Hello,
Here you are the draft of some oldies amateur records:
Joe Louis http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/louis.html
Ed Sanders http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/sanders.html
Ingemar Johansson http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/ingo.html
Floyd Patterson http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/patterson.html
George Foreman http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/foreman.html
Corrections and suggestions are welcomed...
More oldies amateur records
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El Intocable
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http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/sanders.html
Quite a few changes and additions here. Several points on his biography. Ed Sanders had at least 5 losses (see below). It was Lloyd Willis, not Kirby Willis, that he beat. He obviously defeated one Italian, not two, at the Olympics.
Compton College – University of Nevada Dual Meet
March 18, 1949
Ed Sanders, Compton College, CA – George Bedelich, University of Nevada, NV W-3
National Junior College Championships
Pasadena, CA
April 29, 1949
Finals
Ed Sanders, Compton College, CA – Frank Sueuga, City College of San Francisco, CA TKO-3
National Junior College Championships
Ogden, UT
April 11, 1950
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, Compton College, CA – Bill Ewing, McNeese, LA, TKO-1 0:30
April 12, 1950
Finals
Ed Sanders, Compton College, CA – Charles Kalani, Weber College, UT W-3
Intermountain College Tournament
Pocatello, ID
March 12, 1951
Finals
Ed Sanders, Idaho State, ID – Paxton Beal, CA TKO-2
Pacific Coast Intercollegiate Championships
Sacramento, CA
March 30, 1951
Semi-Finals
Hubert Christianson, Washington State, WA – Ed Sanders, Idaho State, ID W-3
Sanders' record was incorrectly listed as 8-0 prior to the NCAA tournament
NCAA Championships
East Lansing, MI
April 6, 1951
Semi-Finals
Jack Scheberies, San Jose State, CA – Ed Sanders, Idaho State, ID W-3
San Diego Golden Gloves Championships
San Diego, CA
January 23, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, NTC (US Navy, Naval Training Center) – Harold Kilman, MCRD KO-1 1:08
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, NTC – Kirby Seals, AirPac W-3
January 25, 1952
Finals
Ed Sanders, NTC – Billy Napier, CruDesPac W-3 (UD)
Southland Golden Gloves Championships
Hollywood Legion Stadium, Los Angeles, CA
February 7, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – Russell Lee, Edwards Air Force Base TKO-3
February 9, 1952
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – Duke Johnson, South Gate TKO-1
Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – George Woods, El Toro W-3
Western Golden Gloves Championships
Chicago, IL
February 26, 1952
First Round
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – George Harrison, Columbus, OH KO-1
Second Round
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Ernie Fann, Cleveland W-3
February 27, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Oscar Pharo, Nashville, TN W-3
March 7, 1952
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – George Becktol, Great Lakes, IL KO-1 1:42
Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Herb Ellison, Detroit, MI W-3
Intercity Golden Gloves Meet
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
March 24, 1952
Norvel Lee, Washington, D.C. – Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy W-3
USA (Golden Gloves Champions) – Ireland
April 25, 1952
Dublin, Ireland
Ed Sanders, USA – John Lyttle, Ireland W-3
USA (Golden Gloves Champions) – France
April 30, 1952
Paris, France
Ed Sanders, USA – Bernard Navarre, France KO-2
USA (Golden Gloves Champions) – West Germany
May 3, 1952
West Berlin, West Germany
Ed Sanders, USA – Willi Waloschek, West Germany KO-1
USA (Golden Gloves Champions) – Italy
May 10, 1952
Rome, Italy
Ed Sanders, USA – Franco Cavicchi, Italy W-3
Regional Olympic Trials
Omaha, NE
June 7, 1952
Finals
Lloyd Willis, U.S. Army – Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy KO-1
National Olympic Trials
Kansas City, MO
June 17, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Lloyd Willis, U.S. Army KO-1 1:31
June 18, 1952
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Bob Ranck, Milwaukee, WI W-3
Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Jack Scheberies, Oakland, CA TKO-2 1:20
XV Olympic Games
Helsinki, Finland
July 29, 1952
First Round
Ed Sanders, USA – Hans Jost, Switzerland KO-1
July 31, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, USA – Giacomo Di Segni, Italy KO-3
August 1, 1952
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, USA – Andries Nieman, South Africa TKO-2
August 2, 1952
Finals
Ed Sanders, USA – Ingemar Johansson, Sweden DQ-2
San Diego Golden Gloves Championships
San Diego, CA
January 30, 1953
Finals
Ed Sanders, NTC – Joshua Paige, NTC KO-1 1:43
Southland Golden Gloves Championships
Hollywood Legion Stadium, Los Angeles, CA
February 5, 1953
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – George Woods, El Toro W-3
February 6, 1953
Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – Fred Taylor, Olympic Gym, Los Angeles W-3
Western Golden Gloves Championships
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, IL
February 24, 1953
First Round
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Willie Crawford, Indianapolis, IN W-3
Second Round
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Bob Ranck, Milwaukee, WI W-3
February 25, 1953
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Bill Graham, Peoria, IL KO-2
March 6, 1953
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Bob Jefferson, Rapid City, SD W-3
Finals
Charles Liston, St. Louis, MO – Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy W-3
Quite a few changes and additions here. Several points on his biography. Ed Sanders had at least 5 losses (see below). It was Lloyd Willis, not Kirby Willis, that he beat. He obviously defeated one Italian, not two, at the Olympics.
Compton College – University of Nevada Dual Meet
March 18, 1949
Ed Sanders, Compton College, CA – George Bedelich, University of Nevada, NV W-3
National Junior College Championships
Pasadena, CA
April 29, 1949
Finals
Ed Sanders, Compton College, CA – Frank Sueuga, City College of San Francisco, CA TKO-3
National Junior College Championships
Ogden, UT
April 11, 1950
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, Compton College, CA – Bill Ewing, McNeese, LA, TKO-1 0:30
April 12, 1950
Finals
Ed Sanders, Compton College, CA – Charles Kalani, Weber College, UT W-3
Intermountain College Tournament
Pocatello, ID
March 12, 1951
Finals
Ed Sanders, Idaho State, ID – Paxton Beal, CA TKO-2
Pacific Coast Intercollegiate Championships
Sacramento, CA
March 30, 1951
Semi-Finals
Hubert Christianson, Washington State, WA – Ed Sanders, Idaho State, ID W-3
Sanders' record was incorrectly listed as 8-0 prior to the NCAA tournament
NCAA Championships
East Lansing, MI
April 6, 1951
Semi-Finals
Jack Scheberies, San Jose State, CA – Ed Sanders, Idaho State, ID W-3
San Diego Golden Gloves Championships
San Diego, CA
January 23, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, NTC (US Navy, Naval Training Center) – Harold Kilman, MCRD KO-1 1:08
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, NTC – Kirby Seals, AirPac W-3
January 25, 1952
Finals
Ed Sanders, NTC – Billy Napier, CruDesPac W-3 (UD)
Southland Golden Gloves Championships
Hollywood Legion Stadium, Los Angeles, CA
February 7, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – Russell Lee, Edwards Air Force Base TKO-3
February 9, 1952
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – Duke Johnson, South Gate TKO-1
Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – George Woods, El Toro W-3
Western Golden Gloves Championships
Chicago, IL
February 26, 1952
First Round
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – George Harrison, Columbus, OH KO-1
Second Round
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Ernie Fann, Cleveland W-3
February 27, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Oscar Pharo, Nashville, TN W-3
March 7, 1952
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – George Becktol, Great Lakes, IL KO-1 1:42
Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Herb Ellison, Detroit, MI W-3
Intercity Golden Gloves Meet
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
March 24, 1952
Norvel Lee, Washington, D.C. – Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy W-3
USA (Golden Gloves Champions) – Ireland
April 25, 1952
Dublin, Ireland
Ed Sanders, USA – John Lyttle, Ireland W-3
USA (Golden Gloves Champions) – France
April 30, 1952
Paris, France
Ed Sanders, USA – Bernard Navarre, France KO-2
USA (Golden Gloves Champions) – West Germany
May 3, 1952
West Berlin, West Germany
Ed Sanders, USA – Willi Waloschek, West Germany KO-1
USA (Golden Gloves Champions) – Italy
May 10, 1952
Rome, Italy
Ed Sanders, USA – Franco Cavicchi, Italy W-3
Regional Olympic Trials
Omaha, NE
June 7, 1952
Finals
Lloyd Willis, U.S. Army – Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy KO-1
National Olympic Trials
Kansas City, MO
June 17, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Lloyd Willis, U.S. Army KO-1 1:31
June 18, 1952
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Bob Ranck, Milwaukee, WI W-3
Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Jack Scheberies, Oakland, CA TKO-2 1:20
XV Olympic Games
Helsinki, Finland
July 29, 1952
First Round
Ed Sanders, USA – Hans Jost, Switzerland KO-1
July 31, 1952
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, USA – Giacomo Di Segni, Italy KO-3
August 1, 1952
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, USA – Andries Nieman, South Africa TKO-2
August 2, 1952
Finals
Ed Sanders, USA – Ingemar Johansson, Sweden DQ-2
San Diego Golden Gloves Championships
San Diego, CA
January 30, 1953
Finals
Ed Sanders, NTC – Joshua Paige, NTC KO-1 1:43
Southland Golden Gloves Championships
Hollywood Legion Stadium, Los Angeles, CA
February 5, 1953
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – George Woods, El Toro W-3
February 6, 1953
Finals
Ed Sanders, San Diego – Fred Taylor, Olympic Gym, Los Angeles W-3
Western Golden Gloves Championships
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, IL
February 24, 1953
First Round
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Willie Crawford, Indianapolis, IN W-3
Second Round
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Bob Ranck, Milwaukee, WI W-3
February 25, 1953
Quarter-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Bill Graham, Peoria, IL KO-2
March 6, 1953
Semi-Finals
Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy – Bob Jefferson, Rapid City, SD W-3
Finals
Charles Liston, St. Louis, MO – Ed Sanders, U.S. Navy W-3
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Venceremos
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El Intocable
- Heavyweight
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No problem! Several points:
1. Sanders won JUNIOR NCAA Championships in 1949 and 1950.
2. Sanders LOST to Scheberies in the semis. Ed was down from a left to the jaw in 1:05 of the third. Bob Ranck won a UD over Jack Scheberies in the finals. I have the 1951 reports but you can also take a look here:
http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/win ... inued2.pdf
You also mistyped Ranck’s last name (18 junio 1952).
3. Just a minor point – both semifinals and finals of the Olympic Trials took place on June 18th.
A couple of points on terminology (this obviously applies to all other records as well). The Tournament of Champions in Chicago should really be called “Western Golden Gloves Championships,” or “Western Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions,” and not “Mid-Western.”
“Torneo Guantes Dorados Nacional” back then was “Guantes Dorados Inter-ciudades,” just like you named it on some other pages. This was basically a dual meet between Eastern and Western champions and alternates.
1. Sanders won JUNIOR NCAA Championships in 1949 and 1950.
2. Sanders LOST to Scheberies in the semis. Ed was down from a left to the jaw in 1:05 of the third. Bob Ranck won a UD over Jack Scheberies in the finals. I have the 1951 reports but you can also take a look here:
http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/win ... inued2.pdf
You also mistyped Ranck’s last name (18 junio 1952).
3. Just a minor point – both semifinals and finals of the Olympic Trials took place on June 18th.
A couple of points on terminology (this obviously applies to all other records as well). The Tournament of Champions in Chicago should really be called “Western Golden Gloves Championships,” or “Western Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions,” and not “Mid-Western.”
“Torneo Guantes Dorados Nacional” back then was “Guantes Dorados Inter-ciudades,” just like you named it on some other pages. This was basically a dual meet between Eastern and Western champions and alternates.
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Venceremos
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El Intocable
- Heavyweight
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I think you misunderstood me, Sanders participated in a "real" NCAA tourney in 1951. Just the 1949 and 1950 tournaments were Junior NCAA Championships.Venceremos wrote:Page updated... I'm correcting mistakes as you point me them, thanks
http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/louis.html
Strangely, you have the right names and dates for 1934 but they were not KO-1s. Also just a minor point -- Earl Conway was an American from Niagara Falls, NY; Elm Grove A.C. somehow did not have a light-heavy to fight Louis. The bouts took place on October 30th.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=155912
Western Golden Gloves Championships
Chicago, IL
February 27, 1934
First Round
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Ray Wozniak, Chicago, IL TKO-3
Second Round
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Harry Swanson, Chicago, IL W-3
February 28, 1934
Quarter-Finals
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Cooney Tucker, Fort Wayne, IN TKO-2
March 9, 1934
Semi-Finals
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Ario Soldati, Rockford, IL W-3
Finals
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Joe Bauer, Cleveland, OH W-3
National AAU Championships
St. Louis, MO
April 5, 1934
First Round
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Joe Bauer, Cleveland, OH W-3
Quarter-Finals
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Hugh Rogers, Jacksonville, FL WO
April 6, 1934
Semi-Finals
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Bud Schildknecht, Kansas City, MO W-3
Finals
Joe Louis, Detroit, MI -- Ario Soldati, Rockford, IL KO-2
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Venceremos
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El Intocable
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http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/patterson.html
Floyd's fight with Jimmy Glenn had to take place in New York and it was at middleweight, W-3:
New York Golden Gloves Championships
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
February 19, 1951
Finals
Floyd Patterson, Empire S.C. -- Richard Hill, P.A.L. W-3
Eastern Golden Gloves Championships
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
February 28, 1951
Semi-Finals
Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Ray Drake, Hempstead, NY W-3
Finals
Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- John Gibson, Syracuse, NY W-3
Intercity Golden Gloves Tournament
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
March 19, 1951
Championship Division
Richard Guerrero, Chicago, IL -- Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY W-3
New York Metropolitan AAU Championships
Ridgewood Grove, Brooklyn, NY
March 28, 1951
Semi-Finals
Floyd Patterson, Empire S.C. -- Ralph Franz, P.A.L. KO-1 2:35
April 4, 1951
Finals
Floyd Patterson, Empire S.C. -- Alvin Nelson, P.A.L. W
National AAU Championships
Boston Garden, Boston, MA
Patterson drew a bye into the second round.
April 10, 1951
Second Round
Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Rudy Ortega, Oakland, CA W-3
Quarter-Finals
Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Otis Harris, Norfolk, VA KO-2
April 11, 1951
Semi-Finals
Thomas Nelson, Philadelphia, PA -- Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY W-3
New York Golden Gloves Championships
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
February 18, 1952
Finals
79,4 kg: Floyd Patterson, Empire S.C. -- Clayton Jones, Salem-Crescent A.C. KO-1 0:40
Eastern Golden Gloves Championships
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
March 5, 1952
Semi-Finals
79,4 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Eldridge Thompson, Washington, D.C. W-3
Finals
79,4 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Harold Carter, Newark, NJ TKO-1 2:36
Intercity Golden Gloves Tournament
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
March 24, 1952
Championship Division
79,4 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Eddie Jones, Chicago, IL W-3
National AAU Championships
Boston Garden, Boston, MA
April 7, 1952
Second Round
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Nick Turner, Columbus, OH KO-1 0:58
April 8, 1952
Quarter-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Harvey Lammers, New Bedford, MA W-3
April 9, 1952
Semi-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Edward Smith, Buffalo, NY TKO-2
Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Joseph Rowan, Philadelphia, PA KO-1 1:38
Patterson was named the outstanding boxer of the Championships.
Eastern Regional Olympic Trials
Albany, NY
May 26, 1952
First Round
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Carl Blair, US Navy TKO-1 1:38
Quarter-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Jim Taylor, US Army TKO-1 1:38
Identical times -- not a typo!!
May 27, 1952
Semi-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Nolan Davis, US Navy KO-2 1:36
Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Angelo DeFendis, New York, NY WO (injury)
National Olympic Trials
Kansas City, MO
June 17, 1952
Second Round
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Bill Tate, Chicago, IL TKO-2 1:01
June 18, 1952
Semi-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Willie Finney, Second Army TKO-1 0:51
Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Gordon Gladson, Bremerton, WA TKO-1
XV Olympic Games
Helsinki, Finland
July 29, 1952
Second Round
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, USA -- Omar Tebbaka, France W-3 (3:0)
July 31, 1952
Quarter-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, USA -- Leonardus Jansen, Holland KO-1
August 1, 1952
Semi-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, USA -- Stig Sjölin, Sweden DQ-3
August 2, 1952
Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, USA -- Vasile Tiţă, Romania KO-1 0:42
Floyd's fight with Jimmy Glenn had to take place in New York and it was at middleweight, W-3:
All bouts below were at 72,6 kg (160 pounds) except where noted. Please note that Floyd fought Stig Sjölin at the Olympics!!Boxing as an amateur, Glenn compiled a 14-2 record with two knockouts. "I was a fair fighter, not a good one," he admits. "I started at welterweight and ended up at middleweight. I could box but I wasn't much of a puncher." In his most memorable amateur match, he fought a middleweight named Floyd Patterson. "He beat me," Glenn acknowledges. "Knocked me down a few times, broke my tooth. But I went the distance."
New York Golden Gloves Championships
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
February 19, 1951
Finals
Floyd Patterson, Empire S.C. -- Richard Hill, P.A.L. W-3
Eastern Golden Gloves Championships
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
February 28, 1951
Semi-Finals
Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Ray Drake, Hempstead, NY W-3
Finals
Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- John Gibson, Syracuse, NY W-3
Intercity Golden Gloves Tournament
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
March 19, 1951
Championship Division
Richard Guerrero, Chicago, IL -- Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY W-3
New York Metropolitan AAU Championships
Ridgewood Grove, Brooklyn, NY
March 28, 1951
Semi-Finals
Floyd Patterson, Empire S.C. -- Ralph Franz, P.A.L. KO-1 2:35
April 4, 1951
Finals
Floyd Patterson, Empire S.C. -- Alvin Nelson, P.A.L. W
National AAU Championships
Boston Garden, Boston, MA
Patterson drew a bye into the second round.
April 10, 1951
Second Round
Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Rudy Ortega, Oakland, CA W-3
Quarter-Finals
Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Otis Harris, Norfolk, VA KO-2
April 11, 1951
Semi-Finals
Thomas Nelson, Philadelphia, PA -- Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY W-3
New York Golden Gloves Championships
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
February 18, 1952
Finals
79,4 kg: Floyd Patterson, Empire S.C. -- Clayton Jones, Salem-Crescent A.C. KO-1 0:40
Eastern Golden Gloves Championships
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
March 5, 1952
Semi-Finals
79,4 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Eldridge Thompson, Washington, D.C. W-3
Finals
79,4 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Harold Carter, Newark, NJ TKO-1 2:36
Intercity Golden Gloves Tournament
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY
March 24, 1952
Championship Division
79,4 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Eddie Jones, Chicago, IL W-3
National AAU Championships
Boston Garden, Boston, MA
April 7, 1952
Second Round
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Nick Turner, Columbus, OH KO-1 0:58
April 8, 1952
Quarter-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Harvey Lammers, New Bedford, MA W-3
April 9, 1952
Semi-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Edward Smith, Buffalo, NY TKO-2
Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Joseph Rowan, Philadelphia, PA KO-1 1:38
Patterson was named the outstanding boxer of the Championships.
Eastern Regional Olympic Trials
Albany, NY
May 26, 1952
First Round
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Carl Blair, US Navy TKO-1 1:38
Quarter-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Jim Taylor, US Army TKO-1 1:38
Identical times -- not a typo!!
May 27, 1952
Semi-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Nolan Davis, US Navy KO-2 1:36
Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Angelo DeFendis, New York, NY WO (injury)
National Olympic Trials
Kansas City, MO
June 17, 1952
Second Round
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Bill Tate, Chicago, IL TKO-2 1:01
June 18, 1952
Semi-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Willie Finney, Second Army TKO-1 0:51
Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, Brooklyn, NY -- Gordon Gladson, Bremerton, WA TKO-1
XV Olympic Games
Helsinki, Finland
July 29, 1952
Second Round
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, USA -- Omar Tebbaka, France W-3 (3:0)
July 31, 1952
Quarter-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, USA -- Leonardus Jansen, Holland KO-1
August 1, 1952
Semi-Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, USA -- Stig Sjölin, Sweden DQ-3
August 2, 1952
Finals
75 kg: Floyd Patterson, USA -- Vasile Tiţă, Romania KO-1 0:42
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Venceremos
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El Intocable
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Thanks! Several points:
1. I am not sure about how many fights Floyd had in total, but he obviously did not have 37 KOs in 40 wins. Please remove the KO number.
2. It should say "Palmarés Amateur de Floyd Patterson," not Joe Louis. :)
3. On March 28th he won over Ralph Franz, not Lanz.
4. On March 24th he won the Intercity Tournament (you are missing the tourney name).
5. Please remove the second Blair bout on May 26th.
6. It was the XV Olympiad.
7. The Jimmy Glenn fight had to be in NY; do you have a confirmation that it was in Detroit?
1. I am not sure about how many fights Floyd had in total, but he obviously did not have 37 KOs in 40 wins. Please remove the KO number.
2. It should say "Palmarés Amateur de Floyd Patterson," not Joe Louis. :)
3. On March 28th he won over Ralph Franz, not Lanz.
4. On March 24th he won the Intercity Tournament (you are missing the tourney name).
5. Please remove the second Blair bout on May 26th.
6. It was the XV Olympiad.
7. The Jimmy Glenn fight had to be in NY; do you have a confirmation that it was in Detroit?
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williefromrichmond
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Additions to Floyd Patterson's Amateur Record
In his early autobiography, "Victory Over Myself," Floyd Patterson adds nine bouts to his amateur career (pages 42-47) which are not included in El Intocable's excellent update: six wins (five by ko/tko) and three losses. And it makes no mention of a match with Jimmy Glenn. Most of what Floyd has claimed in this book can be verified in the New York Daily News newspaper accounts of the 1950 and 1951 New York City Golden Gloves tournaments.
Briefly, Floyd says (page 42): "My debut in the ring was made in the sub-novice division of the 147-pound class of the New York Daily News' annual Golden Gloves tournament. My first opponent didn't show up at the Ridgewood Grove and I was the winner by default" (January 1950).
"My first official opponent was a sailor (pages 42-43) [whom he knocked out in 34 seconds of the second round]." (January 1950).
"... My second [official] amateur fight (page 44) [was against Joseph Baglio. He lost the decison] (January 1950).
His next opponent (page 45) was Ray Drake, to whom he lost a points decision. It was held held at Jamaica Arena in Brooklyn. (Undated).
Next, a rematch with Ray Drake at Dexter Park (page 45) and another points defeat. (Undated)
Next, four matches in the 1951 New York City Golden Gloves turnament followed (pages 45-47): two second-round tko victories, a one-round knockout of Harvey Lammers, and a two-round tko over Eddie Henderson.
Floyd then picks up the record El Intocable has researched.
Briefly, Floyd says (page 42): "My debut in the ring was made in the sub-novice division of the 147-pound class of the New York Daily News' annual Golden Gloves tournament. My first opponent didn't show up at the Ridgewood Grove and I was the winner by default" (January 1950).
"My first official opponent was a sailor (pages 42-43) [whom he knocked out in 34 seconds of the second round]." (January 1950).
"... My second [official] amateur fight (page 44) [was against Joseph Baglio. He lost the decison] (January 1950).
His next opponent (page 45) was Ray Drake, to whom he lost a points decision. It was held held at Jamaica Arena in Brooklyn. (Undated).
Next, a rematch with Ray Drake at Dexter Park (page 45) and another points defeat. (Undated)
Next, four matches in the 1951 New York City Golden Gloves turnament followed (pages 45-47): two second-round tko victories, a one-round knockout of Harvey Lammers, and a two-round tko over Eddie Henderson.
Floyd then picks up the record El Intocable has researched.
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williefromrichmond
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Further re: Floyd Patterson's Amateur Record
Back again. I have checked my notes from Floyd's "Victory Over Myself" autobiography (published in 1962) and found five more of his amateur bouts:
Feb. 1951 - Charley Williams W tko 1. First round, Eastern Golden Gloves 160-pound championship (from page 47).
Jan. 1952 - Unnamed opponent W ko 1
Feb. 1952 - Unnamed opponent W ko 1. Quarterfinals and semifinals of New York City Golden Gloves 175-pound championship (I forgot to mark the page number on this one)
Mch. 1952 - Unnamed opponent W ko 1
Mch. 1952 - Unnamed opponent W pts. First round and quarterfinals of Eastern Golden Gloves 175-pound championships (from pages 63-64).
If you include the Jimmy Glenn bout, this suggests that Floyd Patterson's amateur record was 38-5, with 25 KO's, and not 40-4, with 37 KO's, as is usually quoted.
Feb. 1951 - Charley Williams W tko 1. First round, Eastern Golden Gloves 160-pound championship (from page 47).
Jan. 1952 - Unnamed opponent W ko 1
Feb. 1952 - Unnamed opponent W ko 1. Quarterfinals and semifinals of New York City Golden Gloves 175-pound championship (I forgot to mark the page number on this one)
Mch. 1952 - Unnamed opponent W ko 1
Mch. 1952 - Unnamed opponent W pts. First round and quarterfinals of Eastern Golden Gloves 175-pound championships (from pages 63-64).
If you include the Jimmy Glenn bout, this suggests that Floyd Patterson's amateur record was 38-5, with 25 KO's, and not 40-4, with 37 KO's, as is usually quoted.