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[pundit]

@ all time ratings - new version

The old version considered the 5 top annual (end) ratings in the division assigned.

Weaknesses - which resulted in a lot of ratings, which obvoiusly were not correct - more than now. You seem to forget too fast ...

- Boxers, who were rated in the division at the end of the year, but only had maybe one recent low quality bout in this division, got a high annual end rating in this division, while having earned their rating in other divisions.

- Boxers, who were rated high for long time periods, but had few quality bouts and only some spark results, got a high rating in the all time ratings

- Low quality losses in the division were not considered explicitly.


Now - the the current version:

- The actual performances in the division only are considered in a sliding average with weight 0.1, if it improves the rating. So getting the top.

- Low performances below this level reduce the ratings by the same sliding average, if suffered before the last improvement. So reduce the rating, but not in the phase of decline.

- The performance is defined as the current rating of the opponent plus/minus the decision weight = plus/minus 34.5 percent maximum. Clear losses to superior opponents cannot improve the rating.

So now it is ensured, that only real performances in the particular division are considered, and significant losses are considered too.

And yet, the old ratings didn't produce Tommy Burns as the ATG #11 heavyweight; and neither did Primo Carnera, Earnie Schaaf and Young Stribling (!!) end up ahead of Max Schmeling.

As far as I can see this change was a step backwards.

[m1kee50]

why does an annual rating come into it? why dont they just do it on who they beat.

[JCS]

why does an annual rating come into it? why dont they just do it on who they beat.

Trust me, its not as easy as it looks. If I could tolerate unix and perl, I'd jump into it myself. Not sure why we can't just get out of that stone-age BS when possible.

[computerrank]

... I will trace the all time rating development of the boxers mentioned bout by bout as soon as I get some time at home - and publish the result here ...

[computerrank]

... the traces ...

w+: win, current performance better than current all time rating, lowest performance since last improvement may lower current all time rating in first step, then all time rating improved in second step

W-: win, current performance lower than current all time rating, close decision, new lowest performance since last improvement

L+: loss, current performance better than current all time rating, close decision, lowest performance since last improvement may lower current all time rating in first step, then all time rating improved in second step

L-: loss, new lowest performance since last improvement

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id         date   W/L  perf   r+  l_p+    r0  l_p0  opponents

000645 1986-10-24 W+     0     0 99999     0 99999 Steve Collins vs. Julio Mercado
000645 1986-11-26 W+    21     1 99999     0 99999 Steve Collins vs. Mike Bonislawski
000645 1986-12-20 W+    21     3 99999     1 99999 Steve Collins vs. Richard Holloway
000645 1987-10-10 W+    23     5 99999     3 99999 Steve Collins vs. Richard Holmes
000645 1987-10-29 W+    67     9 99999     5 99999 Steve Collins vs. Harold Souther
000645 1987-11-20 W+    81    13 99999     9 99999 Steve Collins vs. Mike Williams
000645 1987-12-09 W+    75    17 99999    13 99999 Steve Collins vs. Benny Sims
000645 1988-05-26 W+   138    27 99999    17 99999 Steve Collins vs. Lester Yarbrough
000645 1988-07-30 W+   140    34 99999    27 99999 Steve Collins vs. Michael Dale
000645 1988-10-22 W+   127    44 99999    34 99999 Steve Collins vs. Muhammad Shabazz
000645 1988-12-10 W+   125    49 99999    44 99999 Steve Collins vs. Jesse Lanton
000645 1989-02-07 W+   243    68 99999    49 99999 Steve Collins vs. Paul McPeek
000645 1989-11-21 W+   442   106 99999    68 99999 Steve Collins vs. Roberto Rosiles
000645 1990-08-16 W+   511   146 99999   106 99999 Steve Collins vs. Fermin Chirino
000645 1990-11-24 W+   459   172 99999   146 99999 Steve Collins vs. Eddie Hall
000645 1991-05-11 W+   557   211 99999   172 99999 Steve Collins vs. Kenny Snow
000645 1991-12-11 W+   613   251 99999   211 99999 Steve Collins vs. Dan Morgan
000645 1993-02-06 W+   507   277 99999   251 99999 Steve Collins vs. Johnny Melfah
000645 1993-02-20 W+   533   302 99999   277 99999 Steve Collins vs. Ian Strudwick
000645 1994-02-09 W+   620   324 99999   302 99999 Steve Collins vs. Paul Wesley
000645 1995-03-18 W+  1186   410 99999   324 99999 Steve Collins vs. Chris Eubank
000645 1995-09-09 W+   819   451 99999   410 99999 Steve Collins vs. Chris Eubank
000645 1995-11-25 W+   894   495 99999   451 99999 Steve Collins vs. Cornelius Carr
000645 1996-03-09 W+   840   529 99999   495 99999 Steve Collins vs. Neville Brown
000645 1996-07-06 W+  1293   606 99999   529 99999 Steve Collins vs. Nigel Benn
000645 1996-11-09 W+  1357   681 99999   606 99999 Steve Collins vs. Nigel Benn
000645 1997-02-08 W+  1235   736 99999   681 99999 Steve Collins vs. Frederic Seillier
000645 1997-07-05 W+  1301   793 99999   736 99999 Steve Collins vs. Craig Cummings

000739 1990-01-14 W+   391    33 99999     0 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Sanderline Williams
000739 1991-10-26 W+   847   100 99999    33 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Lenzie Morgan
000739 1991-12-07 W+   847   175 99999   100 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Hector Lescano
000739 1992-02-19 W+   710   229 99999   175 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Dan Sherry
000739 1992-10-03 W+  1204   326 99999   229 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Mauro Galvano
000739 1992-12-12 W+  1151   409 99999   326 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Nicky Piper
000739 1993-03-06 W+   992   467 99999   409 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Mauro Galvano
000739 1993-06-26 W+   967   517 99999   467 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Lou Gent
000739 1993-10-09 L+   962   561 99999   517 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Chris Eubank
000739 1994-02-26 W+   774   583 99999   561 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Henry Wharton
000739 1994-09-10 W+   645   589 99999   583 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra
000739 1995-02-25 W+  1249   655 99999   589 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Gerald McClellan
000739 1995-07-22 W+  1026   692 99999   655 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Vincenzo Nardiello
000739 1995-09-02 W+   992   722 99999   692 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Danny Perez
000739 1996-03-02 L+   755   725 99999   722 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Thulani Malinga
000739 1996-07-06 L-   428   725   428   725 99999 Nigel Benn vs. Steve Collins
000739 1996-11-09 L-   383   725   383   725   428 Nigel Benn vs. Steve Collins

000804 1989-01-31 W+   167    17 99999     0 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Simon Collins
000804 1991-06-22 W+  1206   136 99999    17 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Michael Watson
000804 1991-09-21 W+  1501   272 99999   136 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Michael Watson
000804 1992-02-01 W+   795   324 99999   272 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Thulani Malinga
000804 1992-04-25 W+   877   380 99999   324 99999 Chris Eubank vs. John Jarvis
000804 1992-06-27 W+  1095   451 99999   380 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Ron Essett
000804 1992-09-19 W+  1073   513 99999   451 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Tony Thornton
000804 1992-11-28 W+   952   557 99999   513 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra
000804 1993-02-20 W+  1050   607 99999   557 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Lindell Holmes
000804 1993-05-15 W+   822   628 99999   607 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Ray Close
000804 1993-10-09 W+   962   661 99999   628 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Nigel Benn
000804 1994-02-05 W+   721   667 99999   661 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Graciano Rocchigiani
000804 1994-05-21 W+   932   694 99999   667 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Ray Close
000804 1994-07-09 W-   565   694   565   694 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Mauricio Amaral Costa
000804 1994-08-27 W+   714   684   565   694   565 Chris Eubank vs. Sam Storey
000804 1994-10-15 W-   585   684   585   684 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Dan Schommer
000804 1994-12-10 W+   700   677   585   684   585 Chris Eubank vs. Henry Wharton
000804 1995-03-18 L+   719   681 99999   677 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Steve Collins
000804 1995-09-09 L+  1195   733 99999   681 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Steve Collins
000804 1997-10-11 L-   299   733   299   733 99999 Chris Eubank vs. Joe Calzaghe

002629 1980-01-02 W+   293    29 99999     0 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Jose Gutierrez
002629 1980-01-15 W+   296    56 99999    29 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Al Bell
002629 1980-01-26 W+   294    80 99999    56 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Gus Turner
002629 1980-02-01 W+   524   124 99999    80 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Julius Noble
002629 1980-03-08 W+   880   200 99999   124 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Don Addison
002629 1980-04-13 W+   718   252 99999   200 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Eddie Smith
002629 1980-07-08 W+   565   283 99999   252 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Greg Payne
002629 1980-08-11 W+   659   321 99999   283 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Benny Mitchell
002629 1980-08-15 W+   606   349 99999   321 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Stanley Scott
002629 1980-09-12 W+   601   374 99999   349 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. John Cox
002629 1980-09-13 W+   541   391 99999   374 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Joey Butcher
002629 1980-10-04 W+   590   411 99999   391 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Phil Wade
002629 1980-10-25 W+  1468   517 99999   411 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Pablo (Paul) Ramos
002629 1980-12-05 W+  1096   575 99999   517 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. John Beveridge
002629 1981-02-13 W+   999   617 99999   575 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Rocky Mack
002629 1981-02-27 W+  1104   666 99999   617 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Fred Brown
002629 1981-07-29 W+  1146   714 99999   666 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. James Williams
002629 1981-09-09 W+  1025   745 99999   714 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Darnell Hayes
002629 1982-02-13 W+   878   758 99999   745 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Chris Wells
002629 1982-10-21 W+  1240   806 99999   758 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Fred Reed
002629 1982-11-23 W+  1706   881 99999   806 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Mario Maldonado
002629 1983-02-04 W-   572   881   572   881 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Robbie Sims
002629 1983-05-27 W+  1363   902   572   881   572 Murray Sutherland vs. Jean-Marie Emebe
002629 1983-09-13 W+  1365   940 99999   902 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Alex Ramos
002629 1984-03-28 W+  1312   977 99999   940 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Ernie Singletary
002629 1984-07-22 L-   840   977   840   977 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Chong Pal Park
002629 1984-12-08 W+  1217   989   840   977   840 Murray Sutherland vs. Wilford Scypion
002629 1985-02-09 W+  1182  1008 99999   989 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Lenny Edwards
002629 1985-03-01 W+  1353  1043 99999  1008 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Robert Pew
002629 1985-05-31 W+  1170  1056 99999  1043 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Lloyd Richardson
002629 1985-07-26 L-   757  1056   757  1056 99999 Murray Sutherland vs. Bobby Czyz
002629 1986-02-25 L-   386  1056   386  1056   757 Murray Sutherland vs. Lindell Holmes

009041 1926-10-01 W+    76     5 99999     0 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Herman van't Hof
009041 1927-01-07 W+   152    20 99999     5 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Jack Stanley
009041 1928-04-04 W+   277    45 99999    20 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Franz Diener
009041 1929-01-21 W+   476    88 99999    45 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Pietro Corri
009041 1929-02-01 W+   711   151 99999    88 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Johnny Risko
009041 1929-06-27 W+   933   229 99999   151 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Paolino Uzcudun
009041 1930-06-12 W+  1561   273 99999   229 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Jack Sharkey
009041 1931-07-03 W+  1511   397 99999   273 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Young Stribling
009041 1932-06-21 L+   902   448 99999   397 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Jack Sharkey
009041 1933-06-08 L-   516   448   516   448 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Max Baer
009041 1934-05-13 W+   726   475   516   448   516 Max Schmeling vs. Paolino Uzcudun
009041 1936-06-19 W+  2079   636 99999   475 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Joe Louis
009041 1938-01-30 W+   820   654 99999   636 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Ben Foord
009041 1938-06-22 L-   618   654   618   654 99999 Max Schmeling vs. Joe Louis

010744 1904-08-19 W+   134    13 99999     0 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Cyclone Kelly
010744 1906-02-23 W+  2009   213 99999    13 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Marvin Hart
010744 1906-10-02 W+  1563   348 99999   213 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Fireman Jim Flynn
010744 1906-11-28 W+  1302   443 99999   348 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
010744 1907-05-08 W+  1645   563 99999   443 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
010744 1907-07-04 W+  1548   662 99999   563 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Bill Squires
010744 1907-12-02 W+  1784   774 99999   662 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Gunner Moir
010744 1908-02-10 W+  2124   909 99999   774 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Jack Palmer
010744 1908-03-17 W+  1693   988 99999   909 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Jem Roche
010744 1908-04-18 W+  1719  1061 99999   988 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Jewey Smith
010744 1908-06-13 W+  1945  1149 99999  1061 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Bill Squires
010744 1908-08-24 W+  2186  1253 99999  1149 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Bill Squires
010744 1908-09-02 W+  2761  1404 99999  1253 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Bill Lang
010744 1908-12-26 L-  1110  1404  1110  1404 99999 Tommy Burns vs. Jack Johnson
010744 1913-04-02 W-   235  1404   235  1404  1110 Tommy Burns vs. Arthur Pelkey
010744 1920-07-16 L-    83  1404    83  1404   235 Tommy Burns vs. Joe Beckett

012052 1925-05-07 W+   896    90 99999     0 99999 Young Stribling vs. Quintin Romero Rojas
012052 1927-04-07 W+  1006   181 99999    90 99999 Young Stribling vs. Jack Melrose
012052 1928-02-27 W+   971   260 99999   181 99999 Young Stribling vs. Al Friedman
012052 1928-04-23 W+   967   331 99999   260 99999 Young Stribling vs. Joe White
012052 1928-05-18 W+   886   386 99999   331 99999 Young Stribling vs. Marcella Gubinelli
012052 1928-06-07 W+  1016   439 99999   386 99999 Young Stribling vs. Harry Fay
012052 1928-07-02 W+   886   484 99999   439 99999 Young Stribling vs. Wild Bill Rowe
012052 1928-09-06 W+   974   533 99999   484 99999 Young Stribling vs. Johnny Squires
012052 1928-11-30 W+  1048   584 99999   533 99999 Young Stribling vs. Ray Neuman
012052 1928-12-18 W+  1057   631 99999   584 99999 Young Stribling vs. Billy Freas
012052 1929-01-01 W+  1189   687 99999   631 99999 Young Stribling vs. Jack League
012052 1929-02-27 L-   603   687   603   687 99999 Young Stribling vs. Jack Sharkey
012052 1929-11-06 W+   969   708   603   687   603 Young Stribling vs. Maurice Griselle
012052 1929-12-07 W+   884   718 99999   708 99999 Young Stribling vs. Primo Carnera
012052 1930-07-28 W+  1028   749 99999   718 99999 Young Stribling vs. Phil Scott
012052 1930-10-31 W+   971   771 99999   749 99999 Young Stribling vs. K O Christner
012052 1930-11-11 W+  1055   795 99999   771 99999 Young Stribling vs. Arthur De Kuh
012052 1930-12-12 W+  1428   848 99999   795 99999 Young Stribling vs. Tuffy Griffiths
012052 1931-07-03 L-   502   848   502   848 99999 Young Stribling vs. Max Schmeling
012052 1933-03-06 L-   454   848   454   848   502 Young Stribling vs. Pierre Charles

012071 1927-04-01 W+   254    25 99999     0 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Ad Stone
012071 1927-05-20 W+   395    44 99999    25 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Murray Gitlitz
012071 1928-01-03 W+   452    78 99999    44 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Yale Okun
012071 1928-01-30 W+   501   113 99999    78 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Benny Touchstone
012071 1928-04-30 L-   209   113   209   113 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Harold Mays
012071 1928-05-25 L-   124   113   124   113   209 Ernie Schaaf vs. Clayton (Big Boy) Peterson
012071 1929-07-06 W+   558   158   124   113   124 Ernie Schaaf vs. Murray Gitlitz
012071 1930-01-10 W+   417   179 99999   158 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Al Friedman
012071 1930-12-19 W+   881   238 99999   179 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Max Baer
012071 1931-01-23 W+   556   264 99999   238 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Jim Braddock
012071 1931-01-26 W+   651   297 99999   264 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Dick Daniels
012071 1931-02-16 W+   657   333 99999   297 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Dick Daniels
012071 1931-02-24 W+   677   361 99999   333 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Dynamite Jackson
012071 1931-03-27 W+   502   373 99999   361 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Paul Pantaleo
012071 1931-07-10 W+   636   399 99999   373 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Jim Maloney
012071 1931-08-31 W+   853   445 99999   399 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Victorio Campolo
012071 1931-09-23 W+  1040   494 99999   445 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Tuffy Griffiths
012071 1931-11-19 W+  1060   541 99999   494 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Jack Dorval
012071 1932-02-05 W+  1044   592 99999   541 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Salvatore Ruggirello
012071 1932-05-16 W+  1053   638 99999   592 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Unknown Winston
012071 1932-06-07 W+  1173   682 99999   638 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Tony Galento
012071 1932-07-07 W+   782   692 99999   682 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Salvatore Ruggirello
012071 1932-07-25 W+   821   705 99999   692 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Paolino Uzcudun
012071 1932-08-31 L-   414   705   414   705 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Max Baer
012071 1932-10-20 L-   279   705   279   705   414 Ernie Schaaf vs. Unknown Winston
012071 1933-01-06 W+  1120   708   279   705   279 Ernie Schaaf vs. Stanley Poreda
012071 1933-02-10 L-   407   708   407   708 99999 Ernie Schaaf vs. Primo Carnera

012086 1928-09-12 W+    12     1 99999     0 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Leon Sebilo
012086 1928-09-25 W+    27     4 99999     1 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Joe Thomas
012086 1928-10-30 W+    94    13 99999     4 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Salvatore Ruggirello
012086 1928-11-25 W+    81    19 99999    13 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Epifanio Islas
012086 1928-12-01 W+   124    29 99999    19 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Constant Barrick
012086 1929-04-28 L-   150    29   150    29 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Franz Diener
012086 1929-05-22 W+   186    42   150    29   150 Primo Carnera vs. Moise Bouquillon
012086 1929-05-30 W+   167    55 99999    42 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Marcel Nilles
012086 1929-06-26 W+   152    64 99999    55 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Jack Humbeeck
012086 1929-10-17 W+   211    79 99999    64 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Jack Stanley
012086 1929-12-07 L-   272    79   272    79 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Young Stribling
012086 1929-12-17 W+   406   112   272    79   272 Primo Carnera vs. Franz Diener
012086 1930-01-24 W+   472   148 99999   112 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Clayton (Big Boy) Peterson
012086 1930-01-31 W+   462   179 99999   148 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Elzear Rioux
012086 1930-02-06 W+   429   204 99999   179 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Cowboy Billy Owens
012086 1930-02-11 W+   377   221 99999   204 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Buster Martin
012086 1930-02-14 W+   378   237 99999   221 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Jim Sigmund
012086 1930-02-17 W+   437   257 99999   237 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Johnny Erickson
012086 1930-02-24 W+   380   269 99999   257 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Francis Lodge
012086 1930-03-03 W+   449   287 99999   269 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Roy (Ace) Clark
012086 1930-03-11 W+   404   299 99999   287 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Sully Montgomery
012086 1930-03-17 W+   548   324 99999   299 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Chuck Wiggins
012086 1930-03-20 W+   435   335 99999   324 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Frank Zaveta
012086 1930-03-26 W+   452   347 99999   335 99999 Primo Carnera vs. George Trafton
012086 1930-03-28 W+   454   357 99999   347 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Jack McAuliffe II
012086 1930-04-08 W+   720   394 99999   357 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Neil Clisby
012086 1930-04-14 W+   646   419 99999   394 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Leon Chevalier
012086 1930-04-22 W+   566   434 99999   419 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Sam Baker
012086 1930-06-05 W+   678   458 99999   434 99999 Primo Carnera vs. K O Christner
012086 1930-06-23 W+   895   476 99999   458 99999 Primo Carnera vs. George Godfrey
012086 1930-07-17 W+  1104   539 99999   476 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Bearcat Wright
012086 1930-07-29 W+  1030   588 99999   539 99999 Primo Carnera vs. George Cook
012086 1930-08-30 W+   983   628 99999   588 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Riccardo Bertazzolo
012086 1930-09-08 W+   902   655 99999   628 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Pat McCarthy
012086 1930-09-17 W+  1083   698 99999   655 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Jack Gross
012086 1930-11-30 W+   961   720 99999   698 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Paolino Uzcudun
012086 1930-12-18 W+   822   730 99999   720 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Reggie Meen
012086 1931-03-05 W+   845   740 99999   730 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Jim Maloney
012086 1931-06-15 W+   749   740 99999   740 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Pat Redmond
012086 1931-06-30 W+   829   749 99999   740 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Bud Gorman
012086 1931-10-12 L-   425   749   425   749 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Jack Sharkey
012086 1932-05-30 L-   311   749   311   749   425 Primo Carnera vs. Larry Gains
012086 1933-02-10 W+  1053   740   311   749   311 Primo Carnera vs. Ernie Schaaf
012086 1933-06-29 W+  1528   819 99999   740 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Jack Sharkey
012086 1933-10-22 W+  1039   841 99999   819 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Paolino Uzcudun
012086 1934-03-01 W+  1253   882 99999   841 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Tommy Loughran
012086 1934-06-14 L-   624   882   624   882 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Max Baer
012086 1934-12-01 W+   896   860   624   882   624 Primo Carnera vs. Victorio Campolo
012086 1935-01-22 W+   880   862 99999   860 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Erwin Klausner
012086 1935-06-25 L-   461   862   461   862 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Joe Louis
012086 1935-11-01 W+   960   836   461   862   461 Primo Carnera vs. Walter Neusel
012086 1935-11-25 W+   837   836 99999   836 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Ford Smith
012086 1936-03-06 W+   853   838 99999   836 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Isidoro Gastanaga
012086 1936-03-16 L-   328   838   328   838 99999 Primo Carnera vs. Leroy Haynes
012086 1936-05-27 L-   269   838   269   838   328 Primo Carnera vs. Leroy Haynes
012086 1937-11-18 L-    22   838    22   838   269 Primo Carnera vs. Albert DiMeglio
012086 1945-11-21 L-    12   838    12   838    22 Primo Carnera vs. Luigi Musina
012086 1946-03-19 L-    11   838    11   838    12 Primo Carnera vs. Luigi Musina

[computerrank]

I'm non the wiser I'm afraid. Anyone else understand why Murray Sutherland is so strong in plain English?!

... look

Sutherland had 14 performances over 1000 points from 1980 to 1985

Collins had 5 such between 1995 and 1997

Benn had 4 such between 1992 and 1995

Eubank had 6 such between 1991 and 1995

[computerrank]

... I found a basic error in the implementation of the new all time ratings formula. The correction will change the results. You will hear from me ...

[jujigatame]

This Mamani issue needs to be addressed. The guy lost a wide, dominant decision to Alcine less than 1 year ago, and his biggest win since then is over #71 ranked Crazy Kim, yet somehow he is now ranked #3 while Alcine is at #13 even though he remains undefeated. That is just wacky.

[JCS]

This Mamani issue needs to be addressed. The guy lost a wide, dominant decision to Alcine less than 1 year ago, and his biggest win since then is over #71 ranked Crazy Kim, yet somehow he is now ranked #3 while Alcine is at #13 even though he remains undefeated. That is just wacky.

I'm thinking he just got changed to 154 today. Once the ratings recalculate tonight, he'll probably move down... albeit slightly. Even still, we will then have 2 Argentinians in the Top 5, or at worst Top 7 or so... at 154.

We've got an issue somewhere with home advantage and/or initial entry of boxers.

[jujigatame]

Ok, I'll wait until tomorrow to bring this up again, but I doubt he'll get moved down more than a few spots. There's also a somewhat similar problem with Avendano.

[JCS]

Ok, I'll wait until tomorrow to bring this up again, but I doubt he'll get moved down more than a few spots. There's also a somewhat similar problem with Avendano.

I'm certain the problem with Mamani is that the time he finally left Argentina for a moderately big win (Crazy Kim Fight) he won by KO. This was not home turf for Mamani and home turf for Kim.

If Kim went in with say.. a 700 rating, and Mamani a 600 rating.. The calculations would have been based on Mamani being around 420, and Kim around 980 because of the hometown advantage. Thats a huge inflation in ratings as an end result.

Furthermore, guys like this beat up on boxers from Argentina.. and god knows what sorry saps their commissions allow as fodder... its most likely worse in USA, but currently, theres no way to handle that in the ratings as it stands.

[jujigatame]

Well, like I said before, applying any sort of "hometown factor" to fights ending in a KO is pretty nonsensical.

[JCS]

Well, like I said before, applying any sort of "hometown factor" to fights ending in a KO is pretty nonsensical.

I guess the theory is that going in.. you assume the home turf guy has some sort of advantage. I do see your point though.

[jujigatame]

I personally feel the hometown factor should be abolished completely. It's just too difficult to apply in a consistent and meaningful way. I mean, this weekend most people were calling the M'Baye/Kotelnik draw a hometown robbery, but the BoxRec system probably wouldn't because neither M'Baye nor Kotelnik are British. Our good friend allegedly is, though, and he happens to promote M'Baye, who got the favorable call. You could say similar things about the Bell/Brown and Urango/Rabah decisions.

[JCS]

I personally feel the hometown factor should be abolished completely. It's just too difficult to apply in a consistent and meaningful way. I mean, this weekend most people were calling the M'Baye/Kotelnik draw a hometown robbery, but the BoxRec system probably wouldn't because neither M'Baye nor Kotelnik are British. Our good friend allegedly allegedly is, though, and he happens to promote M'Baye, who got the favorable call. You could say similar things about the Bell/Brown and Urango/Rabah decisions.

Hometurf advantage is given to a fighter if they have more than 2 fights in the country. Before Kotelnik-M'Baye.. Kotelnik was #9, M'Baye was #13 (I believe). You will notice Kotelnik actually gained 2 spots, and M'Baye went down to #22.

[jujigatame]

I'd like to point out that Mamani has remained at #3 in the LMW rankings.

[Lennox]

I'd like to point out that Mamani has remained at #3 in the LMW rankings.

hes now jumped to number 2. Why not just be honest and accept that these ratings are not good and post the IBO ratings. I spoke with Ed Levine he said, he would pay boxrec a fee and that he emailed John Shep but never got a reply. There can't honestly be anyone that would think boxrec ratings are better than the IBO ones, and boxrec would get paid.

[JCS]

I'd like to point out that Mamani has remained at #3 in the LMW rankings.

hes now jumped to number 2. Why not just be honest and accept that these ratings are not good and post the IBO ratings. I spoke with Ed Levine he said, he would pay boxrec a fee and that he emailed John Shep but never got a reply. There can't honestly be anyone that would think boxrec ratings are better than the IBO ones, and boxrec would get paid.

What was Ed Levine going to pay BoxRec a fee for?

[Lennox]

I'd like to point out that Mamani has remained at #3 in the LMW rankings.

hes now jumped to number 2. Why not just be honest and accept that these ratings are not good and post the IBO ratings. I spoke with Ed Levine he said, he would pay boxrec a fee and that he emailed John Shep but never got a reply. There can't honestly be anyone that would think boxrec ratings are better than the IBO ones, and boxrec would get paid.

What was Ed Levine going to pay BoxRec a fee for?

To display the IBO ratings.

[jujigatame]

These rankings are alright and do not need to be scrapped, but the "hometown factor" needs to be seriously reexamined. Guys like Alcine who are very good but fight entirely at home are getting penalized to an unfairly large degree.

[JCS]

hes now jumped to number 2. Why not just be honest and accept that these ratings are not good and post the IBO ratings. I spoke with Ed Levine he said, he would pay boxrec a fee and that he emailed John Shep but never got a reply. There can't honestly be anyone that would think boxrec ratings are better than the IBO ones, and boxrec would get paid.

What was Ed Levine going to pay BoxRec a fee for?

To display the IBO ratings.

Perhaps the IBO ratings should be updated more than once per month :)

[Lennox]

These rankings are alright and do not need to be scrapped, but the "hometown factor" needs to be seriously reexamined. Guys like Alcine who are very good but fight entirely at home are getting penalized to an unfairly large degree.

The formula is wrong, its as simple as that, not just hometown, there are prospects with a handfull of fights higher than experienced 10 round pro's.

[Lennox]

What was Ed Levine going to pay BoxRec a fee for?

To display the IBO ratings.

Perhaps the IBO ratings should be updated more than once per month :)

yes thats a big minus with IBO.

[jujigatame]

These rankings are alright and do not need to be scrapped, but the "hometown factor" needs to be seriously reexamined. Guys like Alcine who are very good but fight entirely at home are getting penalized to an unfairly large degree.

The formula is wrong, its as simple as that, not just hometown, there are prospects with a handfull of fights higher than experienced 10 round pro's.

That's not necessarily wrong depending on what opponents they've faced.

[Lennox]

These rankings are alright and do not need to be scrapped, but the "hometown factor" needs to be seriously reexamined. Guys like Alcine who are very good but fight entirely at home are getting penalized to an unfairly large degree.

The formula is wrong, its as simple as that, not just hometown, there are prospects with a handfull of fights higher than experienced 10 round pro's.

That's not necessarily wrong depending on what opponents they've faced.

I agree its not a problem if they have faced good fighters, but many have faced poor opponents and are ranked quite high because of quantity of fights rather than quality.