Williams against Hide: the truth about that spar

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 12 Sep 2003, 18:52

You've heard all the conjecture. The biased opinions. The legend. How about the truth for a change. Herbie Hide was literally 10 days away from defending his WBO heavyweight title against Vitali Klitschko back in 1999, when he and Williams took part in that infamous sparring session. Everyone knows what Hide did that day. He rushed out and tried to knock out a sparring partner. He always does. Williams took exception and floored Hide in the first round of their spar. After a timeout to give Herbie time to clear his head, the two resumed sparring. Hide continued to fight well over the top (we've been told he can "box to orders" in a fight, but he can't even control himself in sparring so we all know what a bunch of crap that claim is). Williams, realising Hide hadn't learned his lesson and was attempting payback, continued to control the spar session and finally nailed his man again in the third round of their spar. This time, Hide was 'out'. Literally. He had to be carried out of the ring.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Sep 2003, 18:59

Thanks for the information, kind of suspected this was the case.

Bunce's reaction said it all when he did that piece on Hide in Las Vegas. Hide said 'you saw me spar Williams, you know I dominated him' Bunce said 'I saw you spar the once' with the expression really saying, 'I know what really happend the time I wasn't there'

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 13 Sep 2003, 07:15

Interesting stuff, i still back the Herb however when they meet. I just don't think Williams has the mental strength in big fights and Herbie has power to expose Williams chin. However if Williams nails Hide flush then it could be all over as we all know Hide has a glass jaw himself.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 13 Sep 2003, 08:52

Bennie - I'm inclined to go with the version of events that you transcribe above. Out of interest, how do we know this is indeed the truth? I seem to recall Hide saying that Jimmy Tibbs saw what "really happened" and it wasn't what Danny Williams is claiming.

Clearly Williams has the power to put Hide to bed early. However, I happen to agree with Steve's assesment that Herbie could destroy Danny first. Don't blink though, eh?

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 13 Sep 2003, 08:58

I believe the Samil Sam really took alot out of Williams. Ruined is a very strong word, time will tell.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 13 Sep 2003, 16:03

Ulysses wrote:I believe the Samil Sam really took alot out of Williams. Ruined is a very strong word, time will tell.

Hope not but I tend to agree with you there Ulysses - that was a pretty devastating loss. His confidence was never great to begin with too.

Bennie, it sounds about right, especialy when Hide flew at Danny at the press conf for mentioning it instead of laughing it off.

Do you know someone who was there? Can't imagine what Hide's handlers must've looked like when that happened

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 13 Sep 2003, 16:04

MightyWarrior wrote:
Ulysses wrote:I believe the Samil Sam really took alot out of Williams. Ruined is a very strong word, time will tell.
Hope not but I tend to agree with you there Ulysses - that was a pretty devastating loss. His confidence was never great to begin with too.

Bennie, it sounds about right, especialy when Hide flew at Danny at the press conf for mentioning it instead of laughing it off.

Do you know someone who was there? Can't imagine what Hide's handlers must've looked like when that happened

I got that info from several reliable sources, one of them being Danny Williams.

Priff · Post by **Priff** » 16 Sep 2003, 07:38

bennie wrote:You've heard all the conjecture. The biased opinions. The legend. How about the truth for a change. Herbie Hide was literally 10 days away from defending his WBO heavyweight title against Vitali Klitschko back in 1999, when he and Williams took part in that infamous sparring session. Everyone knows what Hide did that day. He rushed out and tried to knock out a sparring partner. He always does. Williams took exception and floored Hide in the first round of their spar. After a timeout to give Herbie time to clear his head, the two resumed sparring. Hide continued to fight well over the top (we've been told he can "box to orders" in a fight, but he can't even control himself in sparring so we all know what a bunch of crap that claim is). Williams, realising Hide hadn't learned his lesson and was attempting payback, continued to control the spar session and finally nailed his man again in the third round of their spar. This time, Hide was 'out'. Literally. He had to be carried out of the ring.

This is the version I believe as Danny comes accross as Honest and has stated many time that he took down Hide. But what would happen if they meet again?

Danny seems dispondent at times. "I don't know why, but I just coudn't get my shots off" is what I remember hearing after his last fight. He seems to be on a bit of a low, his confidence always coming into public question.

I believe willams-Hide will happen. I'll root for Danny, but I'm just not sure of the outcome.

DIRT SUGAR · Post by **DIRT SUGAR** » 16 Sep 2003, 07:48

Danny needs to be more active, that's his problem. Five or six months off after every fight is no good to anyone, especially someone who's a 'confidence' fighter. He's got the tools to be a top-10 heavyweight, but it's whether he really wants to go out there and do it. He's running out of time now. Danny's not 24 or 25 anymore so he has to get a move on. A win over Hide then revenge against Samil Sam would do him the world of good.

DIRT SUGAR · Post by **DIRT SUGAR** » 16 Sep 2003, 07:58

Danny needs to be more active, that's his problem. Five or six months off after every fight is no good to anyone, especially someone who's a 'confidence' fighter. He's got the tools to be a top-10 heavyweight, but it's whether he really wants to go out there and do it. He's running out of time now. Danny's not 24 or 25 anymore so he has to get a move on. A win over Hide then revenge against Samil Sam would do him the world of good.

Riddick Bowie · Post by **Riddick Bowie** » 20 Sep 2003, 08:18

dannys problem is he has no chin and no self belief.

you cannot change his personality or his durability.

dannys never been in with a puncher and herbie might well knock him cold, and quickly.... herbies got no chin either though, and he looks a bit shot to me. can still hit though.

is this fight arranged? when is herbies next fight?

danny williams: never will be world contender

Williams against Hide: the truth about that spar

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