Renaldo Snipes Larry Holmes 7th round

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 31 Mar 2007, 13:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

how embarrasing for holmes, he was badly hurt, hes lucky he ran into the turn buckle cause he could have easily fallen right through the ropes and lost the fight. the ref gave a long count too. imagine if that were joe louis or sonny liston or mike tysons right hands? holmes whole career he was highly sucseptible to right hands, too bad renaldo snipes didnt know what do when he had him badly hurt, joe louis would have finished him off right there.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Mar 2007, 14:47

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

how embarrasing for holmes, he was badly hurt, hes lucky he ran into the turn buckle cause he could have easily fallen right through the ropes and lost the fight. the ref gave a long count too. imagine if that were joe louis or sonny liston or mike tysons right hands? holmes whole career he was highly sucseptible to right hands, too bad renaldo snipes didnt know what do when he had him badly hurt, joe louis would have finished him off right there.

All correct.

Holmes was a mess.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 31 Mar 2007, 16:35

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

how embarrasing for holmes, he was badly hurt, hes lucky he ran into the turn buckle cause he could have easily fallen right through the ropes and lost the fight. the ref gave a long count too. imagine if that were joe louis or sonny liston or mike tysons right hands? holmes whole career he was highly sucseptible to right hands, too bad renaldo snipes didnt know what do when he had him badly hurt, joe louis would have finished him off right there.

If, If, If. You are clutching at straws now, mate.

Larry Holmes was a great champ. I don't understand why you are constantly trying to belittle him. I thought you were a fan of the noble art rather than a pinhead like Cranberry.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Mar 2007, 17:41

Collins2000 wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

how embarrasing for holmes, he was badly hurt, hes lucky he ran into the turn buckle cause he could have easily fallen right through the ropes and lost the fight. the ref gave a long count too. imagine if that were joe louis or sonny liston or mike tysons right hands? holmes whole career he was highly sucseptible to right hands, too bad renaldo snipes didnt know what do when he had him badly hurt, joe louis would have finished him off right there.
If, If, If. You are clutching at straws now, mate.

Larry Holmes was a great champ. I don't understand why you are constantly trying to belittle him. I thought you were a fan of the noble art rather than a pinhead like Cranberry.

Looney bin inmate Collins offers his "thoughts."

Look at the tape.

"Great champ" Holmes is flattened by novice Snipes.

Collins and his mental level regurgitate each and every news media mantra and talking point.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 31 Mar 2007, 17:41

Collins2000 wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

how embarrasing for holmes, he was badly hurt, hes lucky he ran into the turn buckle cause he could have easily fallen right through the ropes and lost the fight. the ref gave a long count too. imagine if that were joe louis or sonny liston or mike tysons right hands? holmes whole career he was highly sucseptible to right hands, too bad renaldo snipes didnt know what do when he had him badly hurt, joe louis would have finished him off right there.
If, If, If. You are clutching at straws now, mate.

Larry Holmes was a great champ. I don't understand why you are constantly trying to belittle him. I thought you were a fan of the noble art rather than a pinhead like Cranberry.

Agreed. this is absurd. Granberry and BB have vendettas vs Holmes with no basis in fact. If anything that clip shows Holmes getting up, slipping again b/c his legs still aren't there, but then sucking it up and fighting back to fight off a tired Snipes for the rest of the round. True championship heart. Louis is my number 1 HW but hell the guy was knocked through the ropes by Buddy Baer . . .that's as "embarassing" as this if not more . . .

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Mar 2007, 17:47

dempseyfire wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

how embarrasing for holmes, he was badly hurt, hes lucky he ran into the turn buckle cause he could have easily fallen right through the ropes and lost the fight. the ref gave a long count too. imagine if that were joe louis or sonny liston or mike tysons right hands? holmes whole career he was highly sucseptible to right hands, too bad renaldo snipes didnt know what do when he had him badly hurt, joe louis would have finished him off right there.
If, If, If. You are clutching at straws now, mate.

Larry Holmes was a great champ. I don't understand why you are constantly trying to belittle him. I thought you were a fan of the noble art rather than a pinhead like Cranberry.
Agreed. this is absurd. Granberry and BB have vendettas vs Holmes with no basis in fact. If anything that clip shows Holmes getting up, slipping again b/c his legs still aren't there, but then sucking it up and fighting back to fight off a tired Snipes for the rest of the round. True championship heart. Louis is my number 1 HW but hell the guy was knocked through the ropes by Buddy Baer . . .that's as "embarassing" as this if not more . . .

The walking army of the mindhumbed are showing up.

They MUST defend the phony news media "history" they have been fed.

Now, according this latest poster,

It is GOOD that Holmes was flattened by a novice.

If Holmes pulled down his pants and took a sh*t in the middle of the ring,

the walking army of the mindnumbed would cry that that proves he was the "greatest of all time."

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 31 Mar 2007, 17:54

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

how embarrasing for holmes, he was badly hurt, hes lucky he ran into the turn buckle cause he could have easily fallen right through the ropes and lost the fight. the ref gave a long count too. imagine if that were joe louis or sonny liston or mike tysons right hands? holmes whole career he was highly sucseptible to right hands, too bad renaldo snipes didnt know what do when he had him badly hurt, joe louis would have finished him off right there.

Um, this is a really stupid post, Brock. We can all play this ridiculous game. Just imagine if it was Holmes' right hand that Billy Conn cracked Joe Louis with in their first fight. Louis would have been out cold. 99% of all fighters that have fought at the top level have been hurt and dropped like Holmes was. Difference is, Holmes got up, recovered miraculously in a short amount of time, and won the fights it occured in. Did Louis do that against Schmeling? Tyson against Douglas? You can only name one fight Holmes went down in and didn't get up to win -- vs. Tyson -- and that was when he was 38 and inactive for about two years.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 31 Mar 2007, 18:00

granberry wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:
Collins2000 wrote: If, If, If. You are clutching at straws now, mate.

Larry Holmes was a great champ. I don't understand why you are constantly trying to belittle him. I thought you were a fan of the noble art rather than a pinhead like Cranberry.
Agreed. this is absurd. Granberry and BB have vendettas vs Holmes with no basis in fact. If anything that clip shows Holmes getting up, slipping again b/c his legs still aren't there, but then sucking it up and fighting back to fight off a tired Snipes for the rest of the round. True championship heart. Louis is my number 1 HW but hell the guy was knocked through the ropes by Buddy Baer . . .that's as "embarassing" as this if not more . . .
The walking army of the mindhumbed are showing up.

They MUST defend the phony news media "history" they have been fed.

Now, according this latest poster,

It is GOOD that Holmes was flattened by a novice.

If Holmes pulled down his pants and took a sh*t in the middle of the ring,

the walking army of the mindnumbed would cry that that proves he was the "greatest of all time."

Stop spouting out the same crap. No one wants to read it, it's dumb as well as boring. The Ali shill, the phony news media, pulling down pants to take a dump in the middle of the ring to show one was the greatest of all-time, really, get new material or stop posting. You have made your point that no one agrees with already. We've read your opinion on Ali, now Holmes, and the "what if" of people taking dumps in the ring to prove their worth. If we want to know your thoughts, we can go back to any of your other responses and read your tired rhetoric.

Can I get a second on this?

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 31 Mar 2007, 19:42

granberry wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

how embarrasing for holmes, he was badly hurt, hes lucky he ran into the turn buckle cause he could have easily fallen right through the ropes and lost the fight. the ref gave a long count too. imagine if that were joe louis or sonny liston or mike tysons right hands? holmes whole career he was highly sucseptible to right hands, too bad renaldo snipes didnt know what do when he had him badly hurt, joe louis would have finished him off right there.
If, If, If. You are clutching at straws now, mate.

Larry Holmes was a great champ. I don't understand why you are constantly trying to belittle him. I thought you were a fan of the noble art rather than a pinhead like Cranberry.
Looney bin inmate Collins offers his "thoughts."

Look at the tape.

"Great champ" Holmes is flattened by novice Snipes.

Collins and his mental level regurgitate each and every news media mantra and talking point.

You, sir, are an even bigger idiot than Rocky50Project.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 31 Mar 2007, 19:50

This clown Cranberry needs a dose of Deskins up him.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Mar 2007, 21:38

evndrbsn wrote: Stop spouting out the same crap. No one wants to read it, it's dumb as well as boring. The Ali shill, the phony news media, pulling down pants to take a dump in the middle of the ring to show one was the greatest of all-time, really, get new material or stop posting. You have made your point that no one agrees with already. We've read your opinion on Ali, now Holmes, and the "what if" of people taking dumps in the ring to prove their worth. If we want to know your thoughts, we can go back to any of your other responses and read your tired rhetoric.

Can I get a second on this?

Evndr,

Stop spouting out the same crap. No one wants to read it, it's dumb as well as boring---

--your Ali shill regurgitations,

your lapping up what the news media 'experts" (who never had a fight with their own sisters) say and repeating their tired mantras breathlessly here

Really, get new material or stop posting. You have made your point that you are an Ali industry regurgitater.

We've read your parroting of the tired Ali industry talking points on Ali, now Holmes.

If we want to know your thoughts, we can go back to any of your other responses and read your tired rhetoric.

Holmes spent a career getting beaten up by inexperienced, novice level fighters (Weaver, Snipes, Witherspoon, Williams)

and he never gave any of them a rematch.

Wow, what a GREAT heavyweight champion.

And then he capped off his thrilling championship years by becoming the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight, Michael Spinks.

Spinks went out like a light when he faced a real heavyweight champion in 91 seconds of the first round.

That includes the ten count.

In comparison poor Holmes struggling with Spinks for a total of thirty rounds.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Mar 2007, 21:41

I sure want to comment, I really do. But I've taken a vow not to smite the sacred granberry.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Mar 2007, 21:42

Collins2000 wrote:This clown Cranberry needs a dose of Deskins up him.

This clown Collins never addresses the topic at hand.

Why does it upset you so badly when anyone offers something other than the tired Ali industry mantras?

Poor Collins.

He just can't take it.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Mar 2007, 21:50

granberry, seems you had some personal contact with Joe Frazier as did I. Yours was probably direct involvement in the fight game mine was music. I liked the man, did you ever hear his band? Just curious the band itself at times had some pretty good players. I think it was just a rhythm section and sometimes he would hire out for the horn players from the local unions. Did you ever sit though a night of his music?

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 31 Mar 2007, 21:51

granberry wrote:
evndrbsn wrote: Stop spouting out the same crap. No one wants to read it, it's dumb as well as boring. The Ali shill, the phony news media, pulling down pants to take a dump in the middle of the ring to show one was the greatest of all-time, really, get new material or stop posting. You have made your point that no one agrees with already. We've read your opinion on Ali, now Holmes, and the "what if" of people taking dumps in the ring to prove their worth. If we want to know your thoughts, we can go back to any of your other responses and read your tired rhetoric.

Can I get a second on this?
Evndr,

Stop spouting out the same crap. No one wants to read it, it's dumb as well as boring---

--your Ali shill regurgitations,

your lapping up what the news media 'experts" (who never had a fight with their own sisters) say and repeating their tired mantras breathlessly here

Really, get new material or stop posting. You have made your point that you are an Ali industry regurgitater.

We've read your parroting of the tired Ali industry talking points on Ali, now Holmes.

If we want to know your thoughts, we can go back to any of your other responses and read your tired rhetoric.

Holmes spent a career getting beaten up by inexperienced, novice level fighters (Weaver, Snipes, Witherspoon, Williams)

and he never gave any of them a rematch.

Wow, what a GREAT heavyweight champion.

And then he capped off his thrilling championship years by becoming the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight, Michael Spinks.

Spinks went out like a light when he faced a real heavyweight champion in 91 seconds of the first round.

That includes the ten count.

In comparison poor Holmes struggling with Spinks for a total of thirty rounds.

This is the tired rhetoric I was talking about. How many posts have you copied and pasted and then just changed a few words when responding? It is far from clever and is simply annoying. It does nothing to further your cause, it only makes you look incapable of stringing together your own competent replies.

You've got me curious on your top 10-15 heavyweights, though. I'm not sure if you've posted them already, so humor me and show me again. I'm very interested where Ali and Holmes place on your list.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Mar 2007, 21:53

Your kidding right? They don't even make his journeyman's list is my guess. He thinks Ali barely squeaked past Terrel for god's sake.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 31 Mar 2007, 22:00

granberry wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:This clown Cranberry needs a dose of Deskins up him.
This clown Collins never addresses the topic at hand.

Why does it upset you so badly when anyone offers something other than the tired Ali industry mantras?

Poor Collins.

He just can't take it.

The problem is, like all crazies, the wackier the conspiracy theory the more likely you are to buy it, Cranberry.

Who are the players in this "Ali industry"? Don't be vague, let's hear some names. Don't say something lame like 'the media'. Let's have some details............. unless of course you have none and are just reciting some nonsense daddy told you.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 31 Mar 2007, 22:04

BoxBuzz wrote:Your kidding right? They don't even make his journeyman's list is my guess. He thinks Ali barely squeaked past Terrel for god's sake.

No, Terrell was robbed. You know the mantra by now or are you yet another Ali shill.

Aw, not you too, Buzzy?

Sold out to the Ali industry eh? And I thought you were just a funky old musician who marched to his own beat.

Whatever next?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Mar 2007, 22:10

Collins I have to say get prepared for the worst is yet to come. I heard both Ali and Joe sing, and Ali could sing circles around Joe. That's enough to raise cranberrys blood pressure to new heights. Ali actually had pretty good pitch and a pleasant voice. Had he pursued it seriously who knows maybe he could have had a second career.

Joe took a stab and did it anyway...but without much in the vocal chops dept. He fancied himself cut in the Otis Redding/Wilson Pickett mode. Ali would have had to settle for an echo of Sam Cook.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Mar 2007, 22:17

BoxBuzz wrote:granberry, seems you had some personal contact with Joe Frazier as did I. Yours was probably direct involvement in the fight game mine was music. I liked the man, did you ever hear his band? Just curious the band itself at times had some pretty good players. I think it was just a rhythm section and sometimes he would hire out for the horn players from the local unions. Did you ever sit though a night of his music?

I have no interest in Frazier's "music."

He had a beautiful, championship left hook.

It was a treat to see him hit the heavy bag with this thing of beauty.

One of my special memories of all the things I have seen in boxing.

Harold Johnson was a drummer. He belonged to the musician's union.

Toscanini and Eugene Ormandy were boxing fans.

The two brothers Jack and Mike Twin Sullivan were excellent singers, according to old reports. They sang in harmony (each singing a different musical line) and would start up as soon as they got near a piano.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 31 Mar 2007, 22:24

Well I'll switch back to the topic at hand, certainly between the two bums Holmes and Ali you gotta give Ali the nod since Holmes was susceptible to that right that Ali could deliver pretty damn well....certainly better than Snipes.

Oh wait hold the press Holmes Defeated Ali Soundly....never mind, that completely slipped my mind. What was I thinking?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Mar 2007, 22:40

Interesting---

Snipes throws SIX consecutive left hands to the body from long range to bring Holmes' guard down.

The sixth one is quicker than the others

and followed by the right hand right on top of it that flattens Holmes.

Buzz, John L, Collins, evndr,

You don't have a clue what I'm talking about, do you.

LOL.

Snipes actually outboxed Holmes there and suckered him into not expecting a right hand to the head.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 31 Mar 2007, 23:25

granberry wrote:Interesting---

Snipes throws SIX consecutive left hands to the body from long range to bring Holmes' guard down.

The sixth one is quicker than the others

and followed by the right hand right on top of it that flattens Holmes.

Buzz, John L, Collins, evndr,

You don't have a clue what I'm talking about, do you.

LOL.

Snipes actually outboxed Holmes there and suckered him into not expecting a right hand to the head.

No, I have no clue what you are getting at. What I do know is the facts. Holmes got up and TKO'd Snipes in the 11th. Snipes fought a handful of hard hitters in a 48 bout career and wasn't stopped again until his final fight at age 37, in the 10th and final round no less.

Again, what relevance does Holmes getting caught have? All the great heavyweights got caught at one time or another and went down. What do greats like Ali, Holmes, Frazier, Louis, Holyfield, Marciano, Foreman, Dempsey, Charles, and Patterson have in common? They all got floored at some point in their respective careers, got up, and won the fight.

One example each:

Ali was down against Cooper, got up and stopped him the next round

Holmes was dropped hard against Shavers, got up and stopped him

Frazier was knocked down twice against Bonavena and got up and won a decision

Louis hit the deck against Tony Galento but destroyed him when it was over

Holyfield was dropped by Bert Cooper, got up and TKO'd him a few rounds later

Marciano went down against Walcott, came back and KO'd him in 13

Foreman was all but practically KO'd in round 4 against Lyle, TKO'd him in the very next round

Dempsey was knocked out of the ring against Luis Firpo, KO'd him in next round

Charles was down against Lloyd Marshall in the return match, KO'd him in the 6th

Patterson was knocked down twice in the opening round against Ingemar Johansson, dropped him also in the first and KO'd him in the 6th

It means nothing that Snipes was able to sneak a right hand on Holmes that floored him. The only thing that matters was that Holmes got up and won the fight.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 31 Mar 2007, 23:44

CORRECTIONS for your list:

"Ali was down against Cooper, got up, lurched toward his corner, got extra time between rounds and stopped him the next round"

"Holyfield was dropped by Bert Cooper Sorry YOU ARE WRONG. Stooge referee Mills Lane stopped drug addict Cooper from flooring Holyfield by giving Holyfield a standing count just as Cooper was about to floor Holyfield , got up and TKO'd him Stooge “referee” Mills Lane stopped the fight a few rounds later"

"It means nothing that Snipes was able to sneak a right hand on Holmes that floored him. The only thing that matters was that Holmes got up and won the fight."

Who appointed you to decide what means nothing?

LOL

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 01 Apr 2007, 00:08

granberry wrote:CORRECTIONS for your list:

"Holyfield was dropped by Bert Cooper Sorry YOU ARE WRONG. Stooge referee Mills Lane stopped drug addict Cooper from flooring Holyfield by giving Holyfield a standing count just as Cooper was about to floor Holyfield

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yetLvvdShU4
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