Mundine's next move?

[Sweet P]

Mosley was stuck on the outside trying to get past Winky's jab, in the exact same way Trinidad was. Wright kept both those guys on the outside eating punches and controlled the distance. How is he going to establish the jab against the bigger guy with a longer reach and faster hands in Mundine? Not going to happen. You take that jab away and Wright has nothing to offer offensively. He has'nt had a knockout in about 5 years, he's not going to turn brawler all of a sudden and take it to the trenches.

Where have you been the last few weeks, Ive been trying to tell people that Wright is all wrong for Mundine, He struggled to beat Soliman and simply dosn't have the power to keep Mundine off him.

[Marlin]

Nice response.

I'd like to hear how you think Winky would win that. He's smaller than Mundine. He's slower. He's older. Less power. Little offensive versatility. He's got nothing Mundine needs be worried about it. Its an easy win for Mundine. I said Mundine would get his ass beat by Kessler (and bet on it too), and was right. I said Mundine would easily destroy Soliman, and thats the way it went down. You can bet I'd make it 3 from 3 if that fight ever comes of.

I noticed someone ealier said Taylor had faster hands than Mundine....

I have talked about this at some length recently and I'm getting a bit sick of it... You have your opinion I have mine, you may not think Wright could establish the jab or counter Mundine, I think he can. Class is a telling factor and Wright has it all over Mundine. I would love to see them get in the ring so we could find out once and for all however I doubt it will happen. Wright has recently fought the likes of Mosley, Trinidad, Taylor and his next fight is against Hopkins! Wright clearly has bigger fish to fry and I don't think Mundine is on his radar at all...

[R_jay]

lol, not here. I was looking for some info on William Kickett and ended up here..... and just had to add my 2 cents and straighten a few people out :P

[R_jay]

Nice response.

I'd like to hear how you think Winky would win that. He's smaller than Mundine. He's slower. He's older. Less power. Little offensive versatility. He's got nothing Mundine needs be worried about it. Its an easy win for Mundine. I said Mundine would get his ass beat by Kessler (and bet on it too), and was right. I said Mundine would easily destroy Soliman, and thats the way it went down. You can bet I'd make it 3 from 3 if that fight ever comes of.

I noticed someone ealier said Taylor had faster hands than Mundine....

I have talked about this at some length recently and I'm getting a bit sick of it... You have your opinion I have mine, you may not think Wright could establish the jab or counter Mundine, I think he can. Class is a telling factor and Wright has it all over Mundine. I would love to see them get in the ring so we could find out once and for all however I doubt it will happen. Wright has recently fought the likes of Mosley, Trinidad, Taylor and his next fight is against Hopkins! Wright clearly has bigger fish to fry and I don't think Mundine is on his radar at all...

Mundine won't be on his radar. But your arguement is flawed..... by fighting Trinidad, Taylor and Mosley this somehow proves he will beat Mundine. It does'nt work this way, otherwise guys who have faced good comp would never get beat, but they lose to lesser accomplished fighters all the time. Its not the pedigree its the actions in the ring. I'm willing to stake my reputation (not that I have one) that whatever guy Mundine fights next not named Kessler gets his ass beat and beat easy. Especially if its a former 154 pound champion in Wright. Its an easy, easy, easy fight. Wright can't crack and egg and offers nothing.

[Taki...]

Nice response.

I'd like to hear how you think Winky would win that. He's smaller than Mundine. He's slower. He's older. Less power. Little offensive versatility. He's got nothing Mundine needs be worried about it. Its an easy win for Mundine. I said Mundine would get his ass beat by Kessler (and bet on it too), and was right. I said Mundine would easily destroy Soliman, and thats the way it went down. You can bet I'd make it 3 from 3 if that fight ever comes of.

I noticed someone ealier said Taylor had faster hands than Mundine....

I have talked about this at some length recently and I'm getting a bit sick of it... You have your opinion I have mine, you may not think Wright could establish the jab or counter Mundine, I think he can. Class is a telling factor and Wright has it all over Mundine. I would love to see them get in the ring so we could find out once and for all however I doubt it will happen. Wright has recently fought the likes of Mosley, Trinidad, Taylor and his next fight is against Hopkins! Wright clearly has bigger fish to fry and I don't think Mundine is on his radar at all...

Mundine won't be on his radar. But your arguement is flawed..... by fighting Trinidad, Taylor and Mosley this somehow proves he will beat Mundine. It does'nt work this way, otherwise guys who have faced good comp would never get beat, but they lose to lesser accomplished fighters all the time. Its not the pedigree its the actions in the ring. I'm willing to stake my reputation (not that I have one) that whatever guy Mundine fights next not named Kessler gets his ass beat and beat easy. Especially if its a former 154 pound champion in Wright. Its an easy, easy, easy fight. Wright can't crack and egg and offers nothing.

Wright has little power, but that hasn't stopped him handing out losses to slick boxers and power punchers in the past. Wright couldn't keep Soliman off him (nor did he try to), but his defence is so good it made no difference.

[Marlin]

Ive been trying to tell people that Wright is all wrong for Mundine, He struggled to beat Soliman and simply dosn't have the power to keep Mundine off him.

Sort of like Calzaghe was all wrong for Lacy?

In the same way Mayweather 'struggled' to beat Baldomir? Just because you don't knock someone out doesn't mean you struggled with them. Wright never looked like losing that fight. Would you try and tell me that Paulo Alejandro Sanchez is better than Mayweather because he stopped Baldomir and Mayweather didn't? Of course not...

I understand that you and R_Jay are making the point that styles make fights, I am trying to point out that it is one thing to show speed against Rico Chong Nee but it is very different to show it against someone at the level of Wright. Just as it is one thing to show power against Reid and another to show it against Calzaghe. Over the last 4 years Sam Soliman is probably the best opponent Mundine has beaten, in the same time Soliman is probably the worst opponent Wright has faced... You guys may think big fight experience isn't a factor, but it is.

[Your mental superior]

All I care about is I hope people stop seeking a rematch for Mundine against Kessler. Kessler beat Mundine with ease. Mundine has improved but he will need 10 chances to beat Kessler once.

I had Kessler 8-4 far from beating him with ease, Kesslers fight with Mundine would be by far the most competitive fight Kessler has been in.

Again, it was easy work for Kessler I had it 9-3 and even your score indicates a pretty easy fight. Not only that, the fight's outcome was never in doubt, even in Australia. It was not a competetive fight under any meaningful definition of the word. Mundine is good, but he is more an A- fighter. He also is not confident in his chin. Siaca, who is a B-/C+ level fighter hurt him and Mundine was on his bike.

[Sweet P]

All I care about is I hope people stop seeking a rematch for Mundine against Kessler. Kessler beat Mundine with ease. Mundine has improved but he will need 10 chances to beat Kessler once.

I had Kessler 8-4 far from beating him with ease, Kesslers fight with Mundine would be by far the most competitive fight Kessler has been in.

Again, it was easy work for Kessler I had it 9-3 and even your score indicates a pretty easy fight. Not only that, the fight's outcome was never in doubt, even in Australia. It was not a competetive fight under any meaningful definition of the word. Mundine is good, but he is more an A- fighter. He also is not confident in his chin. Siaca, who is a B-/C+ level fighter hurt him and Mundine was on his bike.

Mundine is an a- fighter but he is learning more with every fight, Over the last year or 2 since he started training with RJSnr he has made huge improvments in his confidence and his ability.

[Sweet P]

Ive been trying to tell people that Wright is all wrong for Mundine, He struggled to beat Soliman and simply dosn't have the power to keep Mundine off him.

Sort of like Calzaghe was all wrong for Lacy?

In the same way Mayweather 'struggled' to beat Baldomir? Just because you don't knock someone out doesn't mean you struggled with them. Wright never looked like losing that fight. Would you try and tell me that Paulo Alejandro Sanchez is better than Mayweather because he stopped Baldomir and Mayweather didn't? Of course not...

I understand that you and R_Jay are making the point that styles make fights, I am trying to point out that it is one thing to show speed against Rico Chong Nee but it is very different to show it against someone at the level of Wright. Just as it is one thing to show power against Reid and another to show it against Calzaghe. Over the last 4 years Sam Soliman is probably the best opponent Mundine has beaten, in the same time Soliman is probably the worst opponent Wright has faced... You guys may think big fight experience isn't a factor, but it is.

Your clutching at straws, Lacy and Baldomir are flat footed brawlers Mundine is the total opposite to both.

Wright looked pathetic against Soliman and only won by a round or 2, Mundine just annihalated Soliman and i know styles make fights but continueing to put Wright on a pedastal is rediculous.

[Your mental superior]

I had Kessler 8-4 far from beating him with ease, Kesslers fight with Mundine would be by far the most competitive fight Kessler has been in.

Again, it was easy work for Kessler I had it 9-3 and even your score indicates a pretty easy fight. Not only that, the fight's outcome was never in doubt, even in Australia. It was not a competetive fight under any meaningful definition of the word. Mundine is good, but he is more an A- fighter. He also is not confident in his chin. Siaca, who is a B-/C+ level fighter hurt him and Mundine was on his bike.

Mundine is amazing to me because he started so late, but still he should stay away from Kessler. Joe is slipping but he still might be too much. Winky Wright is my favorite fighter and I think at 168 Mundine would win a UD even in Las Vegas. Mundine could be the real champ if Joe and Mikkel move up.

Mundine is an a- fighter but he is learning more with every fight, Over the last year or 2 since he started training with RJSnr he has made huge improvments in his confidence and his ability.

[Marlin]

Ive been trying to tell people that Wright is all wrong for Mundine, He struggled to beat Soliman and simply dosn't have the power to keep Mundine off him.

Sort of like Calzaghe was all wrong for Lacy?

In the same way Mayweather 'struggled' to beat Baldomir? Just because you don't knock someone out doesn't mean you struggled with them. Wright never looked like losing that fight. Would you try and tell me that Paulo Alejandro Sanchez is better than Mayweather because he stopped Baldomir and Mayweather didn't? Of course not...

I understand that you and R_Jay are making the point that styles make fights, I am trying to point out that it is one thing to show speed against Rico Chong Nee but it is very different to show it against someone at the level of Wright. Just as it is one thing to show power against Reid and another to show it against Calzaghe. Over the last 4 years Sam Soliman is probably the best opponent Mundine has beaten, in the same time Soliman is probably the worst opponent Wright has faced... You guys may think big fight experience isn't a factor, but it is.

Your clutching at straws, Lacy and Baldomir are flat footed brawlers Mundine is the total opposite to both.

Wright looked pathetic against Soliman and only won by a round or 2, Mundine just annihalated Soliman and i know styles make fights but continueing to put Wright on a pedastal is rediculous.

I think you missed the point, I was comparing the situations not the fighters!?!

How many Wright fights have you actually seen? Have you even seen his fight with Soliman cause it doesn't sound like it...

I can't believe you can say it is ridiculous to put Wright on a pedastal after what he has achieved in his career yet you're happy to place Mundine on a higher pedastal based on what little he has done!

[Taki...]

Sort of like Calzaghe was all wrong for Lacy?

In the same way Mayweather 'struggled' to beat Baldomir? Just because you don't knock someone out doesn't mean you struggled with them. Wright never looked like losing that fight. Would you try and tell me that Paulo Alejandro Sanchez is better than Mayweather because he stopped Baldomir and Mayweather didn't? Of course not...

I understand that you and R_Jay are making the point that styles make fights, I am trying to point out that it is one thing to show speed against Rico Chong Nee but it is very different to show it against someone at the level of Wright. Just as it is one thing to show power against Reid and another to show it against Calzaghe. Over the last 4 years Sam Soliman is probably the best opponent Mundine has beaten, in the same time Soliman is probably the worst opponent Wright has faced... You guys may think big fight experience isn't a factor, but it is.

Your clutching at straws, Lacy and Baldomir are flat footed brawlers Mundine is the total opposite to both.

Wright looked pathetic against Soliman and only won by a round or 2, Mundine just annihalated Soliman and i know styles make fights but continueing to put Wright on a pedastal is rediculous.

I think you missed the point, I was comparing the situations not the fighters!?!

How many Wright fights have you actually seen? Have you even seen his fight with Soliman cause it doesn't sound like it...

I can't believe you can say it is ridiculous to put Wright on a pedastal after what he has achieved in his career yet you're happy to place Mundine on a higher pedastal based on what little he has done!

You're dead right, mate. The best win on Mundine's record is still his points victory over an aging Antwun Echols in 2003. Mundine has fought 2 top drawer opponents in his career... and lost both times.

[Sweet P]

Sort of like Calzaghe was all wrong for Lacy?

In the same way Mayweather 'struggled' to beat Baldomir? Just because you don't knock someone out doesn't mean you struggled with them. Wright never looked like losing that fight. Would you try and tell me that Paulo Alejandro Sanchez is better than Mayweather because he stopped Baldomir and Mayweather didn't? Of course not...

I understand that you and R_Jay are making the point that styles make fights, I am trying to point out that it is one thing to show speed against Rico Chong Nee but it is very different to show it against someone at the level of Wright. Just as it is one thing to show power against Reid and another to show it against Calzaghe. Over the last 4 years Sam Soliman is probably the best opponent Mundine has beaten, in the same time Soliman is probably the worst opponent Wright has faced... You guys may think big fight experience isn't a factor, but it is.

Your clutching at straws, Lacy and Baldomir are flat footed brawlers Mundine is the total opposite to both.

Wright looked pathetic against Soliman and only won by a round or 2, Mundine just annihalated Soliman and i know styles make fights but continueing to put Wright on a pedastal is rediculous.

I think you missed the point, I was comparing the situations not the fighters!?!

How many Wright fights have you actually seen? Have you even seen his fight with Soliman cause it doesn't sound like it...

I can't believe you can say it is ridiculous to put Wright on a pedastal after what he has achieved in his career yet you're happy to place Mundine on a higher pedastal based on what little he has done!

Ive seen a lot of Wrights fights including his fight with Soliman. His best wins are over a lightweight in Mosley and beating an aged Trinidad.
Or is it his draw with Taylor?
Its one thing to beat smaller fighters with your jab its another to beat a bigger faster fighter with a jab.
What other Supermiddle has he beat. He hasn't even fought at the weight yet.

Can you imagine how easily Mundine would beat Mosley with his huge advantage in size. I couldn't see him lasting 8 rounds.

[Marlin]

What other Supermiddle has he beat. He hasn't even fought at the weight yet.

I'll bet Wright could beat every fighter Mundine beaten!

[Marlin]

Can you imagine how easily Mundine would beat Mosley with his huge advantage in size. I couldn't see him lasting 8 rounds

Now who clutching at straws!?!

From another thread:

This is a pfp list and Wright is really a blown-up light middleweight. He owes his ranking to the fact that he's proven to be competitive with the best middleweights. However, one would expect a world class super-middleweight like Kessler or Mundine to beat or be competitive with a blown up light-middleweight, hence that alone doesn't warrant a top notch pfp ranking. This said, I would have Mundine in the top 25 pfp.

Wlad would also hammer a blown up Flyweight in Manny Pac....it's stupid to bring size into the equation because normally the larger fighter is going to have success over the smaller fighter, especially when comparing those that are tops across the boards.

Short, accurate, and well put.

[Sweet P]

Can you imagine how easily Mundine would beat Mosley with his huge advantage in size. I couldn't see him lasting 8 rounds

Now who clutching at straws!?!

From another thread:

Wlad would also hammer a blown up Flyweight in Manny Pac....it's stupid to bring size into the equation because normally the larger fighter is going to have success over the smaller fighter, especially when comparing those that are tops across the boards.

Short, accurate, and well put.

This is my last resonse on this thread, All ive been trying to say the whole time is Mundine would beat Wright regardless of who is better pound for pound, Wright is a great fighter but beating the likes of Mosley isn't going to help him beat someone far bigger quicker and more powerful than himself.
Im going to have to agree to disagree woth you

[Marlin]

I think agreeing to disagree is the first thing we agree on in this thread

[p4p1]

wright is a lefty mundine has a lightning right an left hook an thats how u beat a lefty mundine would put wright to sleep. Taylor would be hit that hard an fast he would not no what to do. havnt seen someone with the speed with power behind their punches since mundine i think there is great things to come

[Marlin]

Oh no, don't tell me we're going to start this again

[thunderfromdownunder]

oh yeah we ar starting it again
news is that mundines next fight will be in NZ.
who do you think it will be against and who do you hope it is against.
we can forget kess or calz. or any of the american MW's.
who else is there that could make a good fight?

[Marlin]

I'm gona go out on a limb and say he will fight someone like:

Ivica Cukusic

or

Robert Andrasik

or if he is really looking for a 'challenge' he might go with:

Gustavo Fabian Ibanez


Go on, look them up, they Mundine style opponents...

[Sweet P]

I am hoping it wont be a third fight with Sean Sullivan, I hope Mundine dosn't fight a stiff but i assume it will be.

[Marlin]

I am hoping it wont be a third fight with Sean Sullivan, I hope Mundine dosn't fight a stiff but i assume it will be.

Looks like there is something we can agree on in this thread