Gatti

Bill Celender · Post by **Bill Celender** » 10 Mar 2007, 22:20

yes, i dont know much about arturo gatti and i was wondering if you guys could tell me a bit about him and enlighten me

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 10 Mar 2007, 23:42

Technique limited
Power slightly above average
Defense poor
Speed average
Heart tons of it and fearless in the ring.
Very entertaining fighter and a Great warrior that gave his all in the ring.
Could have been better if only he took his training and career more seriously.

Bill Celender · Post by **Bill Celender** » 10 Mar 2007, 23:53

Borinken25 wrote:Technique limited
Power slightly above average
Defense poor
Speed average
Heart tons of it and fearless in the ring.
Very entertaining fighter and a Great warrior that gave his all in the ring.
Could have been better if only he took his training and career more seriously.

that is everything ive ever heard about him, almost word for word

The Durable Dane · Post by **The Durable Dane** » 11 Mar 2007, 06:08

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Arturo_Gatti

JC · Post by JC » 11 Mar 2007, 10:23

Just to add to what Borinken25 has already said,

Big left hook was his honey punch.

Used to take full advantage of the 24 hr weigh in and probably came in close to 160 for some of his light-welter bouts.

Very good chin but sometimes seemed vulnerable to the body attack.

Very open to right cross, even Oscar who doesn't use his right alot was landing them for fun.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 11 Mar 2007, 11:58

Could have been better if only he took his training and career more seriously.

How could anyone actually say that about Gatti?

He had limited talent, yes...... But it was his training, heart, and physical conditioning that got him everything. Had he not trained hard, we would have never heard of him.

john2345 · Post by **john2345** » 12 Mar 2007, 05:56

ringsider wrote:
Could have been better if only he took his training and career more seriously.
How could anyone actually say that about Gatti? He had limited talent, yes...... But it was his training, heart, and physical conditioning that got him everything. Had he not trained hard, we would have never heard of him.

I think there was a period where he spent a lot of time in the Atlantic City nightclubs and burnt the candle at both ends. That said, he always seemed to me to be well conditioned and in top shape for his fights.

Gatti (and surely he's not yet in "Boxers of the past"!) has good skills, unrivalled heart, and a decent punch. His fights with Ivan Robinson, Ruelas, and of course Ward are classics. My favourite fighter of the past ten years.

J

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 12 Mar 2007, 10:31

john2345 wrote:
ringsider wrote:
Could have been better if only he took his training and career more seriously.
How could anyone actually say that about Gatti? He had limited talent, yes...... But it was his training, heart, and physical conditioning that got him everything. Had he not trained hard, we would have never heard of him.
I think there was a period where he spent a lot of time in the Atlantic City nightclubs and burnt the candle at both ends. That said, he always seemed to me to be well conditioned and in top shape for his fights.

Gatti (and surely he's not yet in "Boxers of the past"!) has good skills, unrivalled heart, and a decent punch. His fights with Ivan Robinson, Ruelas, and of course Ward are classics. My favourite fighter of the past ten years.

J

Apparently he didn’t read about it.

It is well documented that Gatti love to party.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 12 Mar 2007, 11:28

It is well documented that Gatti love to party.

Because a guy likes to "party" doesn't mean he wasn't in shape or take his career seriously. Being out on the town doesn't mean you are drunk & drugged up. All it means is you have been spotted out.

john2345 · Post by **john2345** » 12 Mar 2007, 14:20

ringsider wrote:
It is well documented that Gatti love to party.
Because a guy likes to "party" doesn't mean he wasn't in shape or take his career seriously. Being out on the town doesn't mean you are drunk & drugged up. All it means is you have been spotted out.

.....agreed, to a point. But if you look at BHop's life style (ie training rather than partying) it does suggest that a top rank fighter might be better to focus less on the partying during his boxing career!

I'm sure we've all had periods where we partied hard and trained just as hard...but from personal experience (in both boxing and business) it was a whole lot easier when I laid off booze for a long period and kept myself in shape physically and sharp mentally....

I seem to recall Gatti's manager observing that Gatti used to think he was a rock star in Atlantic City and "party" accordingly....but to be fair to Arturo I couldn't point to any one fight that he lost where he might have won with a bit more dedication to training.

J

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 13 Mar 2007, 00:31

.but to be fair to Arturo I couldn't point to any one fight that he lost where he might have won with a bit more dedication to training.

Bingo!! You get the front row!!

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 13 Mar 2007, 18:06

I don't know of Gatti's personal life, but there's no way he was on the tear clubbing and drinking, if he was he wouldn't have had so much stamina, heart and the ability to go nonstop for 12 rds.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 13 Mar 2007, 19:02

I've got nothing against Gatti, but his fans tend to really go over board with how tough he is and how much heart he had. He looked like a guy with tremendous heart when he wasen't in with top class fighters, but put him in with Mayweather or DeLaHoya etc and all the fighting spirit in the world couldn't help him. Actually I remember Angel Manfredy busting him up.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 13 Mar 2007, 20:45

Seamus wrote:I've got nothing against Gatti, but his fans tend to really go over board with how tough he is and how much heart he had. He looked like a guy with tremendous heart when he wasen't in with top class fighters, but put him in with Mayweather or DeLaHoya etc and all the fighting spirit in the world couldn't help him. Actually I remember Angel Manfredy busting him up.

I think that shows more lack of skills rather than lack of Heart. I like Gatti but that is why I said that he had/has limited skills. He lost to class A, B, and C type of fighters, but he fought with heart IMO.

john2345 · Post by **john2345** » 14 Mar 2007, 05:29

walshb wrote:I don't know of Gatti's personal life, but there's no way he was on the tear clubbing and drinking, if he was he wouldn't have had so much stamina, heart and the ability to go nonstop for 12 rds.

Gatti (my favourite fighter of the past ten years) did go thru a period of high-living...see extract from an old article below with comments from Arturo himself and Lou di Bella.
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Gatti couldn't still be fighting at 32 had he not made major changes in his life. He has focused more on defensive boxing skills in recent bouts and has toned down a lifestyle that would've made Charlie Sheen jealous.

An unspoken truth for much of Gatti's career is that he brawled partly because he was too out of shape to box. He was a terrific tactician when he turned pro in 1991 as a super featherweight.

Then he got a sniff of the high life, and he let himself go. He hailed from the fantastic party town of Montreal and spent substantial time in New York and Miami. He adored alcohol. He tried illegal drugs. He pulled all-nighters at strip clubs.

He was arrested in 1997 for drunk driving and assaulting a police officer a car chase in Union City, N.J.

"There were demons, no question," DiBella said. "He was a party animal, and he was just not taking care of himself between fights. He was drinking too much and whatever, but I'm not going to tell you what 'whatever' was.

"Look, this is a guy who would go in there, fight World War III, then go put on a suit while he was still bleeding and go out dancing with five broads. He was magic with the ladies."

Gatti destroyed himself so much between fights he made his opponents' jobs easier. He didn't maintain his weight, and his lack of conditioning zapped his maneuverability in the ring.

His career suffered to the point where he was written off at age 26. After he abandoned his IBF super featherweight title in 1998 to campaign at lightweight, he lost his next three fights. Angel Manfredy stopped him on cuts in the eighth round. Ivan Robinson then won a split decision in a bout The Ring called its "Upset of the Year." Robinson won a more comfortable unanimous decision in the rematch.

"In 1998 I was counted out," Gatti said. "They said I was shot, I was done, I was washed up. I knew I was tired because I was going out too much. I was worn out. I was a wild man. Montreal is a great city. I was in New York, Miami. It didn't change who I am as a person, but I was having a good time."
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walshb · Post by **walshb** » 14 Mar 2007, 10:54

I heard he did go thru a phase alright, but didn't realise it was so intense and between fights. I asumed it was like a year out break type thing and then couple years hard solid training and back to his best