The History of Early Heavyweight Film(pre-Joe louis)

Benny The Kid · Post by **Benny The Kid** » 10 Mar 2007, 17:26

The History of Early Heavyweight Film(pre-Joe louis)

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I've wanted To do A list like this to recruit some of these great boxing minds..
These guys are the heavyweights of early film history.
I'm sure i missed some.. but this is a good starter list.
Please add to the list....

James Corbett/ Vs Fitzsimmons
Bob Fitzsimmons/ vs. Corbett, renactment w/Jeffries?
Jim Jeffries/ renactment w/fake fitz.
vs. Tom Sharkey. Vs. Gus ruhlin #2
Tom Sharkey vs. Jeffries
Tommy Burns/vs. Bill squires. vs. Jack o brien, Vs jack Johnson
Sam mcvea breif boxing with jim Johnson
Sam Langford/ vs. Bill lang, jim Flynn
Jack Johnson/ vs. tommy burns, frank moran, stan ketchel, jim Flynn, jess Willard
Jess Willard/ vs. jack Johnson, frank moran
Jack Dempsey/ vs. Willard, billy miske, bill brennan, G carpentier, T. gibbons, Firpo, Tunney 1 & 2.
Luis firpo/ vs. jack dempsey
Gene Tunney/ vs. Dempsey 1 &2, Henney
Jack sharkey/vs Max schmeling 1, Jack Dempsey, m.walker, Primo carnera, Joe louis.
Max schmeling/ vs. Jack sharkey 1, max baer, Joe louis 1 & 2.
Max baer/ vs. schmeling, Carnera, Braddock, Louis
Jim Braddock/ vs. Baer, louis

NO FOOTAGE OF THESE GUYS I KNOW OF..
Joe choynski
Joe Goddard
Jack root
Marvin hart
Fred fulton
Joe jeanette
Harry wills
George godfrey
Jim Maloney
Jim barry
Johnny risko

PLEASE HELP BUILT THIS LIST WITH EXCLUSIVE KNOWLEDGE(ONLY YOU MAY HAVE) as stated this is pre-joe

JC · Post by JC » 10 Mar 2007, 17:50

Benny The Kid wrote:Jack root

There's some film of him here in his light-heavyweight days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7otMfBACEg

Benny The Kid · Post by **Benny The Kid** » 10 Mar 2007, 19:46

thats 2 classic fighters jack root and george gardnier. I wonder which fight it is, since they fought 4 times?
The joe choynski sparring if far after he retired..but thanks.
Anybody seen any Marvin Hart, footage?

Woller · Post by **Woller** » 11 Mar 2007, 15:26

I have:
Harry Wills very brief clip against Uzcudun.
George Godfrey against Primo Carnera.
Jim Maloney v. Sharkey 4th, Delaney, Carnera and Gagnon short hl/s
Jess Willand v Luis Firpo short h/l
Sharkey v McTigue 4/12, Scott, Stribling, Loughran, Heeney 4/12

And probably more

Woller
Denmark

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 11 Mar 2007, 15:37

Jack Root
1903-07-04 George Gardner - Jack Root

Harry Wills
1927-07-13 Paolino Uzcudun - Harry Wills

George Godfrey
1930-06-23 Primo Carnera - George Godfrey

Jim Maloney
1927-02-18 Jim Maloney - Jack Delaney

Tommy Burns
1907-12-02 Tommy Burns - Gunner Moir
1920-07-16 Joe Beckett - Tommy Burns

Jack Johnson
vs Jeffries

Luis Angel Firpo
1923-03-12 Luis Angel Firpo - Bill Brennan

Gene Tunney
1924-07-24 Gene Tunney - Georges Carpentier
1925-06-05 Gene Tunney - Tommy Gibbons

Jack Sharkey
1929-09-26 Jack Sharkey - Tommy Loughran

Max Schmeling
1931-07-03 Max Schmeling - Young Stribling

Max Baer
1939-06-01 Lou Nova - Max Baer
1940-07-02 Max Baer - Tony Galento
1941-04-04 Lou Nova - Max Baer

Jim Braddock
1929-07-18 Tommy Loughran - Jim Braddock
1938-01-21 Jim Braddock - Tommy Farr

mitchell · Post by **mitchell** » 12 Mar 2007, 01:21

This is from my collection list(all computer videos) I have a different list for VHS (Heavyweights pre 1931)
11-03-99 James Jeffries vs. Tom Sharkey x
07-25-02 James Jeffries vs. Bob Fitzsimmons x 157mb
08-24-08 Tommy Burns vs. Bill Squires x 34.5mb
12-26-08 Jack Johnson vs. Tommy Burns
10-16-09 Jack Johnson vs. Stanley Ketchel
07-04-10 Jack Johnson vs. James Jefferies
07-04-12 Jack Johnson vs. Jimm Flynn
06-27-14 Jack Johnson vs Frank Moran 32.1mb
03-25-16 Jess Willard vs. Frank Moran 38mb
07-04-19 Jack Dempsey vs. Jess Willard
07-21-21 Jack Dempsey vs. Georges Carpentier 2 1=107mb
07-04-23 Jack Dempsey vs. Tommy Gibbons x 31mb
09-14-23 Jack Dempsey vs.Luis Angel Firpo
07-24-24 Gene Tunney vs. Georges Carpentier 43mb
09-23-26 Gene Tunney vs. Jack Dempsey 51mb
09-26-96 Jack Sharky vs. Tommy Loughran 400mb vob
07-13-27 Paolino Uzcudun vs. Harry Wills
07-21-27 Jack Dempsey vs. Jack Sharkey 34mb
09-23-27 Gene Tunney vs. Jack Dempsey II 50.8mb
06-12-30 Max Schmeling vs. Jack Sharkey 36.9mb
06-23-30 Primo Carnera vs. George Godfrey
03-07-31 Max Schmeling vs. Young Stribling 35.6mb
06-08-33 Max Baer vs. Max Schmeling
06-29-33 Primo Carnera vs. Jack Sharkey II
06-14-34 Max Baer vs. Primo Carnera
The first Louis fight I have is Louis vs. King Levinsky from 1935

As well as these from the light heavywt. division
07-04-03 Jack Root vs. George Gardiner x
02-16-22 Ted Lewis vs. Tom Gummer
05-11-22 Ted Lewis vs. Georges Carpentier

x-exerts, (has to be more than half the bout)
mb=the size of video file

http://www.freewebs.com/neutral-corner/

pound per pound · Post by **pound per pound** » 12 Mar 2007, 10:30

mitchell wrote:This is from my collection list(all computer videos) I have a different list for VHS (Heavyweights pre 1931)
11-03-99 James Jeffries vs. Tom Sharkey x
07-25-02 James Jeffries vs. Bob Fitzsimmons x 157mb
08-24-08 Tommy Burns vs. Bill Squires x 34.5mb
12-26-08 Jack Johnson vs. Tommy Burns
10-16-09 Jack Johnson vs. Stanley Ketchel
07-04-10 Jack Johnson vs. James Jefferies
07-04-12 Jack Johnson vs. Jimm Flynn
06-27-14 Jack Johnson vs Frank Moran 32.1mb
03-25-16 Jess Willard vs. Frank Moran 38mb
07-04-19 Jack Dempsey vs. Jess Willard
07-21-21 Jack Dempsey vs. Georges Carpentier 2 1=107mb
07-04-23 Jack Dempsey vs. Tommy Gibbons x 31mb
09-14-23 Jack Dempsey vs.Luis Angel Firpo
07-24-24 Gene Tunney vs. Georges Carpentier 43mb
09-23-26 Gene Tunney vs. Jack Dempsey 51mb
09-26-96 Jack Sharky vs. Tommy Loughran 400mb vob
07-13-27 Paolino Uzcudun vs. Harry Wills
07-21-27 Jack Dempsey vs. Jack Sharkey 34mb
09-23-27 Gene Tunney vs. Jack Dempsey II 50.8mb
06-12-30 Max Schmeling vs. Jack Sharkey 36.9mb
06-23-30 Primo Carnera vs. George Godfrey
03-07-31 Max Schmeling vs. Young Stribling 35.6mb
06-08-33 Max Baer vs. Max Schmeling
06-29-33 Primo Carnera vs. Jack Sharkey II
06-14-34 Max Baer vs. Primo Carnera
The first Louis fight I have is Louis vs. King Levinsky from 1935

As well as these from the light heavywt. division
07-04-03 Jack Root vs. George Gardiner x
02-16-22 Ted Lewis vs. Tom Gummer
05-11-22 Ted Lewis vs. Georges Carpentier

x-exerts, (has to be more than half the bout)
mb=the size of video file

http://www.freewebs.com/neutral-corner/

You've got some nice stuff Mitchell.

Would you care to trade? I've got some stuff you might like. Tunney vs Jamieson ( Rare ), Schemling vs Uzcudun ( Rare ), Walcott vs Hoff ( rare ) and many others.

I will send you a private message.

Regards

p4p

UpWithEvil · Post by **UpWithEvil** » 12 Mar 2007, 14:59

07-25-02 James Jeffries vs. Bob Fitzsimmons x 157mb

Is this the re-enactment?

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 12 Mar 2007, 15:27

Max Baer vs
1932-07-04 King Levinsky
1932-12-28 King Levinsky (exhibition)
1937-05-27 Ben Foord
1940-09-26 Pat Comiskey

Primo Carnera vs
1930-12-18 Reggie Meen
1931-03-05 Jim Maloney
1931-11-27 Victorio Campolo
1932-05-30 Larry Gains
1932-12-16 K O Christner
1933-02-10 Ernie Schaaf
1933-10-22 Paolino Uzcudun
1934-03-01 Tommy Loughran
1935-03-15 Ray Impelletiere
Jim Londas (wrestling)

UpWithEvil · Post by **UpWithEvil** » 13 Mar 2007, 17:46

There's a fair amount of Joe Gans footage survivng, surprisingly enough.

- Gans vs Terry McGovern 12/13/1900 (for me the footage seals the deal - FIX!)

- Gans vs Battling Nelson 9/3/1906 (almost 90 minutes worth!)

I think there's one other Gans bout in my collection but I can't recall.

edit - Oh, the Kid Herman fight.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 17 Mar 2007, 13:43

I can only surmise that the early film was so poor that it did injustice to the fighters of that era. I caught hell from a previous poster for criticizing a Jim Corbett exhibition, vs. Peter Courtney. It doesn't seem to me that the old ball players looked much good either, at least in comparison to their more modern counter parts.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 18 Mar 2007, 04:08

there is film of harry wills in 1924 vs some european bum, let me check up on the name

The History of Early Heavyweight Film(pre-Joe louis)

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