ODLH V PBF - RESULT

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 06 May 2007, 07:15

Ben Carey wrote:
A good engaging, fight and De La Hoya's tactics were excellent. Regardless of whether you think Mayweather won, it was a disappointing performance from Boxing's supposed pound-for-pound number 1.

Yeah cos I guess the p4p number one is supposed to KO everyone in the first round. Mayweather did what he had to. As I said elsewhere, the only guys that thought DLH won are those English pub guys who think volume of punches >>>> accuracy.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 06 May 2007, 07:19

wildwaylon wrote:Mayweather by 2 rnds but i was bloody tired and must have had a gallon of beer so I may have it a bit wrong - Anyway I enjoyed it, good fight - DLH lost pace towards the end which put Mayweather ahead on points.

that's how i had it.

oscar's late fade cost him.

floyd just poked and prodded out the win over the last 4 rds.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 06 May 2007, 07:20

Southpaw Stylist wrote:
Ben Carey wrote:
A good engaging, fight and De La Hoya's tactics were excellent. Regardless of whether you think Mayweather won, it was a disappointing performance from Boxing's supposed pound-for-pound number 1.
Yeah cos I guess the p4p number one is supposed to KO everyone in the first round. Mayweather did what he had to. As I said elsewhere, the only guys that thought DLH won are those English pub guys who think volume of punches >>>> accuracy.

he just about turned it round though.

so i can understand the criticism.

last night didn't convince me he could beat some of the other top boys out there.

but it don't look like were gonna find out.

The Blade · Post by **The Blade** » 06 May 2007, 07:40

PompeyScot wrote:
E wrote:
E wrote:I thought De la H won. He landed a lot of hard body shots, don't discount thta...
Oh and Oscar blocked a lot of Mayweather's shots....
....but not enough. Courtesy of the current scene, here are the punch stats. I think these show how effective Mayweather actually was.

Total Punches:
PBF:
L: 207
T: 481
Pct. 43%

DLH:
L: 122
T: 587
Pct. 21%

Power Punches:
PBF:
L: 138
T: 241
Pct. 57%

DLH:
L: 82
T: 341
Pct. 24%

With the greatest of respect, punch stats are bollox. They give no more than a guide.

PompeyScot · Post by **PompeyScot** » 06 May 2007, 07:49

The Blade wrote:
PompeyScot wrote:
E wrote: Oh and Oscar blocked a lot of Mayweather's shots....
....but not enough. Courtesy of the current scene, here are the punch stats. I think these show how effective Mayweather actually was.

Total Punches:
PBF:
L: 207
T: 481
Pct. 43%

DLH:
L: 122
T: 587
Pct. 21%

Power Punches:
PBF:
L: 138
T: 241
Pct. 57%

DLH:
L: 82
T: 341
Pct. 24%
With the greatest of respect, punch stats are bollox. They give no more than a guide.

With equal respect, that's the reason I posted them, as a guide. They weren't meant to show proof that Mayweather won the fight clearly, they're there to show those posters who think that all Mayweather did was run that that wasn't really the case.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 06 May 2007, 10:11

I will just cut and paste what i said in a previous post as i cant be bothered re-writing it

The main problem for DLH was stamina, he is 34 and old, he was knackered after round 6 but kept plodding in though visibly tired, through 10-12 he had nothing like i expected he wouldn't. Remember the way he tired late on against Mosley in the rematch down the stretch? What was to indicate it would be any different 4 or so years on.

DLH was effective when he closed the range and made Mayweather work, he needed to be either in our out of range, throwing punches when in and stalking when out. As he tired he was in range but not throwing which gave Mayweather opportunities to pick him off, which he obliged. One thing i would say is i was impressed by DLH's defence, the commentators were right he blocked and parried an awful lot in the early stages of the fight. Do you think Jim Watt enjoyed his "10 second bursts strategy?" after all he never shut up about it :) Only teasing Jim.

Mayweather hanging up his gloves makes absolutely no sense at all to me. He is clearly in his prime.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 May 2007, 10:59

A very hard fight to score, a lot of Oscar's work was scrappy, with cuffing shots and blows not landing cleanly.

Floyd didn't do a great deal in many of the rounds, but consistently landed the cleaner, more accurate punches, it was clear that Oscar was having a hard time landing meaningful shots.

I was rooting for Oscar, and after 5 rounds, I thought he was in with a good chance of winning, but I think the right man won.

10 - 9 Floyd
9 - 10 Oscar
10 -10 (this was very close, if anyone's round, it was oscars.
9 - 10 Oscar
10 - 9 Floyd
10 - 9 Floyd
9 - 10 Oscar
9 - 10 Oscar (I have Oscar one up by this point)
10 -9 floyd
10 - 9 Floyd
10 - 9 Floyd
10 - 9 Floyd

116- 113 Floyd

Whether or not floyd did much in a lof of those rounds, his cleaner punching nicked an awful lot of close rounds.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 06 May 2007, 11:17

Close fight and I had it to De La Hoya by a round...

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 06 May 2007, 11:28

117-111 Mayweather - Not even close I think everyone here is being influenced by Jim Watt calling Delahoya punches that didn't land and believing the 'Mayweather isn't landing any of those shots' urm yes he did its Delahoya that threw 6punch combinations and couldn't land 1 of them.

The punch stats show Mayweather landed nearly twice as many power punches compared to Delahoya. Having said this I can see 3 rounds I scored to Mayweather going to Delahoya if you scored some of Delahoyas scuffing shots. BUT NOT LANDING PUNCHES DOESN'T COUNT

A great fight, maybe it was the tension but Mayweather hasn't been pushed to perform like this before and Delahoya hasn't needed to hunt his man like this.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 06 May 2007, 11:50

I wasn't keeping count, but my general perception was that Mayweather stole it in the last three rounds. I reckon I had it roughly even going into the last, the same as Jim Watt. If De La Hoya hadn't taken a couple of rounds off earlier in the fight he probably would have won it.

Grehan123 · Post by **Grehan123** » 06 May 2007, 13:35

stujones wrote:I had it a draw - 6 rounds a piece, but I do think if you had to give it to anyone then the right man won. Mayweather won his rounds big.

Just to clarify my card.
1 - Floyd
2 - DLH
3 - DLH
4 - DLH
5 - Floyd
6 - Floyd
7 - DLH
8 - DLH
9 - DLH
10 - Floyd
11 - Floyd
12 - Floyd.

DLH "famous" fade, which I think only truly occured in this fight - cost him a definate win IMO. But he still drew on my card.

How much did HBO have Floyd up by in the end. Did I here right that Ian Darke claimed that US TV had Floyd up by 5 at the end of the 9th.... Thats astonishing.

I think 1, 10, 11, 12 were definate Floyd Rounds.

2, 3, 4 were definate DLH rounds.

I don't know what this did to each fighters reputation/legacy. Probably ASSISTED DLH more than Floyd's, cause DLH was proving as good (in different ways) to Floyd untill the 34 year old legs started to catch up.

Certainly when both have retired and we asked who would win a prime for prime fight at 140 between the two. I think more would say DLH than would have before this fight.

One thing I also thought was... I'm going to the bookies to lay some cash on Judah to beat Cotto. Mayweather was very accurate (which obviously helped) but also popped with some power. Judah took Mayweather's punches better than DLH.

It was draw on my card too. I had 114-114. I though rounds 4 and 5 were close and could've been give either way

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 May 2007, 13:58

For me, heart said DLH, (115-113 like the judge) but head said draw. i fail to see the wider PBF score but then im not a judge so....

not a bad fight but i would not watch it again - i just said to my pal if it were Gatti-Ward on one channel and DLH-PBF on channel two, i will watch gatti-ward.

not a classic. i know they cant all be, but was ever a fight such an anti-climax? i think DLH had the right game plan but if he had been fitter/younger he would have out the result he wanted (and IMO deserved) but as the man above said, cest la vie

nice to see PBF is still a bad winner. thats one reason i dont want to see him lose because can you IMAGINE the noise that will ensue?

and if he does retire, i agree with the poster above who said that we will never know if he could have done any more. Mosley perhaps? LOL Jermain TAYLOR the way he is going.....

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 06 May 2007, 16:08

I had DLH 115-113, had him 5-1 up one stage but Mayweather came 'storming' back to 5-4 before Oscar pulled out the last IMO.

But with those close fights they can always go either way.

Strongly fancy a rematch.

Enjoyed the fight though, compelling viewing. You felt either one of them could really take the upper hand if they really went for it.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 06 May 2007, 18:10

For me, heart said DLH, (115-113 like the judge) but head said draw. i fail to see the wider PBF score but then im not a judge so.... Quote from Mikee
No, niether am I but when you hear the scores from some judges they seem to have seen a different fight to the rest of us - OK fair enough some rounds can be so close you can understand the judge going either way - The problem is when you get a wide margin between the scores after a fight so close in fairness it should have been a draw or a win by maybe a round - There have been so many occasions through the years when fighters who have clearly won were declared the loser - Judges can ruin boxers careers with bad decisions - A loss for some fighters can mean no way back - For others, perhaps a set back of say two years at a time in their career where they they cant afford to have to rebuild again - It upsets us to see rediculous results but it must be heartbreaking and soul destroying for the fighter who knows he has won and has to face the consequences of getting the loss.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 06 May 2007, 18:34

Oscar by a round but a very close fight..as previously stated a younger Oscar would have had him

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 06 May 2007, 18:48

Judging by the reaction of the posters - I think that my initial assumption post fight that DLH even though still holds this apparent record of never winning a super fight (how Mosley was a "Super Fight" and Pernell Whittikar, Ike Quartey etc wasn't I dont know) his reputation has probably enhanced a fair amount.... and Floyd, even though I tipped Oscar to win, reputation has gone down.

Fight went alot different to how I expected. Floyd is the better boxer, but in a different way Oscar out boxed (though outworking) Floyd for large sections of the fight. The size differential actually didn't play any role. I don't think DLH hurt Mayweather at all but the smaller guy hurt Oscar. You have to question though Oscar's own durability at 154. He was hurt badly vs Mosley (and not hurt by him at 147), he was hurt vs Vargas, he was momentarily a little hurt vs Mayorga and now Mayweather. Maybe we all overated this size difference.

But the new debate is.... who would win at 140 - Floyd of two years back, or Oscar in 1998. Before last night, and even had Oscar KO'd Floyd I probably still would have said Floyd relatively easy. Now I think differently.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 06 May 2007, 18:50

Mayweather Snr thinks Oscar beat his son, or did I dream that!! - Too much beer, too little sleep - Whats real, what isnt!!

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 06 May 2007, 18:54

wildwaylon wrote:Mayweather Snr thinks Oscar beat his son, or did I dream that!! - Too much beer, too little sleep - Whats real, what isnt!!

I think Floyd has too much beer... He did say that, and I'm not saying he is wrong - but did anyone understand a word he said in the Ray Bautista fight.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 06 May 2007, 18:59

Mayweather needed to win this fight big and in style to get hs name up there with the Fab 5 of the modern era, his tepid performance against a class yet ageing Oscar will be seen for what it is, a questionable decision against a guy past his prime...

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 06 May 2007, 20:47

I thought de la hoya just won, but I understand how mayweather got the decision. I would like to see Mayweather v cotto next or Mosley. I think a few light middleweights would beat him now he not a natural at that weight. If he fought omua or Karmzin I thin k he could lose.

chevychase · Post by **chevychase** » 07 May 2007, 06:53

verballistic wrote:
chevychase wrote:I was watching with the sound off and had De la Hoya winning by 3 rounds.

Mayweather did not do enough to win the fight,he had a great last 3 rounds but come on he did nothing much before then.
you are CLEARLY best off with the sound left ON, since even the 3 stooges of HBO commentary know WAY more about boxing than you do!!

perhaps that is your problem...you have watched too many fights with the sound off and never learned how to SCORE a fight!!

I was just posting my opinion on the fight..you don't need to act like a child about it.
Been watching boxing all my life,could not care if you think i know little about boxing i'm not going to try to prove anything to you.
some sad people about.

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 07 May 2007, 06:58

I am in Oz and just got to see the fight

I had it a draw ( with it going one round either way depending on how you judged a couple of rounds )

probably better for boxing to have PBF win it than DLH, but I don't thnk either of them came out of it covered in glory

Slapsie

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 07 May 2007, 07:25

I had Oscar just winning by a rnd or two...but as said a few rnds were close enough to be marked either way depending how you score a fight.

But Mayweather `stole` the fight, rather than won it...no way can he be seriously regarded as the best Lt-middle...same as he couldn`t be regarded as the best welter or arguably the best lt-welter when he picked those belts up also.

Not sure where he`ll stand in a list of the all-time greats...he`s very good no doubt...just not sure about great..

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 08 May 2007, 07:02

Think the only thing clear was that PBF was fighting around 2 weight divisions above his best weight.

By rights, Oscar really should have flattened him, he was that much bigger.

I think he connected a few times, and Floyd must have a pretty amazing chin - just look at the effect Oscar's punch had on a rock solid welter like Mayorga.

Not a great fight, but it was never gonna be - it was a bit like Duran moving up to take on Hagler: well out of his weight division, but classy enough to hold his own. Though I made Floyd a close winner.

Could have been a draw I guess. Rematch? No thanks.

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 08 May 2007, 10:27

I had it a draw, but before I totted my card up, thought that Oscar had done enough.

Good, absorbing fight, for me, owed to De La Hoya's willingness to press the action for most of the fight. DLH's hand speed was superb.

Excellent promotion, the other two 12 rounders screened on the live transmission were excellent fights too. The superbantam bout in particilar was really enjoyable.

Thumbs up all round