McClellan article inaccuracies

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 27 Feb 2007, 05:53

Ringtalk's Pedro Fernandez has just done a piece on McClellan

1) He says that "referee Mickey Vann (a trash hauler by trade) did everything to help Benn"

2) "anywhere else it would've been a 1st round KO"

3) that McClellan was injured because of the weight he dropped in the last couple of days.

Now, hang on a minute.

1) The ref was a Frenchman, and McClellan was smothering his work anyways.

2) Benn was hit while he was down, and was given more time to continue because he went out the ropes which is allowed. Given his "wounded lion" reputation, who was going to stop Benn for taking a battering? It's not like many ppl even wanted Benn to win at the time.

3) That ginger haired doctor, in the Ring, has said there's no proof that subdural hematomas are caused by draining weight (& lessening brain cushioning fluid). All the 90s middles/s middles had weight issues. Michael Watson was also injured in a super middle fight, but that seems due to his head whipping off the bottom rope.

Here's the article -

http://www.ringtalk.com/index.php?actio ... =1&id=1151

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 27 Feb 2007, 05:58

Ref did help Benn out, but blaming it on Micky Vann is a bit unprofessional. Do your reseacr Fernandez you bell end.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Feb 2007, 06:34

There is no doubt that the officiating in that fight was quite absurd. The referee seemed intent on making sure the contest made it out of the early rounds. It seemed that way to me anyhow. Every time Gerald stepped in to try and finish Benn off in the first and second, the frenchman would needlessly step between the two men and halt the action. I always felt he was under instruction to ensure the fight went as many rounds as possible.

With almost any other referee in the ring, I doubt very much Benn would have made it past the first, but, Benn cannot be held to account, as he just did the best he could to survive, he probably should have been warned for bending down to low to survive as well, he was almost kissing the canvas at some points.

This article just highlights what garbage some of these websites and their writers are.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 27 Feb 2007, 06:49

isn't Fernandez the guy who almost got in trouble for saying that Tyson tried to sexually abuse Warren? Isn't that part of what the allegedly nonsense is all about?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 27 Feb 2007, 06:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote:There is no doubt that the officiating in that fight was quite absurd. The referee seemed intent on making sure the contest made it out of the early rounds. It seemed that way to me anyhow. Every time Gerald stepped in to try and finish Benn off in the first and second, the frenchman would needlessly step between the two men and halt the action. I always felt he was under instruction to ensure the fight went as many rounds as possible.

With almost any other referee in the ring, I doubt very much Benn would have made it past the first, but, Benn cannot be held to account, as he just did the best he could to survive, he probably should have been warned for bending down to low to survive as well, he was almost kissing the canvas at some points.

This article just highlights what garbage some of these websites and their writers are.

I think with Benn's bending and McClellan's telegraphed punching, the fight seemed as if it'd make it through round one. Things were getting messy, and in truth I didn't see G-Man land one clean punch after knocking Benn through the ropes.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 27 Feb 2007, 07:22

viciousmaussa wrote:isn't Fernandez the guy who almost got in trouble for saying that Tyson tried to sexually abuse Warren? Isn't that part of what the allegedly nonsense is all about?

Im sure he was slapped with a writ over allegations he made regarding the Pinto Hatton fight, or lack of. Didnt he claim there was never any agreement / contract etc...

I think that was it.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Feb 2007, 07:32

Yes he did. I remember it well because I was the person who inadvertantly landed him in it! I spoke to Warren on the phone and asked him about the allegations that had been made on Ringtalk about Pinto never having signed a contract, and then got a thankyou email from SN's legal for pointing it out!

Pedro Fernandez is hardly what you would call a responsible journalist, he seems to print pretty much anyone's point of view as if it were rock solid fact.

fried bread · Post by **fried bread** » 27 Feb 2007, 07:40

He apparently cost ref Pat Russell a job, by branding him a racist in his online columns.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 27 Feb 2007, 07:44

Oddly enough, I watched a re-run of the Benn fight a couple of days back, and the way Benn came back in the second round was quite amazing.

Benn was certainly never in serious trouble in the second, and for me was the one in ascendancy in that round - Gerald was even pushed onto the back foot for the majority of it.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 27 Feb 2007, 08:19

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yes he did. I remember it well because I was the person who inadvertantly landed him in it! I spoke to Warren on the phone and asked him about the allegations that had been made on Ringtalk about Pinto never having signed a contract, and then got a thankyou email from SN's legal for pointing it out!

Pedro Fernandez is hardly what you would call a responsible journalist, he seems to print pretty much anyone's point of view as if it were rock solid fact.

Sounds like The Daily Sport of boxing web sites, but with a higher number of tits.

STP · Post by **STP** » 27 Feb 2007, 09:12

The bloodclot was on the side of McClellan's head, right where Benn hit him in the first round with a wild left with almost the inside of the glove (kind of the side of the glove/hand) when trying to fight off the ropes. It was in the very first round that the bloodclot formed, it was clear Gerald was in slight distress (losing co-ordination) even at that point just after the seemingly nothing-punch landed (it was actually extremely hard, Nigel had his full leverage and we all know he hit harder than anyone out there when he swung).

Gerald came back to his corner after the second round and said "Something's not right".

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 27 Feb 2007, 09:16

Presumably it was linked to him hainvg his gum shield hanging out of his mouth for most of the fight?

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 27 Feb 2007, 12:31

jamesmcdonnell wrote:There is no doubt that the officiating in that fight was quite absurd. The referee seemed intent on making sure the contest made it out of the early rounds. It seemed that way to me anyhow. Every time Gerald stepped in to try and finish Benn off in the first and second, the frenchman would needlessly step between the two men and halt the action. I always felt he was under instruction to ensure the fight went as many rounds as possible.

With almost any other referee in the ring, I doubt very much Benn would have made it past the first, but, Benn cannot be held to account, as he just did the best he could to survive, he probably should have been warned for bending down to low to survive as well, he was almost kissing the canvas at some points.

This article just highlights what garbage some of these websites and their writers are.

I have watched the fight many times over, and I am amazed at the inconsistencies of the ref. Now to my knowledge a fighter is not allowed to bend lower than his belt line, and as you rightly say Nigel bent to his own knee level never mind his waist.
However working on the principle that 2 wrongs dont make a right, the ref quite rightly stopped McClellan from hitting the only target he could see, which was the back of Benns head and neck. But at NO time did he warn Nigel, or even tell him to keep his head up. That was terrible reffing.

By the way I thought he was Belgian, not French.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 27 Feb 2007, 12:40

He was French, I think. Alfred Asaro.

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0502/one.htm

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 27 Feb 2007, 14:37

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:He was French, I think. Alfred Asaro.

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0502/one.htm

Cheers Ian, my mistake.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 28 Feb 2007, 01:09

viciousmaussa wrote:Ringtalk's Pedro Fernandez has just done a piece on McClellan

1) He says that "referee Mickey Vann (a trash hauler by trade) did everything to help Benn"

2) "anywhere else it would've been a 1st round KO"

3) that McClellan was injured because of the weight he dropped in the last couple of days.

Now, hang on a minute.

1) The ref was a Frenchman, and McClellan was smothering his work anyways.

2) Benn was hit while he was down, and was given more time to continue because he went out the ropes which is allowed. Given his "wounded lion" reputation, who was going to stop Benn for taking a battering? It's not like many ppl even wanted Benn to win at the time.

3) That ginger haired doctor, in the Ring, has said there's no proof that subdural hematomas are caused by draining weight (& lessening brain cushioning fluid). All the 90s middles/s middles had weight issues. Michael Watson was also injured in a super middle fight, but that seems due to his head whipping off the bottom rope.

Here's the article -

http://www.ringtalk.com/index.php?actio ... =1&id=1151

have to agree with pedro on this, as i've been saying the same thing sice fight night!!

1. french ref alfred azaro did the worst reffing job i have ever seen!! constantly pulling gerald off when he had benn virtually finished in the 1st!! azaro was normally a ringside judge and this was in fact, his 1ST WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT AS A REF!! so bad was hiw work that the WBC didnt allow him to ref another world title fight for 5 years!! the ref also permitted an inordinate amount of rabbit punches throughout the match by benn also!!

2. there have been numerous medical studies on the increased danger of brain trauma to a significantly dehydrated fighter, which is why gerald OFTEN came in 12-15 pounds heavier AFTER the weighin!!

3. on my showtime network video (perhaps different camera angle than the british telecast) several ringsiders appear to be pushing benn thru the ropes as he goes back thru the ropes!!

4. some believe significant trauma could have caused by the flying "accidental" headbutt which benn administered after missing a ridiculous round-house right hand in the later rounds and went crashing into g-man's forehead with his!!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Feb 2007, 04:00

I don't agree that Benn should've been stopped. Like I say he was hit while down AND out the ropes, so he had extra time. Given the fight back that he staged, it's amost ridiculous to say he should've been stopped. The rally started in round 1.

Benn was known for being best when wounded. McClellan had a massive weight advantage over him - so it appeared, if you drain of weight, are 6'2 and have a ep for piling pounds afterward - and I'd say the fight didn't exactly start fair.

In round 1 McClellan was missing most of the post KD shots. G Man was throwing close range shots long and telegraphed and was as much to blame for anyone for not finishing the job. Benn could've been warned for ducking low, but can you blame him?

Most ppl believe that weight draining contributes to brain damage - because of the injuries below heavyweight - but Goodman has denied this in her Ring column as being somewgat forced.

"accidental head" & "ridiculous right" - well he was exhausted so how can you blame that? Head clashes happen in every fight. McClellan never faced an opponent who could really fight back (Jackson was finished first hard shots he took) which was an issue too.

Don't take away from what Benn did.

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 28 Feb 2007, 05:00

Mickey Vann is indeed to blame. I also think he's the evil genius behind global warming.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Feb 2007, 06:11

wouter wrote:Mickey Vann is indeed to blame. I also think he's the evil genius behind global warming.

LOL

The Blade · Post by **The Blade** » 28 Feb 2007, 06:47

viciousmaussa wrote:Ringtalk's Pedro Fernandez has just done a piece on McClellan

1) He says that "referee Mickey Vann (a trash hauler by trade) did everything to help Benn"

2) "anywhere else it would've been a 1st round KO"

3) that McClellan was injured because of the weight he dropped in the last couple of days.

Now, hang on a minute.

1) The ref was a Frenchman, and McClellan was smothering his work anyways.

2) Benn was hit while he was down, and was given more time to continue because he went out the ropes which is allowed. Given his "wounded lion" reputation, who was going to stop Benn for taking a battering? It's not like many ppl even wanted Benn to win at the time.

3) That ginger haired doctor, in the Ring, has said there's no proof that subdural hematomas are caused by draining weight (& lessening brain cushioning fluid). All the 90s middles/s middles had weight issues. Michael Watson was also injured in a super middle fight, but that seems due to his head whipping off the bottom rope.

Here's the article -

http://www.ringtalk.com/index.php?actio ... =1&id=1151

Mickey should sue. Fernandez pedals libel. A former cop who thinks it is cool to slag off all and sundry irrespective of the facts. Tosser

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 28 Feb 2007, 07:12

Apparently when you weight drain you lose fluid from all around the body, including fluid that the the brain floats around in and helps cushion it.

Could see why this can lead to serious injury. Its been suggested McClellan suffered brain damage v Jackson. Can understand this, because he was likely weight drained as usual and took some absolute belters clean.

Honestly think from that point on the guy was an accident waiting to happen in any fight that went past rd 1 and an opponent was hitting back.

Ref def held G-Man off in rd 1 though, thats as clear as day.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Feb 2007, 08:05

McClellan did say "I have a tremendous headache" after that 1st Jackson fight. But I think anyone would.

I think Nigel deserved the benefit of the doubt in round 1. He wasn't spent the way he was vs Watson or Eubank 1 - that was Benn helpless.

Here he was shellshocked having taken hard shots on the top of the head, and needing to get his legs under him. He also appeared to be outweighed by a lot and was hit while he was down.

Not seen the fight for a while. The ref did some breaks - plenty - but I recall the action being messy. Was Benn ducking too low or was that exaggerated by McClellan being 6' 2?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 28 Feb 2007, 08:39

Good point Terrence - I was forgetting that McC wasn't in the neutral corner.

I just think McClellan was a pure KO puncher, like the great puncher Julian Jackson (whom he beat twice). That's just what he was and he didn't like ti in the trenches.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 28 Feb 2007, 09:36

The ref really did keep pushing McClellan off for no reason whatsoever in the opening round, that really is an inescapable fact to anyone who watches the video. Im not saying that with any axe to grind, i just dont see how anyone can say otherwise unless it fits in with whatever agenda on.

And im not being pro-Gman or anti-Benn, just anti-ref. Guy was crooked and/or inept from what i can see.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 28 Feb 2007, 09:47

Terence wrote:
People say he may have been injured against Jackson because he blinked a lot in that fight but he always did this when the other guy hit back. It was a case of not being able to give but unravelling when it came time to take.

That's a bit of a bizzare statement Terrence - the punches he took from Jackson were enough to knock down walls, in fact it was unbelievable how he managed to take those shots and come back to beat Jackson.

His chin was just too good, and that plus a non existant defence lead to him being hurt so badly.

In boxing, having a fragile chin can save your life.

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