So what did we all make of Beyer v Green?

[Kilburn]

I'm assuming I wasn't the only one flicking between Sky and Eurosport last night at about 9pm? It was a horrible headbutt from Green. Firing jabs at the cut is fine, but to actually aim the back of your head at it in a clinch is just disgraceful.

I actually thought the fight was just warming up. Sure Beyer had a terrible opening 2 rounds but he was gritting his teeth and firing back well before the premature finish. No way was he out of the fight.

Green can clearly box a bit and is very tough but I wouldn't necessarily pick him in a rematch. Beyer isn't just going to hand him the title without a long hard fight. He looked pretty sturdy after each of the knockdowns.


God what about that BLATANT robbery in the fight before? Okay Holdsworth was probably a little bit unkind with his 80-72 scoreline for the Kenyan but there's no way the German came anywhere close to winning that fight. You had to laugh really.

[MightyWarrior]

Yes Beyer did well to come back after that shocking start - he was boxing well a few rounds later, though I had the impression the Ausie was going to catch him sooner or later, especialy with that cut hindering his vision.

Green threw it away with that blatant headbut & would've likely won on cuts if he'd controlled himself a but more.

Still can't get over how the ref bottled it like that - he'd made his call: A final warning, then stopped it on the doc's advice. Right or wrong, that was his call.

Then the Germans realised the scorecards were going to mean their man had lost, and spent 10 minutes convincing him he should've dsq the aussie, which he duly did.

[bennie]

I actually missed the final moments; only switched over when the disqualification was being announced. Green seemed to take it okay, which suggests to me that he knew he'd done wrong. I think I saw Jeff Fenech storm out of the ring mind you.
Beyer looked concussed.

[steve689]

I'm assuming I wasn't the only one flicking between Sky and Eurosport last night at about 9pm? It was a horrible headbutt from Green. Firing jabs at the cut is fine, but to actually aim the back of your head at it in a clinch is just disgraceful.

I actually thought the fight was just warming up. Sure Beyer had a terrible opening 2 rounds but he was gritting his teeth and firing back well before the premature finish. No way was he out of the fight.

Green can clearly box a bit and is very tough but I wouldn't necessarily pick him in a rematch. Beyer isn't just going to hand him the title without a long hard fight. He looked pretty sturdy after each of the knockdowns.


God what about that BLATANT robbery in the fight before? Okay Holdsworth was probably a little bit unkind with his 80-72 scoreline for the Kenyan but there's no way the German came anywhere close to winning that fight. You had to laugh really.

Yes i just e mailed Holdsworth about that fight beforehand, Kai Kurzawa-Lolenga Mock. it was one of the worst decisions i have ever seen and went way beyond "home fighter" syndrome it was a corrupt and disgraceful verdict. Kurzawa is somewhat of a novelty on the main current scene forum between me and dutch windmill, very much in the ottke, beyer, haussler curruption decisions mould but he is a seriously passive dire fighter who relies on scandalous robberies to win fights. THERE I HAVE SAID IT!!!

[Brett Paul Dunbar]

I don't think that allowing a fighter to seal a win by deliberate fouling can be permitted. There is a good chance that if Green-Beyer had gone to the scorecards Green would have won, effectively rewarding him for a flagrent foul.
The referee apparently misinterpreted the rules in force, the promoter queried his interpretation and, after consultation, the referee recognised that he had initially made an error. Beyer was unable to continue as a direct result of a foul by Green, therefore Green had to be disqualified.

[stujones]

I decided to stick with the Fight Skool and I missed the fight last night.

Anyway, another perspective of this is that the referee had given Green the punishment for the foul - then the scorecards were tallied (in which Green WAS ahead) then surprisingly a change of verdict from a pts decision win to a DQ loss was announded.

For me, the ref had given Green the punishement, the two points was his punishment - really if the butt was that bad then the ref should have instantly DQ'd him. The fight should have gone to the cards.

A question to those who saw it, when exactly was the contest stop, was the last action the head butt or did the fighters box on for a little bit. If the fighter did box on for a little bit, then technically there's no way a DQ verdicted should have been allowed.

Green had his punishment and the ref is supposed to be the one to decide if the offense warranted a DQ, or a two-point deduction, he chose the latter so thats how it should have stayed.

[Dutch Windmill]

This is an article on secondsout

Also watch the last three lines! This means Green signs with Sauerland if he accepts the fight!

Sauerland offers Danny Green a Beyer rematch

By Paul Upham: Danny Green’s trainer/manager Jeff Fenech confirmed to SecondsOut on Wednesday that an offer has been received from German promoter Wilfried Sauerland for a rematch with WBC super middleweight champion Markus Beyer in Germany on November 22. The first Beyer-Green clash ended in controversy on August 16 when Green was sensationally disqualified after a head clash in the fifth round, despite having completely dominated the fight and having Beyer on the canvas with right hands in the first and second rounds.

“I will sit down with Danny and weigh up our options,” said Fenech, “but I have no doubt that this kid will be world champion when he gets the chance to fight for the title again. I’d like to see him fight in Germany once more because I know he can win.”

30 year-old Green, 16-1 (16), is understandably reluctant to go back to fight in Germany, but would take great confidence into the rematch after the way he dominated the five rounds they have fought.

“As good as Danny was in the last fight, he’ll be even better the next time around. We just want to fight for the title and we are waiting for the WBC to make a ruling and we will abide by their decision,” said Fenech.

Canadian WBC No.1 Eric Lucas who was made the mandatory contender after his own controversial loss to 32 year-old Beyer, 28-1 (11), on April 5, will no doubt want to get his rematch with Beyer before Green does.

It is understood that Saulerland’s offer carries a substantial rise in purse from the first fight for Green, but requires the Australian to sign over promotional options on his next three fights.

[kostyaisnumberone]

originally posted by stujones:

"Anyway, another perspective of this is that the referee had given Green the punishment for the foul - then the scorecards were tallied (in which Green WAS ahead) then surprisingly a change of verdict from a pts decision win to a DQ loss was announded.

For me, the ref had given Green the punishement, the two points was his punishment - really if the butt was that bad then the ref should have instantly DQ'd him. The fight should have gone to the cards."


that is spot on. If the headbutt was as bad as everyone thinks why did he only deduct points?
green was WAY ahead on the cards.
beyer was not even in the contest.
the cut was not caused by the headbutt.
it should have gone to the cards.

[Brett Paul Dunbar]

The fight was stopped immediately on the headbutt, the two point deduction came before the doctor checked the cut and determined Beyer was unable to continue. The referee made a mistake in thinking the fight should go to the scorecards when the fight is stopped during a break due to a deliberate foul.