I'm confused.

FinitoLopez · Post by **FinitoLopez** » 05 May 2007, 11:55

Maybe its because I don't know the whole story but Amir is fighting Limond who has an ok record and he has less fights then Murray. Murray has more experience then him and is fighting Brethea. Yet Murray is saying that he is scared and not willing to face real competition. While I admit Khan's opponents have not been the most accomplished he has far from padded his record (okay there are a few Steffy Bull's) but with not even 20 fights he has done it far less then Murray. Why does he catch so much criticism.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 May 2007, 14:12

In a nutshell mate, Khan boasted that he could handle Murray now with ease and that he would soon be out of reach of Murray and the other domestic lightweights... Murray replied by offering to fight Khan on the Vegas bill, at which point Khan said that Murray wasnt the right fight for him now!.... thing is you dont diss fellow fighters like Khan has and then run away when they challenge you to a fight... Murray would be a much harder fight for Khan than Limond will be... Limond is a nice boxer but cant break an egg even with a brick in his glove...

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 05 May 2007, 14:28

Another point Silkov, Khan enjoys more or less joint top of the bill status on ITV - His huge ego wouldnt allow him to go to Vegas to fight bottom of the undercard

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 05 May 2007, 15:08

Undercard, smundercard. If he took up that fight there is a good chance both HBO and Sky would of picked it up with 2 unbeaten prospects, one being an olympian.

And if that was picked up for coverage, then with the hugeness of the fight in the main event, it would probably be the most watched fight of Khans career with all the countries it goes out to. Even if Khan goes onto being a genuine world level operator, he probably wouldn't reach anything approaching that kind of audience and exposure.

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 05 May 2007, 15:20

Cannibal wrote:Undercard, smundercard. If he took up that fight there is a good chance both HBO and Sky would of picked it up with 2 unbeaten prospects, one being an olympian.

And if that was picked up for coverage, then with the hugeness of the fight in the main event, it would probably be the most watched fight of Khans career with all the countries it goes out to. Even if Khan goes onto being a genuine world level operator, he probably wouldn't reach anything approaching that kind of audience and exposure.

There is no way HBO would of picked it up unless it was on the undercard of a Calzaghe fight.

It's plainly obvious this fight is not gonna happen though, because neither one of those boxers are their own matchmakers. That's why it means nothing when you here most fighters calling each other out. To get a real idea of what's going on you have to here what the promoters are saying.

Grilling Machine · Post by **Grilling Machine** » 05 May 2007, 15:24

Cannibal wrote:Even if Khan goes onto being a genuine world level operator, he probably wouldn't reach anything approaching that kind of audience and exposure.

It's incredible that any prospect would turn down such an occasion.

I'd fight Murray myself, just for the evening out!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 May 2007, 15:51

Definately, if he had any real passion for the game beyond getting flash cars and watches Khan would have been biting Warrens hands off to try and get him on this Vegas bill... maybe they couldnt find someone who hits lightly enough for him over there though!??... 8)

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 May 2007, 16:04

Grilling Machine wrote:
Cannibal wrote:Even if Khan goes onto being a genuine world level operator, he probably wouldn't reach anything approaching that kind of audience and exposure.
It's incredible that any prospect would turn down such an occasion.

I'd fight Murray myself, just for the evening out!

no audience in an off tv bottom of the bill

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 05 May 2007, 16:26

Grilling Machine wrote:
Cannibal wrote:Even if Khan goes onto being a genuine world level operator, he probably wouldn't reach anything approaching that kind of audience and exposure.
It's incredible that any prospect would turn down such an occasion.

I'd fight Murray myself, just for the evening out!

Froch is supposed to have turned down fighting Calzaghe because the money offered was derisory - The trouble with fighters who have massive egos is they cant see fights like these as an investment for the future - Take a poor payday or fight well down the undercard and if you do win you can make sqillions out of beating big name opponents - Khan beating Murray would I think be more of a test than Willie Limond and do him loads of good and credibility - As you say the audience is massive and also American so that would put him on the world stage overnight.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 05 May 2007, 16:28

Final Fight wrote:
Grilling Machine wrote:
Cannibal wrote:Even if Khan goes onto being a genuine world level operator, he probably wouldn't reach anything approaching that kind of audience and exposure.
It's incredible that any prospect would turn down such an occasion.

I'd fight Murray myself, just for the evening out!
no audience in an off tv bottom of the bill

if it was murray khan it would have been on tv, british cameras would have made sure of that

FinitoLopez · Post by **FinitoLopez** » 05 May 2007, 19:48

Hmmm... I guess I see what your saying. So to add to this does PBF get more respect from you guys by dissing fighters he has beaten or is going to fight (as in ODLH)? I'm not sure if that is what you meant but I see what your saying. If Khan badmouthes a guy saying he can easily beat him and then doesn't take the fight on short notice after destroying easy competition and still being completely fine to fight he should move aside. Good point. Thanks.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 May 2007, 20:05

Murray won in 7, O'Donnel lost in 1.

FinitoLopez · Post by **FinitoLopez** » 05 May 2007, 20:07

Heh, beat me to it. I was about to post it, though I thought O'Donnell got knocked out in the 2nd. Anyone seeing this guy doing anything good on world or the national level. Also why did it take Murray 7 rounds to dispose of a guy like Brethea. Does he have light hands?

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 05 May 2007, 20:11

Makes a laughing stock of all those stupid Hennessy Sports press releases. The only people who are going to see them is boxing fans and we all know O'Donnell isn't a future star. He's got some nice skills, but no power and without that it's hard to go anywhere in boxing.

states · Post by **states** » 05 May 2007, 20:30

Firstly: Maybe the Author/Mods want to put this thread down as a spoiler, just in case the fights are shown on SKy.

Hmm. Without seeing the fight, it's hard to say what happened with O'Donnell. Maybe he just got caught cold? However, whilst I'm surprised he's lost, I'm not entirely shocked. I know it sounds like I'm being wise after the event, but watching the Elwell fight, O'Donnell hardly looked like a superstar there.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 05 May 2007, 20:41

wildwaylon wrote:
Grilling Machine wrote:
Cannibal wrote:Even if Khan goes onto being a genuine world level operator, he probably wouldn't reach anything approaching that kind of audience and exposure.
It's incredible that any prospect would turn down such an occasion.

I'd fight Murray myself, just for the evening out!
Froch is supposed to have turned down fighting Calzaghe because the money offered was derisory - The trouble with fighters who have massive egos is they cant see fights like these as an investment for the future - Take a poor payday or fight well down the undercard and if you do win you can make sqillions out of beating big name opponents - Khan beating Murray would I think be more of a test than Willie Limond and do him loads of good and credibility - As you say the audience is massive and also American so that would put him on the world stage overnight.

My understanding is that Froch turned down the fight because Warren wasn't willing to do it without options on future fights. That is fair enough because I can see why someone wouldn't want constant rematches and fights with Warren fighters if they should win a fight.

Don't know if I have seen murry fight but a big thing about fighting there is a lot of industry people (IE HBO execs and boxing press etc) over in the states whould have got him on there radar having won by KO and with a tough record so in terms of carrer development thats good for him if he has got it.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 06 May 2007, 00:41

good thing about Hennessey fighters is that they're willing to travel for experience. Remember Witter winning a WBC elim in America vs hard nut N'dou? Would Warren have any part of that kind of thing?

also, they appear willing to cooperate with Warren fighters but what can you do, Warren always wants the options.