It was the last fight of the great Muhammad Ali in his peak prime. Too fast for Folley, who gave a great effort, but was not enough against "The Greatest".
Two rights and a left and the fight was over. The punches from Ali were so fast that it had to be replayed in slow motion.
If Ali not retire then, who was a candidate to beat him or ahd the best chance at that time? Joe Frazier? Thad Spencer? Leotis Martin? or Buster Mathis?
40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
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BrocktonBlockbuster49
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great question and the clear answer is joe frazier. frazier REALLY came into his own in 1967 when he demolished george chuvalo in 4 rounds ripping chuvalos eye open and making chuvalo turn to the referee and tell him to stop the fight(chuvalos wife tore into george after for quitting, calling him every name in the book).If Ali not retire then, who was a candidate to beat him or ahd the best chance at that time? Joe Frazier? Thad Spencer? Leotis Martin? or Buster Mathis?
frazier by late 1967-68 would be a really tough test for ali.
leotis martin thad spencer buster mathis good names but no match for ali.
Re: 40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
elmersalsa wrote:It was the last fight of the great Muhammad Ali in his peak prime. Too fast for Folley, who gave a great effort, but was not enough against "The Greatest".
Two rights and a left and the fight was over. The punches from Ali were so fast that it had to be replayed in slow motion.
If Ali not retire then, who was a candidate to beat him or ahd the best chance at that time? Joe Frazier? Thad Spencer? Leotis Martin? or Buster Mathis?
HOW OLD was Folley when he fought Ali?
How many other fighters also knocked out Folley,
but were never called the "greatest of all time" for doing that?
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The Great John L
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Re: 40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
Hmmm. In another thread you said he was called the “greatest of all time” for his two fights against Spinks. Which is it?granberry wrote:How many other fighters also knocked out Folley,
but were never called the "greatest of all time" for doing that?
Re: 40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
If Ali pulled down his pants and took a sh*t in the middle of the ringThe Great John L wrote:Hmmm. In another thread you said he was called the “greatest of all time” for his two fights against Spinks. Which is it?granberry wrote:How many other fighters also knocked out Folley,
but were never called the "greatest of all time" for doing that?
your "news" media would say that that proved he was the "greatest of all time."
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The Great John L
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Re: 40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
You seem to keep changing your mind on why exactly Al was called the “greatest of all time”. Now you’ve come up with this one, which I’m not sure I remember being reported in the news sources I frequent.granberry wrote:If Ali pulled down his pants and took a sh*t in the middle of the ringThe Great John L wrote:Hmmm. In another thread you said he was called the “greatest of all time” for his two fights against Spinks. Which is it?granberry wrote:How many other fighters also knocked out Folley,
but were never called the "greatest of all time" for doing that?
your "news" media would say that that proved he was the "greatest of all time."
Re: 40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
Keep looking and I am sure you will find it.The Great John L wrote:You seem to keep changing your mind on why exactly Al was called the “greatest of all time”. Now you’ve come up with this one, which I’m not sure I remember being reported in the news sources I frequent.granberry wrote:If Ali pulled down his pants and took a sh*t in the middle of the ringThe Great John L wrote: Hmmm. In another thread you said he was called the “greatest of all time” for his two fights against Spinks. Which is it?
your "news" media would say that that proved he was the "greatest of all time."
There is more manure expelled every day by the Ali industry.
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BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:great question and the clear answer is joe frazier. frazier REALLY came into his own in 1967 when he demolished george chuvalo in 4 rounds ripping chuvalos eye open and making chuvalo turn to the referee and tell him to stop the fight(chuvalos wife tore into george after for quitting, calling him every name in the book).If Ali not retire then, who was a candidate to beat him or ahd the best chance at that time? Joe Frazier? Thad Spencer? Leotis Martin? or Buster Mathis?
frazier by late 1967-68 would be a really tough test for ali.
leotis martin thad spencer buster mathis good names but no match for ali.
George Chuvalo was just on Ringside talking about his fight with George Foreman and how it was his wife who ran up to the ring and started yelling at Arthur Mecante to stop the fight. Now I realize the two were different fights, but it seems sort of strange that in one fight Chuvalo's wife would curse him up one side and down the other for quitting and then in another fight turn around and beg the refferee to stop the fight.
Silkov alias Miss Leftwing, has never forgiven Ali for his various stumblings inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his Young Communist League mask...silkov wrote:Granberry alias Terap, has never forgiven Ali for his various acheivements inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his klu klux klan mask... its sad, poor ole Granny...
Is that the best you can do???.... I've heard better insults from 3 yearolds....granberry wrote:Silkov alias Miss Leftwing, has never forgiven Ali for his various stumblings inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his Young Communist League mask...silkov wrote:Granberry alias Terap, has never forgiven Ali for his various acheivements inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his klu klux klan mask... its sad, poor ole Granny...
Read your own post quoted above, three-year-old.silkov wrote:Is that the best you can do???.... I've heard better insults from 3 yearolds....granberry wrote:Silkov alias Miss Leftwing, has never forgiven Ali for his various stumblings inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his Young Communist League mask...silkov wrote:Granberry alias Terap, has never forgiven Ali for his various acheivements inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his klu klux klan mask... its sad, poor ole Granny...
granberry wrote:Read your own post quoted above, three-year-old.silkov wrote:Is that the best you can do???.... I've heard better insults from 3 yearolds....granberry wrote: Silkov alias Miss Leftwing, has never forgiven Ali for his various stumblings inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his Young Communist League mask...
Yawn...
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Re: 40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
Yeah, but Ali achieved a few other things in his career, besides his kayo of Folley. Mac Foster and Alejandro Lavorante dont really compare so well.granberry wrote: How many other fighters also knocked out Folley,
but were never called the "greatest of all time" for doing that?
YOU LIE, milky.milky skin wrote:foley said he was impressed with ali's power.
Folley was quoted in Sports Illustrated the week after that fight.
He said specifically that Ali was not a good puncher.
He gave Liston as the example of a real puncher. "But that was ten years ago," Folley said, referring to his fight with Liston.
WHAT ARE YOU SELLING, milky?
WHY DO YOU LIE?
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milky skin
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granberry wrote:YOU LIE, milky.milky skin wrote:foley said he was impressed with ali's power.
Folley was quoted in Sports Illustrated the week after that fight.
He said specifically that Ali was not a good puncher.
He gave Liston as the example of a real puncher. "But that was ten years ago," Folley said, referring to his fight with Liston.
WHAT ARE YOU SELLING, milky?
WHY DO YOU LIE?
folley was quoted as saying that "joe louis would never of being able to beat ali . Louis wouldnt of being able to take alis speed and power".
liston said after his fight with ali "thats not the guy i was meant to fight that guy could punch" .
foreman listed ali as one of the hardest punchers he faced. he said ali had deceptive power.
You LIE some more milky.milky skin wrote:granberry wrote:YOU LIE, milky.milky skin wrote:foley said he was impressed with ali's power.
Folley was quoted in Sports Illustrated the week after that fight.
He said specifically that Ali was not a good puncher.
He gave Liston as the example of a real puncher. "But that was ten years ago," Folley said, referring to his fight with Liston.
WHAT ARE YOU SELLING, milky?
WHY DO YOU LIE?
folley was quoted as saying that "joe louis would never of being able to beat ali . Louis wouldnt of being able to take alis speed and power".
liston said after his fight with ali "thats not the guy i was meant to fight that guy could punch" .
foreman listed ali as one of the hardest punchers he faced. he said ali had deceptive power.
The only sources for your lies are your own milky imagination.
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Actually, I have to call you out on this one. Foreman has said numerous times Ali was NOT a big puncher and he was not hurt at all by his punches.milky skin wrote:granberry wrote:YOU LIE, milky.milky skin wrote:foley said he was impressed with ali's power.
Folley was quoted in Sports Illustrated the week after that fight.
He said specifically that Ali was not a good puncher.
He gave Liston as the example of a real puncher. "But that was ten years ago," Folley said, referring to his fight with Liston.
WHAT ARE YOU SELLING, milky?
WHY DO YOU LIE?
folley was quoted as saying that "joe louis would never of being able to beat ali . Louis wouldnt of being able to take alis speed and power".
liston said after his fight with ali "thats not the guy i was meant to fight that guy could punch" .
foreman listed ali as one of the hardest punchers he faced. he said ali had deceptive power.
At the same time I do think Ali is somewhat under-rated in term of his punching power.
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LOLsilkov wrote:Is that the best you can do???.... I've heard better insults from 3 yearolds....granberry wrote:Silkov alias Miss Leftwing, has never forgiven Ali for his various stumblings inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his Young Communist League mask...silkov wrote:Granberry alias Terap, has never forgiven Ali for his various acheivements inside and out of the ring.... he still cries himself to sleep over it everynight behind his klu klux klan mask... its sad, poor ole Granny...
Re: 40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
deleted.granberry wrote:If Ali pulled down his pants and took a sh*t in the middle of the ringThe Great John L wrote:Hmmm. In another thread you said he was called the “greatest of all time” for his two fights against Spinks. Which is it?granberry wrote:How many other fighters also knocked out Folley,
but were never called the "greatest of all time" for doing that?
your "news" media would say that that proved he was the "greatest of all time."
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granberry wrote:You LIE some more milky.milky skin wrote:granberry wrote: YOU LIE, milky.
Folley was quoted in Sports Illustrated the week after that fight.
He said specifically that Ali was not a good puncher.
He gave Liston as the example of a real puncher. "But that was ten years ago," Folley said, referring to his fight with Liston.
WHAT ARE YOU SELLING, milky?
WHY DO YOU LIE?
folley was quoted as saying that "joe louis would never of being able to beat ali . Louis wouldnt of being able to take alis speed and power".
liston said after his fight with ali "thats not the guy i was meant to fight that guy could punch" .
foreman listed ali as one of the hardest punchers he faced. he said ali had deceptive power.
The only sources for your lies are your own milky imagination.
I went to New York to win the championship. I wouldn't have gone if I did not think I could win. I was confident. But Ali beat me at my own game. He did the same thing to Liston (knocked him out with a right hand, didn't he); Williams, another big puncher, Ali knocked him out in short order. Terrell, the great jabber, what happened to him? He got outjabbed. And Patterson, the guy with superspeed hands, couldn't match Ali and just stood around and got punched to pieces.
"The right hands Ali hit me with just had no business landing—but they did. They came from nowhere. Many times he was in the wrong position but he hit me anyway. Blatt! and the punch connected. I've never seen anyone who could do that. The knockdown punch was so fast that I never saw it. He has lots of snap, and when the punches land they dizzy your head; they fuzz up your mind.
"The first time I went down, I wasn't hurt, but I didn't know what had happened. Suddenly I became aware of the noise and then I saw Ali standing over me, and I figured I was down. So I wheeled around to look at my corner, to find out the count. I kept thinking, was that a right hand he hit me with? So what did he do but hit me with the same punch again in the seventh round and knock me out. I can't believe it, but that's what he did.
"He's smart. The trickiest fighter I've seen. He's had 29 fights and acts like he's had a hundred. He could write the book on boxing, and anyone that fights him should be made to read it first.
"I did things to Ali that have never been done before. He missed more punches and landed fewer than with all of those other guys he's been in with. I also cut the ring on him, reduced it so consistently that he chose to stand and fight. He's a safety-first fighter, no matter how foolish he looks. And I made him fight. That could have been my worst mistake, making him fight. I hurt him to the body, but he's tough. You can tell from the way he's put together that he's got pride. The man's a real fighter. Look at the way he acts out of the ring and you can see that. In the ring the guy doesn't show when he's been hurt. Not even the smallest sign, the way most fighters do. He beat me good, but he didn't beat me bad.
"There's just no way to train yourself for what he does: the moves, the speed, the punches and the way he changes style every time you think you got him figured. Wendell Newton, my sparring partner, jumped around and he was awkward, but he wasn't Ali. Ali is something else. I fought middleweights, even smaller men and they weren't as fast. This guy has a style all of his own. It's far ahead of any fighter's around today, so how could those oldtime fighters, you know, Dempsey, Tunney or any of them keep up? Louis wouldn't have a chance—he was too slow. Marciano couldn't get to him, and he would never get away from Ali's jab. The only one who would have a good chance was Ezzard Charles, a real fast heavyweight who was smart and was perhaps the best combination puncher of them all."
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ThatOne wrote:granberry wrote:You LIE some more milky.milky skin wrote:
folley was quoted as saying that "joe louis would never of being able to beat ali . Louis wouldnt of being able to take alis speed and power".
liston said after his fight with ali "thats not the guy i was meant to fight that guy could punch" .
foreman listed ali as one of the hardest punchers he faced. he said ali had deceptive power.
The only sources for your lies are your own milky imagination.
I went to New York to win the championship. I wouldn't have gone if I did not think I could win. I was confident. But Ali beat me at my own game. He did the same thing to Liston (knocked him out with a right hand, didn't he); Williams, another big puncher, Ali knocked him out in short order. Terrell, the great jabber, what happened to him? He got outjabbed. And Patterson, the guy with superspeed hands, couldn't match Ali and just stood around and got punched to pieces.
"The right hands Ali hit me with just had no business landing—but they did. They came from nowhere. Many times he was in the wrong position but he hit me anyway. Blatt! and the punch connected. I've never seen anyone who could do that. The knockdown punch was so fast that I never saw it. He has lots of snap, and when the punches land they dizzy your head; they fuzz up your mind.
"The first time I went down, I wasn't hurt, but I didn't know what had happened. Suddenly I became aware of the noise and then I saw Ali standing over me, and I figured I was down. So I wheeled around to look at my corner, to find out the count. I kept thinking, was that a right hand he hit me with? So what did he do but hit me with the same punch again in the seventh round and knock me out. I can't believe it, but that's what he did.
"He's smart. The trickiest fighter I've seen. He's had 29 fights and acts like he's had a hundred. He could write the book on boxing, and anyone that fights him should be made to read it first.
"I did things to Ali that have never been done before. He missed more punches and landed fewer than with all of those other guys he's been in with. I also cut the ring on him, reduced it so consistently that he chose to stand and fight. He's a safety-first fighter, no matter how foolish he looks. And I made him fight. That could have been my worst mistake, making him fight. I hurt him to the body, but he's tough. You can tell from the way he's put together that he's got pride. The man's a real fighter. Look at the way he acts out of the ring and you can see that. In the ring the guy doesn't show when he's been hurt. Not even the smallest sign, the way most fighters do. He beat me good, but he didn't beat me bad.
"There's just no way to train yourself for what he does: the moves, the speed, the punches and the way he changes style every time you think you got him figured. Wendell Newton, my sparring partner, jumped around and he was awkward, but he wasn't Ali. Ali is something else. I fought middleweights, even smaller men and they weren't as fast. This guy has a style all of his own. It's far ahead of any fighter's around today, so how could those oldtime fighters, you know, Dempsey, Tunney or any of them keep up? Louis wouldn't have a chance—he was too slow. Marciano couldn't get to him, and he would never get away from Ali's jab. The only one who would have a good chance was Ezzard Charles, a real fast heavyweight who was smart and was perhaps the best combination puncher of them all."
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Folley was very grateful to Ali for getting him a nice payday at the close of his career.
Ali liked Folley because Folley was very respectful towards him.
It was a mutual admiration thing.
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yancey wrote:ThatOne wrote:granberry wrote: You LIE some more milky.
The only sources for your lies are your own milky imagination.
I went to New York to win the championship. I wouldn't have gone if I did not think I could win. I was confident. But Ali beat me at my own game. He did the same thing to Liston (knocked him out with a right hand, didn't he); Williams, another big puncher, Ali knocked him out in short order. Terrell, the great jabber, what happened to him? He got outjabbed. And Patterson, the guy with superspeed hands, couldn't match Ali and just stood around and got punched to pieces.
"The right hands Ali hit me with just had no business landing—but they did. They came from nowhere. Many times he was in the wrong position but he hit me anyway. Blatt! and the punch connected. I've never seen anyone who could do that. The knockdown punch was so fast that I never saw it. He has lots of snap, and when the punches land they dizzy your head; they fuzz up your mind.
"The first time I went down, I wasn't hurt, but I didn't know what had happened. Suddenly I became aware of the noise and then I saw Ali standing over me, and I figured I was down. So I wheeled around to look at my corner, to find out the count. I kept thinking, was that a right hand he hit me with? So what did he do but hit me with the same punch again in the seventh round and knock me out. I can't believe it, but that's what he did.
"He's smart. The trickiest fighter I've seen. He's had 29 fights and acts like he's had a hundred. He could write the book on boxing, and anyone that fights him should be made to read it first.
"I did things to Ali that have never been done before. He missed more punches and landed fewer than with all of those other guys he's been in with. I also cut the ring on him, reduced it so consistently that he chose to stand and fight. He's a safety-first fighter, no matter how foolish he looks. And I made him fight. That could have been my worst mistake, making him fight. I hurt him to the body, but he's tough. You can tell from the way he's put together that he's got pride. The man's a real fighter. Look at the way he acts out of the ring and you can see that. In the ring the guy doesn't show when he's been hurt. Not even the smallest sign, the way most fighters do. He beat me good, but he didn't beat me bad.
"There's just no way to train yourself for what he does: the moves, the speed, the punches and the way he changes style every time you think you got him figured. Wendell Newton, my sparring partner, jumped around and he was awkward, but he wasn't Ali. Ali is something else. I fought middleweights, even smaller men and they weren't as fast. This guy has a style all of his own. It's far ahead of any fighter's around today, so how could those oldtime fighters, you know, Dempsey, Tunney or any of them keep up? Louis wouldn't have a chance—he was too slow. Marciano couldn't get to him, and he would never get away from Ali's jab. The only one who would have a good chance was Ezzard Charles, a real fast heavyweight who was smart and was perhaps the best combination puncher of them all."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm
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Folley was very grateful to Ali for getting him a nice payday at the close of his career.
Ali liked Folley because Folley was very respectful towards him.
It was a mutual admiration thing.
I agree with everything you said, yancey. However on several occasions granberry has accused me and others of fabricating the quote. Now the quote exists with an original cource and a citation.
Also, it's interesting that Granberry has argued that since Folley was old the victory somehow doesn't count. Ironically, Folley was less than two years older than Ali when he won his hotly contested and hotly disputed decision over Jimmy Young.
I might get carried away at times but I like to think I'm an honest debater. I don't like deceptive and dishonest debaters.
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Re: 40 years ago: Ali vs Zora Folley
I hope you weren't going to endorse that aberrant nonsense.yancey wrote:deleted.granberry wrote:If Ali pulled down his pants and took a sh*t in the middle of the ringThe Great John L wrote: Hmmm. In another thread you said he was called the “greatest of all time” for his two fights against Spinks. Which is it?
your "news" media would say that that proved he was the "greatest of all time."