ukboxingpress.co.uk

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 02 May 2007, 16:25

I notice the site and forum are now down.

This is sad news in my eyes - Ben was grafting away to build the site up there.

I know there has been some unneccessary airing of 'dirty laundry' in the last few days RE: a disagreement with Maloney but I would be saddened if this led to them throwing in the towel.

Any and all coverage British boxing can receive is most welcome, especially content of the standard that Ben and his team were churnng out.

Lets hope that this is a case of some temporary down time and not the end of the road..

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 02 May 2007, 16:45

Was wondering the same thing actually. Don't visit that or this forum as much as I used to due to work commitments but had seen the spats recently. Does anyone know what's happened?

RUS · Post by **RUS** » 02 May 2007, 16:45

dont these guys get banned, sued and whatever else almost every year? Wonder which site they end up on next... YAWNS

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 02 May 2007, 16:59

let me explain a few things...

one of the 'directors' of the UKBP site posted a thread during the haye/bonin bill last friday, claiming that one of their 'press' reps had complained that she had received a raw deal in terms of standard of press access compared to other sites. while other 'chancers' had been granted ringside access (which was proven wrong

)

accusations were made towards frank maloney et al by the 'directors' of the site and they basically called frank a liar. an accusation of which certainly roused the attention of mr maloney.

frank responded, proved that the lies were in fact coming from UKBP, there was lots of egg on faces, Frank revealed an email from the female rep to him, stating that she was in fact quite happy with her press access. therefore the 'chuckle brothers' had actually been stirring the sh1t. there was lots more egg on face. one of the 'directors' also told a few porkies about his son 'working' on a show for no reward when in fact he had been paid.

oh dear, how the mighty fall.

frank maloney wins by 3 falls and a submission.

the morale of the story.... 'old school peckham wit and power, has the final say over sheffields shit and shower'

im not sorry to see the demise, you cant climb everest without oxygen, however much your head is stuck in the clouds !!

look out for the testicle twins appearing at a web-site near you (but only with moderator status)!!

RUS · Post by **RUS** » 02 May 2007, 17:05

rhino222 wrote:
look out for the testicle twins appearing at a web-site near you (but only with moderator status)!!

yep, yet another site they will wreck

emma · Post by **emma** » 02 May 2007, 17:48

rhino222 wrote:let me explain a few things...

one of the 'directors' of the UKBP site posted a thread during the haye/bonin bill last friday, claiming that one of their 'press' reps had complained that she had received a raw deal in terms of standard of press access compared to other sites. while other 'chancers' had been granted ringside access (which was proven wrong )

accusations were made towards frank maloney et al by the 'directors' of the site and they basically called frank a liar. an accusation of which certainly roused the attention of mr maloney.

frank responded, proved that the lies were in fact coming from UKBP, there was lots of egg on faces, Frank revealed an email from the female rep to him, stating that she was in fact quite happy with her press access. therefore the 'chuckle brothers' had actually been stirring the sh1t. there was lots more egg on face. one of the 'directors' also told a few porkies about his son 'working' on a show for no reward when in fact he had been paid.

oh dear, how the mighty fall.

frank maloney wins by 3 falls and a submission.

the morale of the story.... 'old school east end wit and power, has the final say over sheffields shit and shower'

im not sorry to see the demise, you cant climb everest without oxygen, however much your head is stuck in the clouds !!

look out for the testicle twins appearing at a web-site near you (but only with moderator status)!!

Reading those posts were the highlight of my day. very funny.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 02 May 2007, 18:00

it was good wasnt it, all getting het up about nothing, then frantically trying to dig the website out of a hole that it had created itself..... a sort of internet kamikaze pilot

emma · Post by **emma** » 02 May 2007, 18:07

rhino222 wrote:it was good wasnt it, all getting het up about nothing, then frantically trying to dig the website out of a hole that it had created itself..... a sort of internet kamikaze pilot

They were like a load of school kids arguing over who got the best part in the school play. And they had to bring you into it PATHETIC.

Amsterdam · Post by **Amsterdam** » 02 May 2007, 18:09

emma wrote:
rhino222 wrote:it was good wasnt it, all getting het up about nothing, then frantically trying to dig the website out of a hole that it had created itself..... a sort of internet kamikaze pilot
They were like a load of school kids arguing over who got the best part in the school play. And they had to bring you into it PATHETIC.

I bet they were Amir Khan fans.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 02 May 2007, 18:14

To be fair to Ben, he does work hard and has a passion for the sport - Why he continues to get himself in these positions over and over I just don't understand.

He only ever makes it even more hard work for himself the next time around.

Personally I never visited ukboxingpress, unless a story was linked from here - I didn't even know they had a forum.

I'm sure they wll be back :)

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 02 May 2007, 18:21

both ben and spud worked hard and were/are passionate about the sport.....

however, they thought they were big shots. and their ego's imploded.

as forecast by many people, many times.

emma · Post by **emma** » 02 May 2007, 18:40

rhino222 wrote:both ben and spud worked hard and were/are passionate about the sport.....

however, they thought they were big shots. and their ego's imploded.

as forecast by many people, many times.

what did maloney say 'pathetic website' or something?.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 02 May 2007, 19:11

frank retaliated, thats all, and with justification. frank is a fan of internet boxing sites and forums, but he will not be pressured by them, he is the promoter, he calls the shots, simple as.

emma · Post by **emma** » 02 May 2007, 19:21

rhino222 wrote:frank retaliated, thats all, and with justification. frank is a fan of internet boxing sites and forums, but he will not be pressured by them, he is the promoter, he calls the shots, simple as.

i know I just thought it was funny.

Amsterdam · Post by **Amsterdam** » 02 May 2007, 19:33

rhino222 wrote:frank retaliated, thats all, and with justification. frank is a fan of internet boxing sites and forums, but he will not be pressured by them, he is the promoter, he calls the shots, simple as.

Frank is a virus. :(

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 03 May 2007, 02:30

I'm sad to see the site's demise but not at all surprised. ben is a talented writer, knows his boxing and works very hard and in Suzanne Nield he uncovered a gem.

But the short-term gain of traffic generated by Spud was a poor choice and was always a potential bomb that would do long term damage to any clamour to be taken seriously as a media outlet.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is a temporary hiatus to allow things to cool down and perhaps some bridges to be built because as someone pointed out running the show is the only way to it can work for Ben.

He just needs to lose the sidekick once and for all. It will cost him contacts, traffic on his forum etc but ultimatley it is the only way he'll be taken seriously and avoid these types of meltdown.

I think he knows that but holds a curious affection for the Spudmeister.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 03 May 2007, 04:06

I must say that I'm rather disappointed with the whole affair -- and more than a little irritated by Rhino's comment. I really don't want an argument about it, because I know Rhino has his axe to grind on this issue and I want to be here to post productively rather than fight Spud and Bens's fight for them, but I have to put one or two things straight, and in the absence of a detailed description, give those who don’t know a rundown of what happened.

First, I know Spud can be irritating, but he’s passionate and he puts a hell of a lot of work into the forum. Ben, on the other hand, is anything other than a big shot. In all my dealings with him, he's been quite the opposite, in fact. The problem is that people fall out with Spud, and Ben gets tarnished by association

Second, I don't for one minute think that either party is 'lying' in this dispute with Maloney. It’s easy for people to have different versions of these events and genuinely believe their own version -- especially in such brief and heated exchanges.

Just to provide balance to Rhino's subjective version of events, Ben said he emailed Frank Maloney, or his press officer, I forget which, on a couple of occasions to get confirmation that his reporter, Suzanne Neild, would be granted a press pass. Confirmation was not forthcoming and, bearing in mind his reporter was traveling to London and had to find her own accommodation, Ben was keen to get an answer one way or the other about the press pass. He first texted Maloney wishing him all the best for the show and asking about the press pass of the fight. He had no reply, so Ben called Frank who told Ben in no uncertain terms to get stuffed. Suzanne did eventually get in, but nowhere near the press section. Spud went off it, and the rest, as they say, is history

Frank Maloney, in all fairness, says he didn't receive any emails, and didn't use foul language with Ben, so believe what you will, chaps.

My final point is that while Suzanne did indeed send an email to Frank which appeared to make light of the situation, frankly, I get the impression it’s a case of Spud going a bit overboard, the situation getting into mud-slinging and Suzanne getting worried that it might affect her career and so trying to placate Frank and his press officer. Which is understandable, because she's a cracking writer who's just broken printed media, too.

Anyway, since there's no forum there, I'll be posting on here now, and, again, I don't want a row with Rhino, but I did want to try to show in a little more detail both sides of the argument.

I’m looking forward to posting here, because there’s plenty of great posters and it should be fun.

Big Pussy · Post by **Big Pussy** » 03 May 2007, 04:12

Very interesting post there Carbo. It had me glued. Not.

Now I hope that's the last time you comment on those two geeks- back to boxing.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 03 May 2007, 04:15

Big Pussy wrote:Very interesting post there Carbo. It had me glued. Not.

Now I hope that's the last time you comment on those two geeks- back to boxing.

Me too.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 03 May 2007, 04:35

Carbo wrote:I must say that I'm rather disappointed with the whole affair -- and more than a little irritated by Rhino's comment. I really don't want an argument about it, because I know Rhino has his axe to grind on this issue and I want to be here to post productively rather than fight Spud and Bens's fight for them, but I have to put one or two things straight, and in the absence of a detailed description, give those who don’t know a rundown of what happened.

First, I know Spud can be irritating, but he’s passionate and he puts a hell of a lot of work into the forum. Ben, on the other hand, is anything other than a big shot. In all my dealings with him, he's been quite the opposite, in fact. The problem is that people fall out with Spud, and Ben gets tarnished by association

Second, I don't for one minute think that either party is 'lying' in this dispute with Maloney. It’s easy for people to have different versions of these events and genuinely believe their own version -- especially in such brief and heated exchanges.

Just to provide balance to Rhino's subjective version of events, Ben said he emailed Frank Maloney, or his press officer, I forget which, on a couple of occasions to get confirmation that his reporter, Suzanne Neild, would be granted a press pass. Confirmation was not forthcoming and, bearing in mind his reporter was traveling to London and had to find her own accommodation, Ben was keen to get an answer one way or the other about the press pass. He first texted Maloney wishing him all the best for the show and asking about the press pass of the fight. He had no reply, so Ben called Frank who told Ben in no uncertain terms to get stuffed. Suzanne did eventually get in, but nowhere near the press section. Spud went off it, and the rest, as they say, is history

Frank Maloney, in all fairness, says he didn't receive any emails, and didn't use foul language with Ben, so believe what you will, chaps.

My final point is that while Suzanne did indeed send an email to Frank which appeared to make light of the situation, frankly, I get the impression it’s a case of Spud going a bit overboard, the situation getting into mud-slinging and Suzanne getting worried that it might affect her career and so trying to placate Frank and his press officer. Which is understandable, because she's a cracking writer who's just broken printed media, too.

Anyway, since there's no forum there, I'll be posting on here now, and, again, I don't want a row with Rhino, but I did want to try to show in a little more detail both sides of the argument.

I’m looking forward to posting here, because there’s plenty of great posters and it should be fun.

carbo, much as i do agree with some of your statement i was brought into the arguament when the whole dam charade had nothing to do with me. therefore, when someone questions why im doing something and even brings my son into it then i wont just lay down and die.

i will stand my corner and i did. if the original spat had been between maloney and carey etc then i would have watched with interest from afar. but unfortunately, the moment my name gets mentioned in vain for no reason then i become a contributing party and not just an interested one.

suzanne nield is a talented girl, an i would not be surprised if carey has lost her now to soem other outlet (frankmaloney.com?), as he told maloney a statement of falsehood on her behalf and she emailed maloney with the real facts. and the real facts were that she was happy with her view etc. she was with all of the other internet website individuals. the real journalists (hart etc) got the real press seats. long established websited (britishboxing.net etc) were also in the same area as suzanne. it mr carey who decided this area was not good enough for his representative, it was not suzanne herself. this email from suzanne to maloney was posted by maloney (and rightly so) on the UKBP forum.

and it was quickly deleted.... as were lots of other posts which shone UKBP in a bad light. this was all in tune with previous 'evidence' to do with the subject.

the whole situation could have been avoided very easily indeed (from my involvement). even though i was dragged into the situation very early on (by way of my name appearing etc). the false accusations wound me up, and im like a dog with a bone. a simple apology from UKBP would have made me drop the bone, but the apology was not forthcoming. so the bone remains.

UKBP should continue, purely as an article site, it was a good read and offered an unbiased account of up and coming events, fighter features and bill summary. ben is undoutably a very good sailor, but perhaps all good sailors dont make good captains.

as for davids comments about who ben recruits, well that is open for debate too.

it has been a sad and sorry event, while the other internet sites plod on in their own unopinionated way. and these sites remain to deliver boxing info.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 03 May 2007, 04:50

rhino222 wrote:
Carbo wrote:I must say that I'm rather disappointed with the whole affair -- and more than a little irritated by Rhino's comment. I really don't want an argument about it, because I know Rhino has his axe to grind on this issue and I want to be here to post productively rather than fight Spud and Bens's fight for them, but I have to put one or two things straight, and in the absence of a detailed description, give those who don’t know a rundown of what happened.

First, I know Spud can be irritating, but he’s passionate and he puts a hell of a lot of work into the forum. Ben, on the other hand, is anything other than a big shot. In all my dealings with him, he's been quite the opposite, in fact. The problem is that people fall out with Spud, and Ben gets tarnished by association

Second, I don't for one minute think that either party is 'lying' in this dispute with Maloney. It’s easy for people to have different versions of these events and genuinely believe their own version -- especially in such brief and heated exchanges.

Just to provide balance to Rhino's subjective version of events, Ben said he emailed Frank Maloney, or his press officer, I forget which, on a couple of occasions to get confirmation that his reporter, Suzanne Neild, would be granted a press pass. Confirmation was not forthcoming and, bearing in mind his reporter was traveling to London and had to find her own accommodation, Ben was keen to get an answer one way or the other about the press pass. He first texted Maloney wishing him all the best for the show and asking about the press pass of the fight. He had no reply, so Ben called Frank who told Ben in no uncertain terms to get stuffed. Suzanne did eventually get in, but nowhere near the press section. Spud went off it, and the rest, as they say, is history

Frank Maloney, in all fairness, says he didn't receive any emails, and didn't use foul language with Ben, so believe what you will, chaps.

My final point is that while Suzanne did indeed send an email to Frank which appeared to make light of the situation, frankly, I get the impression it’s a case of Spud going a bit overboard, the situation getting into mud-slinging and Suzanne getting worried that it might affect her career and so trying to placate Frank and his press officer. Which is understandable, because she's a cracking writer who's just broken printed media, too.

Anyway, since there's no forum there, I'll be posting on here now, and, again, I don't want a row with Rhino, but I did want to try to show in a little more detail both sides of the argument.

I’m looking forward to posting here, because there’s plenty of great posters and it should be fun.
carbo, much as i do agree with some of your statement i was brought into the arguament when the whole dam charade had nothing to do with me. therefore, when someone questions why im doing something and even brings my son into it then i wont just lay down and die.

i will stand my corner and i did. if the original spat had been between maloney and carey etc then i would have watched with interest from afar. but unfortunately, the moment my name gets mentioned in vain for no reason then i become a contributing party and not just an interested one.

suzanne nield is a talented girl, an i would not be surprised if carey has lost her now to soem other outlet (frankmaloney.com?), as he told maloney a statement of falsehood on her behalf and she emailed maloney with the real facts. and the real facts were that she was happy with her view etc. she was with all of the other internet website individuals. the real journalists (hart etc) got the real press seats. long established websited (britishboxing.net etc) were also in the same area as suzanne. it mr carey who decided this area was not good enough for his representative, it was not suzanne herself. this email from suzanne to maloney was posted by maloney (and rightly so) on the UKBP forum.

and it was quickly deleted.... as were lots of other posts which shone UKBP in a bad light. this was all in tune with previous 'evidence' to do with the subject.

the whole situation could have been avoided very easily indeed (from my involvement). even though i was dragged into the situation very early on (by way of my name appearing etc). the false accusations wound me up, and im like a dog with a bone. a simple apology from UKBP would have made me drop the bone, but the apology was not forthcoming. so the bone remains.

UKBP should continue, purely as an article site, it was a good read and offered an unbiased account of up and coming events, fighter features and bill summary. ben is undoutably a very good sailor, but perhaps all good sailors dont make good captains.

as for davids comments about who ben recruits, well that is open for debate too.

it has been a sad and sorry event, while the other internet sites plod on in their own unopinionated way. and these sites remain to deliver boxing info.

Ben was excellent as 'captain' of the doghouse British team.

I liked the forum, and wish the site was back the way it was.

I probably side with Maloney in that I think that Spud went over the top with his criticism, but I disagree with much of what you say. And I don't think you should pass off your opinion, or the opinion of others, as fact. Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on the matter; I really want to post here, and I don't want mods thinking that I'm here just to argue with one of the regulars

lowersmiths · Post by **lowersmiths** » 03 May 2007, 04:56

another site sunk by spud

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 03 May 2007, 05:04

ok carbo, no prob, ive said my piece anyway, but all ill ask you to remember, is that i was dragged into the thing, it was not my choice, hence me feeling aggreived enough to pass my opinions.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 03 May 2007, 05:07

Carbo wrote: Ben was excellent as 'captain' of the doghouse British team.

i agree with this post too, but the name of the ship changed too often didnt it.

eastside

british boxing

doghouseboxing

boxingtalk

UKBP

and the common denominators here are that the same people were moderators on all of these sites. with the same selective editing and the same old fall outs. and all of the site forums went the same way. down the pan !! why people cant just join in with a forum as a contributor and not a moderator confuses me.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 03 May 2007, 05:50

Jesus, this went off quick, I go to Manchester to watch the Liverpool game, get up late yesterday, go work, get up this morning and all hell has broken loose

I consequently have no idea what has REALLY gone on and dont feel like its a great time to start asking Spud or Ben

All I know is that the lads put a lot off hard work in and it would be a shame for it all to be wasted, the writing was quality...

Where does it go?? I dont know but hello to the guys on this forum....