gym talk....ring rumours

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 12 Apr 2007, 04:36

since sprotty KO'd audley we have heard stories of how sprotty was hurting audley badly in sparring down in the west country a few years ago but was sworn to secrecy.

what other examples of gym talk have we heard that we believe to be true ?

states · Post by **states** » 12 Apr 2007, 04:55

I'm sure someone on here claimed that Sprott also flattened Roman Greenberg in sparring. I can easily believe that.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Apr 2007, 05:13

Well you never know but heres a few:

Vitali kd'ed by sparring twice leading upto a fight with Rahman

Valero held his own against Morales before Morales decline

Lennox put down by Ruiz - not so sure on that 1

Mayweather handled Corrales in sparring

Mayweather got beat on by Spadafora in sparring - vid to prove it but it did look like Mayweather may have been practising his rolling on the ropes routine. (plus he'd been out the gym for a while)

Delahoya doesn't allow sparring partners to land anything full blooded

McCall send Tyson to hospital a few times

Witter outboxed Hamed in bodysparing - not sure I believe that as Ingle maybe hyping his fighter up.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Apr 2007, 05:43

One that did go around a bit, but was clearly B/S was Jeremy Williams flooring Lewis prior to Lewis vs Holyfield 2. That was mentioned in the documentary.

Podmore_Birmingham · Post by **Podmore_Birmingham** » 12 Apr 2007, 05:58

Joe Mesi flooring Lennox Lewis in sparring. And, to top that, he took all of Lennox's punches without buckling.

Tom Podmore

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Apr 2007, 06:00

Terence wrote:
stujones wrote:One that did go around a bit, but was clearly B/S was Jeremy Williams flooring Lewis prior to Lewis vs Holyfield 2. That was mentioned in the documentary.
That may have been prior to fight one. Williams got a few slaps from Lewis, used his kung-fu to flip him over and then, allegedly, went around saying he put Lewis over with a shot.

Remember Manny told Lewis in the final session to give Jeremy a hiding and they would sack him for the final two weeks.

Class. You cannot do the petulant stuff Williams did to a fighter getting ready for a huge fight.

I'm sure Lewis would have had Zero trouble knocking Williams into the middle of next week if he put some serious punches in there, Williams wasn't exactly the sturdiest fellow in the world.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Apr 2007, 06:01

Terence wrote:
stujones wrote:One that did go around a bit, but was clearly B/S was Jeremy Williams flooring Lewis prior to Lewis vs Holyfield 2. That was mentioned in the documentary.
That may have been prior to fight one. Williams got a few slaps from Lewis, used his kung-fu to flip him over and then, allegedly, went around saying he put Lewis over with a shot.

Remember Manny told Lewis in the final session to give Jeremy a hiding and they would sack him for the final two weeks.

Class. You cannot do the petulant stuff Williams did to a fighter getting ready for a huge fight.

Oh yeah, the documentary was for fight 1. I think the rumour was also going around BEFORE the kung fu incident - cause Manny used it to get Lewis up to giving him a kicking. Nasty.... but needed.

I actually felt a bit for Jeremy Williams there.... yes, what he did was out of order and Lewis couldn't afford an injury. However, I thought Lewis showed "bully boy" tendancies in the sparring and I think gave him a bit more than one or two slaps. You don't learn from that kinda sparring and I thought both parties were a bit out of order. Lewis seemed to be very close to flat out pummelling Williams IMO.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 12 Apr 2007, 06:33

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Valero held his own against Morales before Morales decline

Delahoya doesn't allow sparring partners to land anything full blooded

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Theres a vid of valero holding his own with morrales, easily.

First sparring partner to knock DLH on his backside in the run up to the mayweather fight gets $1000 - source - freddy roach interview

Was one of the rumours that Khan gave david Barnes a bit of a lesson in sparring (was it khan?)

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 12 Apr 2007, 06:35

Barnesy is hardily a Wayne McCullough type trainer though is he?

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 12 Apr 2007, 07:19

I read the Vitali knockdown in sparring rumours in BN - I must say these had passed me by at the time...I just can't believe it.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Apr 2007, 07:23

Was that last week's, I missed the issue.

Well, Vitali has been out a while, and who knows, maybe he was off balance. A lot gets made about knockdowns in sparring, but I think most of the time it's just the sparring partner getting excited about seeing their employer tumble over, rather than someone getting sparked by 16 oz. gloves.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 12 Apr 2007, 07:27

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Was that last week's, I missed the issue.

Well, Vitali has been out a while, and who knows, maybe he was off balance. A lot gets made about knockdowns in sparring, but I think most of the time it's just the sparring partner getting excited about seeing their employer tumble over, rather than someone getting sparked by 16 oz. gloves.

No Jim, it said Vitali got put down twice back in 2005 whilst sparring for Rahman and one kd did the damage to his knee. And you're right of course - lots of stories are embellished, angler and fish stylee.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 12 Apr 2007, 07:27

Williams putting Haye on bandy legs with a jab to such an extent sparring had to be stopped for the day.

ciscokid · Post by **ciscokid** » 12 Apr 2007, 07:30

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Mayweather got beat on by Spadafora in sparring - vid to prove it but it did look like Mayweather may have been practising his rolling on the ropes routine. (plus he'd been out the gym for a while)

I saw this and Spadafora was all over him like a rash - didn't Spadafora make a recent come back??

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Apr 2007, 07:32

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Was that last week's, I missed the issue.

Well, Vitali has been out a while, and who knows, maybe he was off balance. A lot gets made about knockdowns in sparring, but I think most of the time it's just the sparring partner getting excited about seeing their employer tumble over, rather than someone getting sparked by 16 oz. gloves.
No Jim, it said Vitali got put down twice back in 2005 whilst sparring for Rahman and one kd did the damage to his knee. And you're right of course - lots of stories are embellished, angler and fish stylee.

Ah yes, that story, I recall now. I have my suspicions as to what all that was really about, vicious rumour of course, but Vitali's frame just a couple of months after retiring certainly fuelled my suspicion about him using various 'enhancements' during his career.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 12 Apr 2007, 07:32

Yes and I would wager, he'll feature in Hatton's future very soon.

Just a hunch.

He nearly got the job around the time it was Spadafora or Harris.....

Big draw, or was before he shot his pregnant girlfried or whatever - nice.

Scrap · Post by **Scrap** » 12 Apr 2007, 07:53

Terry Dunstan bashing lennox Lewis up in the gym. They pulled Lewis out end of the second, Maloney having a heart attack.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Apr 2007, 12:19

ciscokid wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Mayweather got beat on by Spadafora in sparring - vid to prove it but it did look like Mayweather may have been practising his rolling on the ropes routine. (plus he'd been out the gym for a while)
I saw this and Spadafora was all over him like a rash - didn't Spadafora make a recent come back??

Much like Chavez was all over Mayweather though much of Spads work wasn't getting through Mays defense. Spad was given a gift draw against the best fighter he faced in Dorin (the guy Gatti ko'd in 2 with a bodyshot)

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 12 Apr 2007, 13:56

I don't the anawer but didn't Sugar Ray Leonard get either KO'd or Knocked down heavily in sparring by???? can't remember, i know it was for one of his later fights

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Apr 2007, 14:00

I think it was Frank Fletcher when Sugar was training for Hagler... he was supposedly floored 2 times during his training for Hagler...

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 12 Apr 2007, 14:04

silkov wrote:I think it was Frank Fletcher when Sugar was training for Hagler... he was supposedly floored 2 times during his training for Hagler...

Yeah it could have been, but i also remember reading that a young Pro, or a Soon to be Pro did a number on him in sparring and he was pulled out and sent home.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Apr 2007, 14:11

silkov wrote:I think it was Frank Fletcher when Sugar was training for Hagler... he was supposedly floored 2 times during his training for Hagler...

Also the rumours he had pro-fights behind closed doors

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 12 Apr 2007, 14:12

tatevosyan dropping Kessler in preparation for the Beyer fight.....

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 12 Apr 2007, 14:19

knockout wrote:tatevosyan dropping Kessler in preparation for the Beyer fight.....

I don't remember this one?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Apr 2007, 14:33

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
silkov wrote:I think it was Frank Fletcher when Sugar was training for Hagler... he was supposedly floored 2 times during his training for Hagler...
Also the rumours he had pro-fights behind closed doors

Yeah, he was supposed to have had about 2 twelve rounders which were treated like proper fights... which was likely when the knockdowns occured... no wonder Leonard didnt look rusty when he fought Hagler...