post by **Chambers** » 05 Sep 2003, 11:43

steve689 wrote:
Jaclem wrote:once again...like all these lists..the fighters selected are reasonable choices.....but PUTTING THEM IN ORDER BY POWER IS NONSENSE.Just can't be done. did Cleveland Williams have more power than Jimmy Wilde or less? A ridiculous question. Just read the list as one hundered guys who were good bangers and let it go at that...maybe adding a few names of your own.

Which reminds me...was lew jenkins on the list....I'm not going to scroll back and see. if he wasn't...a major flaw. if he was....nice to know someone knows whatg he's talking about.
Exactly what i was trying to say, a list is fine but putting them in order is criminal. I suppose these things are designed to spark controversy and that's just what they do.

Agreed.

Wolves are shit

Hut*Hut · Post by **Hut*Hut** » 05 Sep 2003, 12:04

steve689 wrote:These lists cannot be taken as anything more than a bit of fun IMO as these things are predominently subjective. Hearns is ludicrously low as is Tyson, on Hut Hut's list i would dispute Duran higher than Tyson and i would probably choose Wilde as my highest followed by Louis and Saddler.

Tyson KOd people with speed as much as power IMO. Lewis hits as hard.

Obviously the very concept of making a list like this is kinda absurd but if your gonna do it you may as well make a fornicating half way decent job of it, especially if your a payed journalist and professed expert.

Louis wouldn't be on my list cause many heavyweights have had more raw power than him...even Gerry Cooney or Razor Ruddock probably hit harder.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 06 Sep 2003, 01:44

I find it intriguing that hut hut doesn't have joe louis listed in his top one hundred power punchers. I am look forward to further posts from him saying Willie Pep was awkward, Jake Lamotta had a glass jaw and Lennox Lewis is too short to tangle with heavyweights.

Tomato-Can · Post by **Tomato-Can** » 06 Sep 2003, 07:14

Jaclem wrote:I find it intriguing that hut hut doesn't have joe louis listed in his top one hundred power punchers. I am look forward to further posts from him saying Willie Pep was awkward, Jake Lamotta had a glass jaw and Lennox Lewis is too short to tangle with heavyweights.

....Marvin Hagler did'nt train, Ismael Laguna was slow, Ray Robinson was one dimensional, Henry Armstrong was a coward....

BTW- Where's Maxie Rosenbloom on these power punchers lists?

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 06 Sep 2003, 07:55

Jaclem wrote:I find it intriguing that hut hut doesn't have joe louis listed in his top one hundred power punchers. I am look forward to further posts from him saying Willie Pep was awkward, Jake Lamotta had a glass jaw and Lennox Lewis is too short to tangle with heavyweights.

Yes, to exclude Joe Louis is totally wrong.
The inevitable thing about these lists, given the workings of the memory, is that some only remember great knockouts scored by fighters of the more modern era, and fighters before that are forgotten and, worse, often dismissed. But they punched just as hard - or in the case of Louis - harder than fighters that came afterwards. Joe licked many of his opponents before they even stepped in a ring with him. Liston and Tyson did the same for a while, but, unlike those two, Louis was not found wanting when an opponent stood up and fought back. Yes, he was knocked out by Max Schmeling in 1936, but took his lumps like a man - and we all know how he rebounded! His 136-second destruction of Max two years later remains one of the most frightening displays of punching ever seen. Schmeling, alive and well today, still feels the body shot that made him cry out in pain that night.
Joe dominated the heavyweight division in a way no other fighter has dominated it. He was world champion for over 10 years and made more title defences than any man in boxing history - 25 of them - 22 by way of knockout. He fought a few bums of course, but only because he beat the best in other defences. It was the way he beat them, too. He broke them up. His sickening jab paved the way for brutal hooks and uppercuts until opponents were literally driven into the canvas. His short left hook was one of the finest punches ever seen. I've actually never seen anyone who has been able to reproduce that shot. Yes, they throw left hooks, but they're wide in comparison to Joe's.
Finally, at the age of 37, forced back to the sport in an effort to clear tax debts, Joe was knocked out of the ring by Rocky Marciano and out of the sport for good. Reporters wept openly at the manner of his defeat.
"That's all right," he told them. "I've knocked out lots of guys."

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 06 Sep 2003, 08:26

I have seen the list before and I don't know what to make of it.

Do you have to be a world class fighter to be on that list?

Look at the list and you see two world rated British fighters of the 1990's on there (Benn and Hamed) and I agree both had dynamite punches. However, I'm sure the likes of Bennie and the other British boxing Journo's would say that the hardest punching British fighter P4P in the 90's was Ensley Bingham. Perhaps, I'm wrong with the statement (I think he should be though). So really then shouldn't Ensely be on that list.

Other fighters who were robbed of a place were Colin Jones and Don Curry (Curry especially had under-rated power). Jones had the famous punch, but yet it was Curry who KO'd McCory, Jones couldn't do that in two attempts.

A fighter who made that list simply because of his popularity was Evander Holyfield, he wasn't/isn't even considered a big puncher, so why is he in the top 100 biggest punchers of all time. Hagler too shouldn't be placed so high

Having seen Louis more recently I still don't think he should be number 1, before I thought he shouldn't have been top 10, I have changed my mind since then.

Its gotta to be Tyson though for me, the guys punches used to make a different sound.

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