Mundine's next move?

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 18 Mar 2007, 23:48

he says he wants to fight the cream of the crop from 160-168. but thats look at the likley oitcomes here.

Mundine is NOT a big name in the US, the only reason people over there know of him is because of his 9/11 remarks. if he stays at 168 he wont get a fight with calzaghe unless he vactes his "title", even then...im not sure allegedly would be willing to put mundine and joe in the same ring. and i highly doubt joe would come to sydney to fight him either. but you never know.
the next big fight for choc at 168 is a Kessler rematch, Kessler is tied up at the moment but this fight could be possible later on in the year, however i think Kessler has a style that will beat mundine everytime....not a good move.
he may be able to get someone like Marcus beyer, Braehmer, or even a domestic fight with bika.

if he moves to 160 i could see him giving the likes of wright and taylor all kinds of hell, but i think he would have great difficulty acctually getting the fights though.

what does everyone think chocs next move will be?

Halfamill · Post by **Halfamill** » 19 Mar 2007, 00:02

How about Jeff Lacy or Beyer?

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 19 Mar 2007, 00:11

i think jeff lacy would be reluctant.....he goot beat up bad by joe, and than scrapped past vitali. mundine would beat him just like joe did.
Beyers not a bad idea...sure he's not at his best anymore but it would look good on mundines record, and im sure he would travel here for the right amount of money

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 19 Mar 2007, 00:49

Lets be serious here, based on Mundine's history, his next move will be to defend against a tomato can!

After that he may well try to get a big fight. As you say he is not a big name in the US, so a fight with Wright (who would outbox Mundine anyway) or Taylor (who Mundine might have a chance to outwork over the distance) is unlikely. Plus I don't think he should move down anyway...

I'm not sure a fight with Beyer would prove much at this point but it would be a lot better than fighting a Taxi Driver... I agree that Lacy would be reluctant to take the fight. You never know who Calzaghe will fight next and seeing a few losses on Mundines record might make it more attactive for Joe however I still don't see it happening. A rematch with Kessler could well be on the cards if the Dane can't get Calzaghe in the ring. Like most other people I see it going much the same as the last fight between the two.

So where does that all leave Mundine... I'm not sure. Perhaps he will lobby the comminsion to finally sanction a match with Darmel Castillo!?!

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 19 Mar 2007, 01:01

i agree with most of your points marlin....i think anthony will have trouble securing a winnable "superfight" so we will more than likley be treated to a mismatch. i hop im wrong, but the fact is most of the top fughters at 168 are europeans...and 9 times outta ten they wont leave thier backyard. and mundine dosent travel alot himself either. team mundine is gonna have to throw a LOT of money around to get a credible opponent over here.

as for middleweight i think he could beat the top fighters....but it will never happen

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 19 Mar 2007, 05:06

I think Mundine would beat ANY of the top middleweights, including Wright and Taylor, and I would favour him to beat any super middleweight with the possible exceptions of Kessler and Calzaghe.

Kessler I would favour to narrowly outpoint Mundine in a rematch, Mundine-Calzaghe will almost certainly never happen, but if it did I would narrowly favour Mundine.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Mar 2007, 08:34

Mundine's too fast, clean & sharp for those middleweights.

Lacy is rated highly by the WBA. Lacy sidestepped, giving Soliman the opportunity. Mundine would definitely outbox Lacy with ease, so I'm guessing no way does Lacy go abroad for another nightmare challenge.

I don't like the idea of moving down. What if he has much less stamina? We'd end up seeing the old hesitant Mundine.

Kessler looks like a brick wall for Mundine.

Hope that Mundine gets a big fight opportunity.

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 19 Mar 2007, 08:41

Mundine was too fast and clean for Siaca and Ottke wasn't he? So I'm sure he'll have no trouble with p4p top 5 fighters like Wright and Taylor... especially considering his masterful performance against Kessler.

'There are none so blind...'

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Mar 2007, 17:23

Siaca was beaten to the jab all night. So yes, Mundine was too fast and technically good for Siaca, even fighting one legged.

Hmm, Mundine was too fast for Ottke, his punches were way cleaner, but he dropped his glove like a a novice (technically he was, how many months a pro was he?) and Ottke landed the punch of his career.

Ottke's career was that of a feather fister but it was a wonderfully placed temple shot.

Modern boxing is too unforgiving when it comes to any loss. Too much importance is attached to clean slates, like Taylor's but how much did JT superstar learn in fights not against Hopkins & Wright?

Look at Wright, lost fairly to Vargas, fairly to Simon, fairly to the crude Vasquez (where was your defense, Winky, you went down 5 times!)...look what persistence, a bit of luck, fitness and a refined style got him. Look at Winky's example and tell me Mundine - with his superior style - can't do it.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 19 Mar 2007, 17:28

Taki... wrote:Mundine was too fast and clean for Siaca and Ottke wasn't he? So I'm sure he'll have no trouble with p4p top 5 fighters like Wright and Taylor... especially considering his masterful performance against Kessler.

'There are none so blind...'

Well put mate

Winky is undoubtably top three p4p, he would simply outclass Mundine. As I mentioned before I don't think Taylor is as clear cut but it's silly to say Mundine would have no problems. Mundine has improved since the fights you mentioned but he still loses to the top p4p guys...

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Mar 2007, 17:49

Marlin wrote:
Taki... wrote:Mundine was too fast and clean for Siaca and Ottke wasn't he? So I'm sure he'll have no trouble with p4p top 5 fighters like Wright and Taylor... especially considering his masterful performance against Kessler.

'There are none so blind...'
Well put mate

Winky is undoubtably top three p4p, he would simply outclass Mundine. As I mentioned before I don't think Taylor is as clear cut but it's silly to say Mundine would have no problems. Mundine has improved since the fights you mentioned but he still loses to the top p4p guys...

Winky and Taylor have been put on a pedestal that they don't deserve.

WW easily top 3? What a laugh.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 19 Mar 2007, 18:03

Taki... wrote:Mundine was too fast and clean for Siaca and Ottke wasn't he? So I'm sure he'll have no trouble with p4p top 5 fighters like Wright and Taylor... especially considering his masterful performance against Kessler.

'There are none so blind...'

No Mundine thread is complete without a daft taki statement.

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 19 Mar 2007, 18:41

pundit wrote:
Taki... wrote:Mundine was too fast and clean for Siaca and Ottke wasn't he? So I'm sure he'll have no trouble with p4p top 5 fighters like Wright and Taylor... especially considering his masterful performance against Kessler.

'There are none so blind...'
No Mundine thread is complete without a daft taki statement.

How is the view from down there, Pundit?

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 19 Mar 2007, 18:45

viciousmaussa wrote:
Marlin wrote:
Taki... wrote:Mundine was too fast and clean for Siaca and Ottke wasn't he? So I'm sure he'll have no trouble with p4p top 5 fighters like Wright and Taylor... especially considering his masterful performance against Kessler.

'There are none so blind...'
Well put mate

Winky is undoubtably top three p4p, he would simply outclass Mundine. As I mentioned before I don't think Taylor is as clear cut but it's silly to say Mundine would have no problems. Mundine has improved since the fights you mentioned but he still loses to the top p4p guys...
Winky and Taylor have been put on a pedestal that they don't deserve.

WW easily top 3? What a laugh.

And what exactly has Mundine done to put him on a par with Taylor and Wright. I don't seen any Hopkin's, Mosley's, Wright's or Taylor's on Mundines record. If you want to find quality on Mundine's record look for an 'L'.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 19 Mar 2007, 19:09

viciousmaussa wrote:Winky and Taylor have been put on a pedestal that they don't deserve.

WW easily top 3? What a laugh.

So where would you rank Wright?

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 19 Mar 2007, 19:12

Alright, let’s compare the pair. Here are the last seven opponents for both Wright and Mundine:

Anthony Mundine ------------ Ronald Wright

Sam Soliman -------------------- Ike Quartey

Ruben Eduardo Acosta -------- Jermain Taylor

Danny Green -------------------- Sam Soliman

Rico Chong Nee ----------------- Felix Trinidad

Rashid Matumla ----------------- Shane Mosley

Mikkel Kessler ------------------ Shane Mosley

Darmel Castillo ----------------- Angel Hernandez

You can’t seriously tell me that Wright isn’t a class above Mundine at least in terms of opposition faced and beaten…

Ross · Post by **Ross** » 19 Mar 2007, 22:08

Marlin wrote:
Taki... wrote:Mundine was too fast and clean for Siaca and Ottke wasn't he? So I'm sure he'll have no trouble with p4p top 5 fighters like Wright and Taylor... especially considering his masterful performance against Kessler.

'There are none so blind...'
Well put mate

Winky is undoubtably top three p4p, he would simply outclass Mundine. As I mentioned before I don't think Taylor is as clear cut but it's silly to say Mundine would have no problems. Mundine has improved since the fights you mentioned but he still loses to the top p4p guys...

I agree also

Ross

Maxime · Post by **Maxime** » 19 Mar 2007, 23:45

Gusmyl Perdomo
Dimitri Sartison
Epifanio Mendoza

One of these names is Mundine's next opponent. ;)

Ross · Post by **Ross** » 20 Mar 2007, 02:37

Maxime wrote:Gusmyl Perdomo
Dimitri Sartison
Epifanio Mendoza

One of these names is Mundine's next opponent. ;)

Or Shin Ching TaxiCab

Bigshot Camshat ding

Cho Bing Chi

Am sure Mundine and his crew have the names of all the cabbies in Asia and Argentina

Ross

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 20 Mar 2007, 04:27

Let's see some names that should be above Winky p4p. In no order in particular Pacquiao, Mayweather, Rafael Marquez, Juan Manuel Marquez, until last Sat Barrera, before he retired Masamori Tokuyama, before his injuries and weight woes Lorenzo Parra, before he lost to Hatton, Kostya Tszyu, before he became an old slapper, Hopkins.

I'm sure many of you could never see Winky Wright doing well after losing widely to the slow and cumbersome Julio Cesar Vasquez. Believe me, it wasn't WW's shoes that were the problem, it was the left hands he was tripping over. Losses to Vargas and Simon, shite performances vs JC Candelo and A Hernandez...JUST WHEN did the WW worship start? Everyone acts like he's always been a legend.

With Mundine, I see a lot of potential. The signs are there that he can do excellently after beating Green & Soliman in a manner NO ONE could have predicted. And there are a lot of good things to find in his allegedly 'feeble' losses to Ottke & Kessler, elite fighter. His defense is just right and so is his speed and punch delivery. Fine, you WON'T HAVE IT that he can achieve at the highest level, so don't be surprised if he does because there are plenty of signs.

Wright's had his best, Mundine's best is ahead of him. How can you compare full bodies of work, it's silly.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 20 Mar 2007, 04:30

Taki... wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
Marlin wrote: Well put mate

Winky is undoubtably top three p4p, he would simply outclass Mundine. As I mentioned before I don't think Taylor is as clear cut but it's silly to say Mundine would have no problems. Mundine has improved since the fights you mentioned but he still loses to the top p4p guys...
Winky and Taylor have been put on a pedestal that they don't deserve.

WW easily top 3? What a laugh.
And what exactly has Mundine done to put him on a par with Taylor and Wright. I don't seen any Hopkin's, Mosley's, Wright's or Taylor's on Mundines record. If you want to find quality on Mundine's record look for an 'L'.

By that reasoning Winky couldn't beat Vasquez (slow - where was your tunnel vision, Winky?), Simon (look at his feeble effort vs Rodney Jones, in America), Vargas = so it doesn't make sense that he beat Mosley (x2), Trinidad, Quartey.

Unless there's a serious reason, i.e. they were LITTLE & OLD.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 20 Mar 2007, 06:08

Marlin wrote:Alright, let’s compare the pair. Here are the last seven opponents for both Wright and Mundine:

Anthony Mundine ------------ Ronald Wright

Sam Soliman -------------------- Ike Quartey

Ruben Eduardo Acosta -------- Jermain Taylor

Danny Green -------------------- Sam Soliman

Rico Chong Nee ----------------- Felix Trinidad

Rashid Matumla ----------------- Shane Mosley

Mikkel Kessler ------------------ Shane Mosley

Darmel Castillo ----------------- Angel Hernandez

You can’t seriously tell me that Wright isn’t a class above Mundine at least in terms of opposition faced and beaten…

You forget to mention that Winky is at the end of his career and would be the much smaller fighter in the ring, Beating Lightweights like Mosley dosn't mean shit at 160-168 pounds.

Who has Wr5ight faced that had the size of Mundine with the hand speed and power of Mundine, Don't get me wrong i'm no Mundine nuthugger but Wrights defencive style is all wrong against someone quicker more powerful and as good a boxer as himself.

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 20 Mar 2007, 08:11

Ben Keilty wrote:
Marlin wrote:Alright, let’s compare the pair. Here are the last seven opponents for both Wright and Mundine:

Anthony Mundine ------------ Ronald Wright

Sam Soliman -------------------- Ike Quartey

Ruben Eduardo Acosta -------- Jermain Taylor

Danny Green -------------------- Sam Soliman

Rico Chong Nee ----------------- Felix Trinidad

Rashid Matumla ----------------- Shane Mosley

Mikkel Kessler ------------------ Shane Mosley

Darmel Castillo ----------------- Angel Hernandez

You can’t seriously tell me that Wright isn’t a class above Mundine at least in terms of opposition faced and beaten…
You forget to mention that Winky is at the end of his career and would be the much smaller fighter in the ring, Beating Lightweights like Mosley dosn't mean shit at 160-168 pounds.

Who has Wr5ight faced that had the size of Mundine with the hand speed and power of Mundine, Don't get me wrong i'm no Mundine nuthugger but Wrights defencive style is all wrong against someone quicker more powerful and as good a boxer as himself.

Er, Taylor is bigger than Mundine, has better handspeed than Mundine, and is a match for Mundine in the power stakes... and I had Winky winning that fight.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 20 Mar 2007, 08:29

Taki... wrote:
Ben Keilty wrote:
Marlin wrote:Alright, let’s compare the pair. Here are the last seven opponents for both Wright and Mundine:

Anthony Mundine ------------ Ronald Wright

Sam Soliman -------------------- Ike Quartey

Ruben Eduardo Acosta -------- Jermain Taylor

Danny Green -------------------- Sam Soliman

Rico Chong Nee ----------------- Felix Trinidad

Rashid Matumla ----------------- Shane Mosley

Mikkel Kessler ------------------ Shane Mosley

Darmel Castillo ----------------- Angel Hernandez

You can’t seriously tell me that Wright isn’t a class above Mundine at least in terms of opposition faced and beaten…
You forget to mention that Winky is at the end of his career and would be the much smaller fighter in the ring, Beating Lightweights like Mosley dosn't mean shit at 160-168 pounds.

Who has Wr5ight faced that had the size of Mundine with the hand speed and power of Mundine, Don't get me wrong i'm no Mundine nuthugger but Wrights defencive style is all wrong against someone quicker more powerful and as good a boxer as himself.
Er, Taylor is bigger than Mundine, has better handspeed than Mundine, and is a match for Mundine in the power stakes... and I had Winky winning that fight.

You must be kidding, When was the last time you watched Mundine?

Mundine would easily have the quickest hands since a prime RJJ at middle or supermiddle. Its fair enough if you don't like him but you should at least watch some fights before you talk crap on here.

Taylor has a completly diffrent style to Mundine, if you use the reasoning that u just used Soliman lost by 1-2 points against Wright but was KOd by Mundine and won only 1 round out of 8.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 20 Mar 2007, 09:00

Er, Taylor is bigger than Mundine, has better handspeed than Mundine, and is a match for Mundine in the power stakes... and I had Winky winning that fight.

You must be kidding, When was the last time you watched Mundine?

Mundine would easily have the quickest hands since a prime RJJ at middle or supermiddle. Its fair enough if you don't like him but you should at least watch some fights before you talk crap on here.

Taylor has a completly diffrent style to Mundine, if you use the reasoning that u just used Soliman lost by 1-2 points against Wright but was KOd by Mundine and won only 1 round out of 8.

I agree: Taki have you ever seen Mundine fight? Taylor is a slightly bigger man than Mundine, yes. I would actually rate his power a little above Mundine's also, but Mundine has clearly faster handspeed and footspeed than Taylor. Watching him at the moment is very similar to a prime RJJ (although RJJ had more power). I'm not even a Mundine fan, but having watched him of late I think he is a possible top 5 P4P if he gets the right fights. Also, I think Kessler would beat both Winky and Taylor if they fought at 168lb.