RTD - Tszyu

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 20 Apr 2007, 03:49

If RTD is being used in records... Why exactly does Kostya Tszyu's record say LTKO11 Hatton? It should be RTD.

THE LATIN SNAKE · Post by **THE LATIN SNAKE** » 21 Apr 2007, 10:00

If seen the fight heaps of times and wondered the same thing

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 21 Apr 2007, 14:12

I believe it goes down as whatever the commission reports it as. Some use RTD, some don't.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 21 Apr 2007, 17:09

Correct;
The fight was for the IBF title which scored it as TKO 11 (3:00).
But it was held in England which (AFAIK) normally would have scored it as RTD 12 (0:10).

Go figure!

Post by **John** » 22 Apr 2007, 15:42

It's not that important, RTD is a subset of TKO. It just gives more information, ie the fighter retired between rounds but it is still a stoppage win other than by KO.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 22 Apr 2007, 19:40

Blue wrote: Correct;
The fight was for the IBF title which scored it as TKO 11 (3:00).
But it was held in England which (AFAIK) normally would have scored it as RTD 12 (0:10).

Go figure!

The WBC or WBA don't use RTD either, and there are plenty of fights for all three IBF/WBC/WBA that are listed as RTD.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 23 Apr 2007, 02:35

That’s probably because they took place after BoxRec started using RTD.

I myself, have been entering in RTD for every corner retirement decision since then
and AFAIK, there has been no formal complaint by the world bodies or commissions.

Even though the Tszyu-Hatton fight was before then, I was surprised the BBC gave
up it’s sovereignty to a group of promoters.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 24 Apr 2007, 19:06

Blue wrote:
That’s probably because they took place after BoxRec started using RTD.

Yes, Ali - Frazier 3 took place after Boxrec started using RTD.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 25 Apr 2007, 04:40

Tantum your fighting a losing battle with these guys. They refuse to accept this deeply flawed and needless RTD rule that is wishy washy in the extreme and changes on the same fights all the time.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 27 Apr 2007, 23:03

Tantum wrote:
Blue wrote:
That’s probably because they took place after BoxRec started using RTD.
Yes, Ali - Frazier 3 took place after Boxrec started using RTD.

Correction entered.

Not being an editor that concerns himself with the past; I stand corrected.
I’ve been informed RTD is to be used across the board.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 27 Apr 2007, 23:14

overhand_right wrote:Tantum your fighting a losing battle with these guys. They refuse to accept this deeply flawed and needless RTD rule that is wishy washy in the extreme and changes on the same fights all the time.

Deeply flawed?

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... hlight=rtd
The only flawed arguments on this subject have been yours.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... hlight=rtd
and

those who think like U.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... d&start=25

RTD may seem needless to U, but not to others.
So why bother BoxRec for giving a select group of people the data they want?

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 29 Apr 2007, 21:20

Whether or not RTD is being used is not my issue with it.

The issue is that it is being used inconsistantly

Someone changes Hatton RTD11 Tszyu to Hatton TKO11 Tszyu, because it makes their fighter look more favorable.

Someone changed it back to RTD recently I see. But it will once again be TKO, because there are too many editors who show personal bias.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 30 Apr 2007, 00:15

I agree, consistency is important and we are getting better at it; The key is to get
the commissions to cooperate so that records can be locked.

No one has ever changed Hatton RTD11 Tszyu to Hatton TKO11 Tszyu; the history
that tracts entries & changes shows it has always been a TKO up until now.

A thread with specifics about too many editors who show personal bias would be great.
Start it, and I’ll come play devils advocate.