Favorites to take the G.G.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 May 2007, 13:39

Isiah Thomas' bout yesterday was low scoring and not very exciting. I'm not surprised that it was a 4-1 split. I'm not sure about Wilder though. He is tall (6'6" or 6'7") with long arms. He also seems to have a good straight right. It will be interesting to see if the orthodox Wilder can use it effectively against the southpaw Thomas. The other semi-final will pit orthodox Calhoun against southpaw Thompson. This bout will be tough, but I think Calhoun will win it.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 May 2007, 14:38

Dennis,

Isiah won a controversial 2-1 split over Lewis

Did you mean a 3-2 split or were there only three judges on that bout (which doesn't make sense)?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 May 2007, 15:08

boxmel wrote:Dennis,
Isiah won a controversial 2-1 split over Lewis
Did you mean a 3-2 split or were there only three judges on that bout (which doesn't make sense)?

Yes, from what I understand they only had 3 judges scoring the all of the Detroit Golden Gloves' bouts and it was a 2-1 split.

Here is the info about the bout on Sportssummary.com:
Isaiah Thomas of Kronk won a controversial split decision over Craig Lewis of Casa De Boxeo at 201-lbs. Thomas was penalized for holding in one round and went down by accident and not by knockdown more than what one would expect of someone with his experience.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 May 2007, 15:28

Yes, from what I understand they only had 3 judges scoring the all of the Detroit Golden Gloves' bouts and it was a 2-1 split.

Ooops - thought you were talking about the national GG. Too bad they didn't have enough judges for 5 at the local level.

Isaiah Thomas of Kronk won a controversial split decision over Craig Lewis of Casa De Boxeo at 201-lbs. Thomas was penalized for holding in one round

Adds 2 points to the opponent. If Isaiah was way ahead, this wouldn't have made too much difference.

and went down by accident and not by knockdown more than what one would expect of someone with his experience.

If the judges decided the "went down" was due to a blow, they can count it as one punch. If not, and/or the referee did not give a standing 8 count, then it didn't impact the decision.

the_boxer · Post by **the_boxer** » 04 May 2007, 16:12

yeah u right but isiah wasn't at his best and craig coundn't really hit him 2much, and i think if siah would have stoped everybody at the nationals he might not be in the best shape that he could be because he would have stoped them other 2 guys he fought

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 May 2007, 17:11

the_boxer wrote:yeah u right but isiah wasn't at his best and craig coundn't really hit him 2much, and i think if siah would have stoped everybody at the nationals he might not be in the best shape that he could be because he would have stoped them other 2 guys he fought

I am waiting for his breakout performance.

emile · Post by **emile** » 04 May 2007, 22:25

May 4
Semifinal Bouts
106 lbs/48 kg: Francisco Ibarra, Fort Lupton, Colo. - Colorado-New Mexico dec. Charles Martin, Bakersfield, Calif. - California, 3-2
106 lbs/48 kg: Luis Yanez, Duncanville, Texas - Texas dec. Stephon Young, St. Louis, Mo. - St. Louis, 5-0
112 lbs/51 kg: Qa'id Muhammad, Atlantic City, N.J. - Pennsylvania dec. Louie Padilla, Las Vegas, Nev. - Nevada, 5-0
112 lbs/51 kg: Aaron Alafa, Visalia, Calif. - California dec. Joseph Francisco, Chattanooga, Tenn. - Knoxville, 4-1
119 lbs/54 kg: Ronny Rios, Santa Ana, Calif. - California dec. Sammy DiPace, Las Cruces, N.M. - Colorado-New Mexico, 3-2
119 lbs/54 kg: Jorge Diaz, Jr., New Brunswick, N.J. - New Jersey dec. David Clark, San Diego, Calif. - California, 5-0
125 lbs/57 kg: Raynell Williams, Cleveland, Ohio - Cleveland dec. Derrick Murray, St. Louis, Mo. - St. Louis, 5-0
125 lbs/57 kg: Hylon Williams, Houston, Texas - Texas dec. Luis Del Valle, Newburgh, N.Y. - New York Metro, 4-1
132 lbs/60 kg: Sadam Ali, Brooklyn, N.Y. - New York Metro dec. Stan Martyniouk, Antelope, Calif. - California, 4-1
132 lbs/60 kg: Darwin Price, Jr., St. Louis, Mo. - St. Louis dec. Tony Lee, Upper Midwest, 5-0
141 lbs/64 kg: Brad Solomon, Douglasville, Ga. - Knoxville dec. Andre Sherard, Milwaukee, Wis. - Wisconsin, 3-2
141 lbs/64 kg: Jessie Vargas, Las Vegas, Nev. - Nevada dec. Tahree Carroll, Philadelphia, Pa. - Pennsylvania
152 lbs/69 kg: Demetrius Andrade, Providence, R.I. - New England dec. Javonn Barnes, Muskegon, Mich. - Michigan, 5-0
152 lbs/69 kg: Charles Hatley, Dallas, Texas - Texas dec. John Thompson, E. Orange, N.J. - New Jersey, 5-0

Partial results - wow, Hylon Williams beats Del Valle, but DiPace loses to Ronny Rios who I haven't heard of. Everything else seems pretty expected. There was an interesting story on Darwin Price, who wants to compete in both boxing and middle-distance track and cross country racing.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 May 2007, 22:35

Ronny Rios is a quiet kid from Southern California who has just come out of the JO program. He seems to be making an excellent crossover into the senior division. I have a feeling that if Sammy brawled, which he tends to do, counting on the excellent power he had as a JO, that Ronny may have just outboxed him - just a speculation since I didn't see the bout. I guess Hylon Williams is going to be someone to watch at 125.

the_boxer · Post by **the_boxer** » 04 May 2007, 23:16

165 lbs/75 kg: J'Leon Love, Detroit, Mich. - Detroit dec. Orphius Waite, Chicago, Ill. - Chicago, 4-1 yes sirrrrrrrr

emile · Post by **emile** » 05 May 2007, 00:11

...the rest

165 lbs/75 kg: Shawn Porter, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio - Cleveland dec. Willie Monroe, Jr., Rochester, N.Y., 5-0
165 lbs/75 kg: J'Leon Love, Dearborn Heights, Mich. - Detroit dec. Orphius Waite, Chicago, Ill. - Chicago, 4-1
178 lbs/81 kg: De'Rae Crane, Davenport, Iowa/NMU - Wisconsin dec. Joshua Garza, Baytown, Texas - Texas, 4-1
178 lbs/81 kg: Siju Shabazz, Las Cruces, N.M. - Colorado-New Mexico dec. Alexander Johnson, Oxon Hill, Md. - Washington DC, 5-0
201 lbs/91 kg: Deontay Wilder, Tuscaloosa, Ala. - Knoxville dec. Isiah Thomas, Detroit, Mich. - Detroit, 3-2
201 lbs/91 kg: David Thompson, Brooklyn, N.Y. - New York Metro dec. Danny Calhoun, Cincinnati, Ohio - Cincinnati, 3-2
201+ lbs/91+ kg: Nathaniel James, Malden, Mass./NMU - Wisconsin dec. Joe Hanks, Orange, N.J. - New Jersey, 4-1
201+ lbs/91+ kg: Tyler Turner, Washington DC - Washington DC stopped Jonte Willis, Tacoma, Wash. - Nevada, RSC-4 (1:06)

Who is Tyler Turner? A stoppage win over Jonte Willis surprises me. And Deontay Wilder wins, hey. Looks like I picked a winner.

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 05 May 2007, 00:18

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 May 2007, 00:20

Very interesting to see Jorge Diaz in the finals. Wonder how he got away with boxing for Puerto Rico at the Pam Am qualifier and now competing in the Golden Gloves ........can't box for two countries at the same time.

I don't care for athletes who cheat. I'm definitely rooting for Rios (my LBC) to win.

emile · Post by **emile** » 05 May 2007, 00:35

DaveV17 wrote:Tyler Turner was a football player at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va.
http://www.libertyflames.com/index.cfm? ... 4&TeamID=9

Tyler boxed when he was younger, and stopped boxing while he was in college. He started boxing again about 2-3 months ago and only had one fight (the D.C. regional) before fighting in the GG.

He is about 6-2 or 3 and a solid, athletic 225-30. He is trained by Maynard Quisenberry and fights out of the Gator gym in Roanoke, Va.

Hmm, from Minnesota, ex-football player...another Joey Abell? Thanks for the info, sounds like he's a guy to watch with 201+ still being pretty open.

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 05 May 2007, 00:49

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 May 2007, 12:23

I'm guessing that he was a three time National Collegiate Boxing Assn. champion. NCBA is "novice" boxing and not to be compared with "open" boxing in USAB.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 May 2007, 13:23

boxmel wrote:Ronny Rios is a quiet kid from Southern California who has just come out of the JO program. He seems to be making an excellent crossover into the senior division. I have a feeling that if Sammy brawled, which he tends to do, counting on the excellent power he had as a JO, that Ronny may have just outboxed him - just a speculation since I didn't see the bout. I guess Hylon Williams is going to be someone to watch at 125.

Sammy has been brawling a lot. He also just stands in front of his opponents with his hands high. What happened to the angles and head movement he used to give opponents when he was younger?

Hylon Williams looked very good. Very good movement and excellent hand speed. DelValle could not match Hylon's speed.

emile · Post by **emile** » 05 May 2007, 13:40

Dennis wrote:
boxmel wrote:Ronny Rios is a quiet kid from Southern California who has just come out of the JO program. He seems to be making an excellent crossover into the senior division. I have a feeling that if Sammy brawled, which he tends to do, counting on the excellent power he had as a JO, that Ronny may have just outboxed him - just a speculation since I didn't see the bout. I guess Hylon Williams is going to be someone to watch at 125.
Sammy has been brawling a lot. He also just stands in front of his opponents with his hands high. What happened to the angles and head movement he use to give opponents when he was younger?

Hylon Williams looked very good. Very good movement and excellent hand speed. DelValle could not match Hylon's speed.

So wait wait wait. I was just looking at Hylon's website (which is kind of disturbingly professionally done), and unless my math is off, this kid only turns 17 in July?! Should he win today, when was the last time a 16-year-old won the National Golden Gloves? That is freaking impressive.

emile · Post by **emile** » 05 May 2007, 13:46

Various Tournament Notes - Chattanooga Times Free-Press

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 May 2007, 13:47

emile wrote:...the rest

165 lbs/75 kg: Shawn Porter, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio - Cleveland dec. Willie Monroe, Jr., Rochester, N.Y., 5-0
165 lbs/75 kg: J'Leon Love, Dearborn Heights, Mich. - Detroit dec. Orphius Waite, Chicago, Ill. - Chicago, 4-1
178 lbs/81 kg: De'Rae Crane, Davenport, Iowa/NMU - Wisconsin dec. Joshua Garza, Baytown, Texas - Texas, 4-1
178 lbs/81 kg: Siju Shabazz, Las Cruces, N.M. - Colorado-New Mexico dec. Alexander Johnson, Oxon Hill, Md. - Washington DC, 5-0
201 lbs/91 kg: Deontay Wilder, Tuscaloosa, Ala. - Knoxville dec. Isiah Thomas, Detroit, Mich. - Detroit, 3-2
201 lbs/91 kg: David Thompson, Brooklyn, N.Y. - New York Metro dec. Danny Calhoun, Cincinnati, Ohio - Cincinnati, 3-2
201+ lbs/91+ kg: Nathaniel James, Malden, Mass./NMU - Wisconsin dec. Joe Hanks, Orange, N.J. - New Jersey, 4-1
201+ lbs/91+ kg: Tyler Turner, Washington DC - Washington DC stopped Jonte Willis, Tacoma, Wash. - Nevada, RSC-4 (1:06)

Who is Tyler Turner? A stoppage win over Jonte Willis surprises me. And Deontay Wilder wins, hey. Looks like I picked a winner.

106 - Luis Yanez will win barring some unforeseen injury. It will take him getting sick or injured to lose.

112- Qa'id Muhammad v. Aaron Alafa. I will go with Muhammad as I think he is just too strong for Alafa. This may be a very competitive bout though.

119 - Ronny Rios v. Jorge Diaz. Pick 'em bout here. I will go with Diaz, but it is going to be a tough bout.

125 - Raynell Williams v. Hylon Williams. This could be one of the most competitive bouts of the tournament. Both guys have very good speed and movement. I think the edge goes to Williams - LOL.
OK - Hylon that is, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ray wins it.

132 - Sadam Ali v. Darwin Price. Price does look like a track star out there. He runs a lot. He has fast feet. If Sadam stays cool and cuts off the ring, he should win this bout. If he gets frustrated and lunges at Price, he will lose. I predict Sadam to win.

141 - Brad Solomon v. Jessie Vargas. A very tough bout to call. I know Solomon has been here before and I will go with him.

152 - Demetrius Andrade v. Charles Hatley. I expect a replay of last year's US Championships and another victory for Andrade.

165 - Shawn Porter v. J'Leon Love. Shawn Porter is looking very good. Love is also good, but just not ready for Porter in my opinion. I expect Shawn to win tonight.

178 - DeRae Crane v. Siju Shabazz. This one is a little tougher to call than 165, but I was not impressed with DeRae Crane's last 2 bouts. Siju Shabazz looked good and was in excellent condition so he might pull it out. I will go with him to win it.

201 - Deontay Wilder defeated Isiah Thomas, but it was close. Wilder gasses out in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Thomas was very hesitant to exchange at all with Wilder and it cost him the decision. David Thompson barely beat Danny Calhoun and he too gassed out in the 3rd and 4th rounds. This one is tough to pick, but I think Thompson will win it.

201+ - Turner is tough and has deceptively quick hands and feet for a big guy. He has big arms, but didn't get gas out as guys with big arms often do. Nate James is coming on stronger the last few bouts and I expect his southpaw style and size to give Turner problems. James is 6'5" or 6'6" and 265# so he will have a distinct size advantage. James needs to be careful because Turner can obviously punch hard. I will go with James to win.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 May 2007, 14:20

Should he win today, when was the last time a 16-year-old won the National Golden Gloves? That is freaking impressive.

Don't have any stats on hand....however this isn't too unusual. Fernando Vargas won the U.S. Championships when he was 16, for instance.

112- Qa'id Muhammad v. Aaron Alafa. I will go with Muhammad as I think he is just too strong for Alafa. This may be a very competitive bout though.

Yep - AJ has no power. He does, however, have much experience. This could be a deciding factor - providing he doesn't hold and get points taken away.

emile · Post by **emile** » 05 May 2007, 14:27

boxmel wrote:
Should he win today, when was the last time a 16-year-old won the National Golden Gloves? That is freaking impressive.
Don't have any stats on hand....however this isn't too unusual. Fernando Vargas won the U.S. Championships when he was 16, for instance.

Wow, I would think that 16-year-olds would be at a major disadvantage against guys 2-5 years older, but I suppose that if you have special talent, it will come out quick since American fighters tend to turn pro so early.

I wonder what the pro success rate is for American fighters who start winning tournaments this young. I'd bet its good - if Hylon has a career anywhere near Vargas, he will have done pretty well for himself.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 May 2007, 14:35

Wow, I would think that 16-year-olds would be at a major disadvantage against guys 2-5 years older, but I suppose that if you have special talent, it will come out quick since American fighters tend to turn pro so early.

I would say a majority of the time it really doesn't have to do with "special talent" as much as the luck of the draw. One side of the bracket is usually somewhat "weaker" than the other allowing for wins by boxers who are maybe faster, or more powerful or more experienced. Vargas didn't have any "special talent." In my opinion, Oscar is the last phenom we've had in amateur boxing, with Mayweather a distant second.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 May 2007, 18:06

boxmel wrote:
Wow, I would think that 16-year-olds would be at a major disadvantage against guys 2-5 years older, but I suppose that if you have special talent, it will come out quick since American fighters tend to turn pro so early.
I would say a majority of the time it really doesn't have to do with "special talent" as much as the luck of the draw. One side of the bracket is usually somewhat "weaker" than the other allowing for wins by boxers who are maybe faster, or more powerful or more experienced. Vargas didn't have any "special talent." In my opinion, Oscar is the last phenom we've had in amateur boxing, with Mayweather a distant second.

Mel - is that your prediction for tonight - Oscar #1 and Floyd a distant #2??? I will go the opposite way. Floyd wins by UD-12 or late round TKO (10 or 11).

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 05 May 2007, 21:06

My heart wants Oscar to permanently shut Mayweather's mouth. My head says otherwise. However, that's what makes boxing the sport it is - anything can happen, especially if they both go all out.

emile · Post by **emile** » 05 May 2007, 22:43

boxmel wrote:My heart wants Oscar to permanently shut Mayweather's mouth. My head says otherwise. However, that's what makes boxing the sport it is - anything can happen, especially if they both go all out.

Permanently? Yikes, that's pretty harsh Mel.