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rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 03 May 2007, 05:58

hi pocket.

what we need is a forum that we can all get together in, but with perhaps different people running it, who have no bias nor hidden agenda.

perhaps this is the one ?

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 03 May 2007, 06:06

As a (former?) writer at UKBP, I'm a bit disappointed nobody had the courtesy to send me an explanation or at least a warning in advance that the site was to be pulled. As the site disappears into the ether, so too does all my work published on it.

I said I wasn't going to comment on the Maloney issue, because since I wasn't there or involved in any way, there was no point. The same still applies.

I'd just like to know, in the current absence of any communication from Ben or Spud, was anybody there at the time of or just before the deletion? Was anything posted as to reasons?

Whatever happened, a shame to see it go. I enjoyed contributing to it and I felt some good times lay ahead.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 03 May 2007, 06:07

As you know Rhino, ive only just got a computor, I want to talk Boxing to guys who dont have a glazed look when I mention Bernard Dunne! This is a great Forum, im happy here..the posters aare good and it runs faster on my comp than DHB

But I dont want the lads hard work to go to waste, im sure conversations are ongoing as we speak...

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 03 May 2007, 06:09

No Olly, as I said I went on this morning it it had gone

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 03 May 2007, 06:21

i caught the tail end of it last night about 7pm just before it was pulled, suzanne nield had emailed frank maloney with her side of the story, which seemed fair as she was the main subject of the debate.

the email suggested that she was nothing to do with the issue and indeed had not complained to messers spud or ben at all about her positioning nor view.

therefore the whole story did not tally, and egg was on faces, suddenly the UKBP angle on things lacked backbone, and the site was pulled. UKBP had burnt its bridges with FM, whether suzanne jumps ship too remains to be seen.

hopefully it will return as a writers only site with no forum, as that was the beginning of the end, as usual.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 03 May 2007, 06:22

oliverfennell wrote:As a (former?) writer at UKBP, I'm a bit disappointed nobody had the courtesy to send me an explanation or at least a warning in advance that the site was to be pulled. As the site disappears into the ether, so too does all my work published on it.

I said I wasn't going to comment on the Maloney issue, because since I wasn't there or involved in any way, there was no point. The same still applies.

I'd just like to know, in the current absence of any communication from Ben or Spud, was anybody there at the time of or just before the deletion? Was anything posted as to reasons?

Whatever happened, a shame to see it go. I enjoyed contributing to it and I felt some good times lay ahead.

im gutted for you oliver, your stuff was good and i enjoyed reading it, surely you have kept copy of your work.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 03 May 2007, 06:26

rhino222 wrote:i caught the tail end of it last night about 7pm just before it was pulled, suzanne nield had emailed frank maloney with her side of the story, which seemed fair as she was the main subject of the debate.

the email suggested that she was nothing to do with the issue and indeed had not complained to messers spud or ben at all about her positioning nor view.

therefore the whole story did not tally, and egg was on faces, suddenly the UKBP angle on things lacked backbone, and the site was pulled. UKBP had burnt its bridges with FM, whether suzanne jumps ship too remains to be seen.

hopefully it will return as a writers only site with no forum, as that was the beginning of the end, as usual.

Once again I wasnt there but do Ben and Spud think Suzanne has sold them down the river, not expecting FM to post her email on the forum???

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 03 May 2007, 06:32

hey, suzanne was not at fault, if you are making up stories about a party being unhappy with something then she has/had a right to respond as she has a big future reporting on the sport.

it was them who sold her down the river and not vice versa in my opinion.

and FM etc were bound to publish her email if it indicated that there was a load of unneccessary (spelling?) wooden spooning going on.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 03 May 2007, 06:35

rhino222 wrote:im gutted for you oliver, your stuff was good and i enjoyed reading it, surely you have kept copy of your work.

Well yes, I have most (though not all) the original Word documents, but the point is anybody can type something into a word processor. That was my proof of publication.

I do have other work in archives elsewhere from the past, but that's not the point. I've written exclusively for UKBP for the last five or six months and as far as the wider world is concerned, it's as though it never happened.

I had a lot of respect for Ben, always found him to be a nice guy, committed and professional, but as I was probably among UKBP's top three contributors in terms of number of articles, I feel I should have at least been given a heads-up, an explanation, and a chance to save a hard copy of the original pages.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 03 May 2007, 06:39

rhino222 wrote:hey, suzanne was not at fault, if you are making up stories about a party being unhappy with something then she has/had a right to respond as she has a big future reporting on the sport.

it was them who sold her down the river and not vice versa in my opinion.

and FM etc were bound to publish her email if it indicated that there was a load of unneccessary (spelling?) wooden spooning going on.

Whoa, I was playing Devils advocate Rhino old Buddy!!

Obviously FM was going to post it but did Suzanne expect him to?(whethers shes bothered either way is neither here nor there)

I just wonder if there has been a breakdown in communication and its gone off bigtime...I cant bring myself to believe that Ben has gone and started some shit cos its funny and it takes up a few hours..

This is no reflection on anyone involved of course

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 03 May 2007, 07:00

Well, your ALL welcome to post on here. I don't think we'll be in the process of recruiting/changing moderators on here - although that decision will lie with John Shep.

It does grate me a little when after such a walk out on the various forums (Doghouse/Boxingtalk/Eastside etc) we get a shit load of posters who say "enough of the moving, I'm sticking by Boxrec" only to follow the flock back about a week later.... and digs about us being trainspotters often occur.

It would be great to see you guys stick around, start threads etc to see if we are all trainspotters. I am

, but plenty of people are not and most of us have a wicked sense of humour.

We'll welcome posts from everybody (including Ben and Spud) and I can certainly say I will not edit the posts... I might lock a couple of threads if they just go OTT - but won't tamper with a post.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 03 May 2007, 07:00

its ok mate, you have read my post in the wrong tone, was not angled in a tone towards you at all. was just saying it as i saw it.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 03 May 2007, 07:09

Soz Rhino, was a bit 0-100 in 0.2 secs there

Im sure it will all come out in the wash later on, if the motivation is to pull the site-forum while the facts are established and everything calms down then thats OK...

Oliver, Suzanne and friends have worked hard and Ben and Spud do care about the site and the sport..hopefully level heads prevail

Oh, and ta Stu

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 03 May 2007, 07:14

Spud is gone??!! Oh dear God in heaven how will we ever survive??!!

I checked out the writing over there a few times, and have to agree, Ben and Suzzane are excellent writers, credit where it's due.

But having a loose cannon like Spud on board is really shooting yourself in the foot - history tends to repeat itself, doesn't it?

RUS · Post by **RUS** » 03 May 2007, 07:19

dont worry, Spud will be back somewhere and all you people will follow him and his girlfriend Ben around like sheep... again

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 03 May 2007, 07:31

As Spud himself would say, he has ‘an audit trail’ of making a hash of things when it comes to shooting his mouth off, and once again it has ended in disaster.

Ben is an undoubtedly committed and talented writer but Spud’s ego and desire to be something, anything, in the world of boxing has led to him throwing his toys out of the pram over what should have been a relatively minor issue.

Any disagreement with Maloney should have been dealt with in a professional and courteous manner, not emblazoned all over a message board. Spud’s lack of tact and desire to be thought of as a big shot has lost a handful of quality writers a home and has undone all of Ben’s hard work behind the scenes.

I hope lessons are learned and Spud can resign himself to being an opinionated fan and occasional gofer at shows. When he strays beyond this level of involvement, disaster is sure to follow.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 03 May 2007, 07:39

RUS wrote:dont worry, Spud will be back somewhere and all you people will follow him and his girlfriend Ben around like sheep... again

I hate to say this, but I never even looked at their website. That's not a knock on the writing, as I've said before, Ben is an excellent writer who knows his stuff.

I don't really have time to surf any more websites than i already do, what with fightnews, maxboxing, britishboxing.net and here.

As for following Spud around, no need, I can always hear about his latest shitstorm through the grapevine. I just don't understand why on earth he feels compelled to do this time and time again. I don't have a problem with him personally, but he just seems to shoot himself in the nuts over and over again. Possibly he thinks controversy and getting yourself threatened with legal action is a good thing?

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 03 May 2007, 07:47

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:C8_P ... cd=6&gl=uk

Some of them wont be for long.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 03 May 2007, 07:50

Ollie,

Use Google's 'cache' option to find your work.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 03 May 2007, 07:57

Hello loves, Spuds at it again is he?

It only takes about 34 seconds to set up another blog(It was a blog, a free blog, lets remember) so i'm sure they will be back in business soon.

Ben's addiction to Spud baffles me, i remember countless time he would tell me all about Spuds over reactions that were killing sites/forums and that he would never work with him again etc only to get back into bed with him the following month

Sorry you lot lost your work, btw

x

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 03 May 2007, 09:21

I'll tell you what, there are some sarcastic bastards around these boxing forums.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 03 May 2007, 09:24

Isn't that the Ghanian who fights out of Serbia?

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 03 May 2007, 09:26

Boxing "forumites" generally inhabit a region somewhere between thuggery and buggery, no?

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 03 May 2007, 09:28

I've been on the phone with Ben and, while I'm not going to go through exactly what was said, in case he wishes to make an official statement at some point, it does seem he was quite badly treated by a certain person and, while he accepts there might have been better ways of going about things, his intentions were honourable.

This whole scenario can ultimately only be a case of "he said, she said" because only those who were involved know EXACTLY what happened, but for what it's worth, I do believe he had done nothing wrong.

If what he says is true about a certain person, then Ben was royally screwed, and it was this which led to the site being pulled. Spud didn't pull the site, Ben did, because simply put, he'd had enough. The whole situation had worn him out and at the moment, he just wants to have a break.

I maintain it was wrong to delete the entire site. Even if he wanted out, he could have just left it up with no updates, so the archives were accessible, and closed the forum. As it was, there was nothing on the site which would have gotten anybody into trouble. But I suppose we've all at some point been so wound up by something that we've broken it, and this is just a e-version of that.

I feel sorry for the guy. He put a lot of work and emotional investment into UKBP and to pull the plug on your own brainchild overnight must be heartbreaking (I pulled my own website in 2005 but it was something I had planned). But, as others have said, I'm sure he'll be back.

Meanwhile, I'll have to go through the Google cache...

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 03 May 2007, 09:31

"official statement??"

Since when did someone closing their free worldpress blog require an official statement?

Internet boxing is so glamorous!!