DLH approach makes me think Hatton has a chance.

[stujones]

I don't give Cotto much of a chance. He is well schooled, but in his own way. He's not great at cutting down the ring (remember Malignaggi) and hasn't got the fastest of hands.

Cotto would beat (easily) the likes of Margarito - but will always struggle vs movers and elusive targets. I think Floyd makes mince meat out of him.

I'd give Hatton more of a chance than Cotto vs Floyd..... but I do think Hatton's defensive problems, plus a lack of a great jab (at this level) would let him down.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Mayweather/DLH generated 19 mill off of 16,500 seats. A fight in Wembley could potentially hold 100,000 which I think if pulled off would make it the biggest live gate of all time which would make ridiculous money without even factoring in any PPV.

On the PPV end, HBO will def cover it. Sky Box Office would pick it up and just about every boxing friendly nation would want rights to broadcast.

So, in my view if held in a British super venue, it would actually make far more than any Vegas bill that doesn't actually have any real fans, only celebrities and corporates who pay over the odds for tickets just to say they were there.

No way Mayweather-Hatton sells 100,000 tickets here. Mayweathers an unknown here outside of the hardcore boxing fan. The most Hatton has sold was 20k tickets.

Even if they sold that amount of tickets it wouldn't make the $19.5m that the Delahoya fight gate made. BUT THEY WON't SELL THAT AMOUNT OF TICKETS!!!

Anyway whos going to organise and push for it? Team Hatton aren't going to beg Mayweather to come here after turning him down 5 times. Fight Academy don't have the promotional ability to pull it off either.

This fight will never happen, Team Hatton had their chance to make the fight and didnt want it. Now they've lost their chance

Mayweather an unknown? This is the guy who's been on every news station and newspaper in the build up to the DLH fight. I think it'd be a fair guess to say even non boxing know who he is now if they ingest any form of sports news at all. Even if they don't, it only takes a marketing push as the man who beat DLH to remind everyone of his stature.

The reason Hatton has never sold more than 20k is because he has never tried. He even got 20k fighting bums sometimes. Hell, even Calzaghe managed 35k against Manfredo! and is aiming for more than that if lands a fight like Taylor, and Hatton is far more marketable than Calzaghe is.

So, you've got the front row celebrities who normally turn up for mega fights and pay big bucks, at the very least 35k of Hatton fans, add another few thousand of boxing fans in the UK who will only pay to see Hatton in the big fights, more fans in Europe who will make the effort to travel from Ireland, Germany or wherever. Then you have Americans who turn out to see Mayweather and casuals/non fans who turn out because of media hype of the biggest fight every to happen on British soil, and then you have corporate seats and what not and pretty soon with that and other factors, you're getting pretty close to 100k.

Edit: Oh, and the British pound is far stronger than the dollar so I think on the break down of things, it would smoke the DLH gate.

Your not basing this on any facts are you? Its wishful thinking. Why do you think Hatton wants to fight Castillo/Urango in the states - theres more money there and he and Fight Acamdey knows it.

If Hatton could sell more than 20k here he would, he couldn't get more than 20k fighting Tyszu who was big name.

Ask your average man in the street who Mayweather is and they won't know.

No American celebrities would come to Britain to watch a fight. The British site fee would cost a load of cash, in Las Vegas they pay to have the fight so they get the gambling monies.

Calazage-Manfredo would have probably made less than £2m, the tickets cost afraction of the price of Las Vegas tickets

Anyway Mayweathers retired and isnt coming out of retirement to come all the way over here and fight Hatton whos doesn't want the fight. Yes thats right Hatton doesnt want the fight, thats why they've turned it down 5 times and said they may take it if they were offered $12m guaranteed - Mayweather only made $10m guaranteed against Delahoya.

[Cannibal]

I'm not debating whether the fight is possible or not, I'm not even debating if Hatton would win (55-45 in Mayweathers favour in my mind)I'm debating whether Hatton would be able to bring that crowd and money to the table, which he would.

He only got 20k vs Tszyu because he did it in the M.E.N which is the best venue in Manchester without stepping up to stadiums. I also think Warren signed a 10 fight deal with that venue, thinking he had Hatton tied up before that fight. If Hatton did a stadium show now, he'd sell it out. If Muse can sell out Wembley for 2 nights, then Hatton/Mayweather could do it for one.

Hatton has gone to Vegas because that's where the big fights are. There is a wrong perception that a fight has to happen in America for it to be a big fight.

As for celebrities. There was a fair few at Hatton/Tszyu. Who says that the celebrities have to be American? A lot of major Hollywood actors come from the UK or Ireland these days anyway as well as some pretty big music stars.

[WildWaylon]

No wonder team Hatton are not keen to take a fight with Mayweather - The and 0 would definately go - Rather than convince me DLHs performance shows Hatton has a chance , I would say the exact opposite applies - DLH has far better defense than Hatton yet Mayweather got through it and landed clean punch after clean punch - Hatton would be chasing Mayweather just as DLH was, but the main difference would be even more punches landing on Hatton than did on DLH - Sorry but as good as Ricky is Mayweather is better and I dont fancy his chances - As for the arguement only America can put on the biggest fights because of the money factor, I disagree - The right fight can make the money here - As long as one of the fighters is a top name American such as Mayweather, Taylor or Hopkins - The stars and big business people will travel for a really big event and so will fans from Europe - The tickets will sell but its TV rights where the really big money is.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The converse to that argument of course, is that Ricky would be nowhere near as tentative as Oscar. I do believe Hatton has a good chance. His workrate, and the fact he would have Mayweather in retreat for large portions of the fight would give him a bloody good chance of winning a decision.

Oscar almost won, by throwing about a quarter (if that) of the number of punches that Hatton throws in a fight.

Of course, maybe Hatton would become tentative by being made to miss continually, but lest we forget, Castillo threw plenty of shots at Mayweather in both their contests.

I'd at least like to find out by seeing them fight, but I doubt Mayweather is interested in anything other than a mega-payday against Oscar, a fight he will win again now that he knows the judges favour his style.

[Tantum]

Oscar almost won, by throwing about a quarter (if that) of the number of punches that Hatton throws in a fight.

Wow, I was unaware that Hatton was throwing 200+ punches a round... I ought to watch more of this bloke's fights... He must have some serious stamina!

[jamesmcdonnell]

I will take that as a facetious comment. There is absolutely no doubt that Hatton maintains a far busier workrate than DLH displayed over the course of that fight. After round 8, Oscar couldn't maintain more than a 10 second burst at a time. In most of Ricky's fights, he fights every minute of every round, and therein lies the big difference in fighting a 34 year old inactive DLH and a peak fitness Hatton.

I am not saying Hatton would beat Mayweather, I simply don't know whether Hatton would be able to impose his style on Floyd successfully or not, but there is certainly more than an outside chance that Hatton's higher octane style would present problems which Floyd Jr. has not faced since he fought Castillo.

[Tantum]

Hatton and "Peak fitness" should not be in the same sentence.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Oscar almost won, by throwing about a quarter (if that) of the number of punches that Hatton throws in a fight.

Wow, I was unaware that Hatton was throwing 200+ punches a round... I ought to watch more of this bloke's fights... He must have some serious stamina!

Punchstats show Oscar threw 587 Punches against Mayweather and landed 21% of them

According to hitman_hatton1 Hatton against Tackie I think it was threw around 600 punches. I'm not 100% on that and am open to correction. BUT Hattons punchrate/engine has gone down drastically as he isn't in his prime anymore. I don't think he'll throw more punches than Oscar or connect more.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hatton Tackie is not a brilliant example, as Hatton (like just about everyone who fought Tackie), fought off the back foot, trying to advance slowly and take the fight from Tackie.

Oscar barely threw anything through rounds 9-12, and many of those shots on the punch stats are bollocks, Oscar was pawing with shots a lot of the time.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

But do we have punchstats for any Hatton fights though? It would be interesting to compare earlier fights with his past few too.

Remember Hatton himself could well get discouraged against Mayweather, if hes getting hit with very clean counters.

1 interesting thing to think of is Chavez threw 100-120 punches around against Mayweather before been stopped late on. I gave Chavez quite allot of rounds - about 5 I think. Real Henry Armstrong stuff, I think Chavez in his prime is pretty underated. He may have beat Morales if he didn't dislocate his shoulder. I don't hold any loss after the Levander Johnson fight against Chavez - no fighter would be the same after that.

Hatton in 2005 stood a decent chance against Mayweather, now the form book has switched heavily to Mayweather.

[jamesmcdonnell]

But do we have punchstats for any Hatton fights though? It would be interesting to compare earlier fights with his past few too.

Remember Hatton himself could well get discouraged against Mayweather, if hes getting hit with very clean counters.

1 interesting thing to think of is Chavez threw 100-120 punches around against Mayweather before been stopped late on. I gave Chavez quite allot of rounds - about 5 I think. Real Henry Armstrong stuff, I think Chavez in his prime is pretty underated. He may have beat Morales if he didn't dislocate his shoulder. I don't hold any loss after the Levander Johnson fight against Chavez - no fighter would be the same after that.

Hatton in 2005 stood a decent chance against Mayweather, now the form book has switched heavily to Mayweather.

I did say that Hatton may well get discouraged by Mayweather, whose punching is not devastating, but like Ray Leonard's accurate enough to make anyone think twice about walking through him.

It will be interesting to see Hatton's work rate against Castillo, we may be writing him off prematurely. However, if yet again, Hatton looks sluggish in there, then I think all the signs point to him being in premature decline.

[Ezzard]

The converse to that argument of course, is that Ricky would be nowhere near as tentative as Oscar. I do believe Hatton has a good chance. His workrate, and the fact he would have Mayweather in retreat for large portions of the fight would give him a bloody good chance of winning a decision.

Oscar almost won, by throwing about a quarter (if that) of the number of punches that Hatton throws in a fight.

Of course, maybe Hatton would become tentative by being made to miss continually, but lest we forget, Castillo threw plenty of shots at Mayweather in both their contests.

I'd at least like to find out by seeing them fight, but I doubt Mayweather is interested in anything other than a mega-payday against Oscar, a fight he will win again now that he knows the judges favour his style.

I totally agree...

I gave Hatton little or no chance before the DLH fight. Now I'm not so sure. If Hatton has the stamina to work at a high punch rate for 8-9 rounds and is durable enough to take what he's receiving then he could win a decision. How far he has declined is another matter.

[jamesmcdonnell]

One thing Oscar did not do anywhere enough of is attack the body. Against a counterpuncher like Floyd who likes to dictate distance, that has to be the way forward.

At one point in the middle rounds, Oscar was jabbing Floyd to the chest, and this was proving very effective, as Floyd couldn't really block the shots, as he was guarding either ribs or head.

You don't see many fighters punching to the pit of the stomach, the heart and the chest and shoulders these days, but I think against Floyd it would prove very effective, as it allows you to get a solid scoring connect, and to push him off balance, making it hard for him to counter.

Hatton's problem is his short reach, but he would be well advised to use the sort of 'centreline' punching they teach in some martial arts, ensuring he is consistently making contact with Floyd and pushinig him off balance. Without his balance, it's going to be near on impossible for Floyd to dictate the range, or to potshot.

Oscar was unable to maintain a workrate to keep floyd negative, and every little lull that Oscar had, allowed Floyd to work at his own pace.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

But do we have punchstats for any Hatton fights though? It would be interesting to compare earlier fights with his past few too.

Remember Hatton himself could well get discouraged against Mayweather, if hes getting hit with very clean counters.

1 interesting thing to think of is Chavez threw 100-120 punches around against Mayweather before been stopped late on. I gave Chavez quite allot of rounds - about 5 I think. Real Henry Armstrong stuff, I think Chavez in his prime is pretty underated. He may have beat Morales if he didn't dislocate his shoulder. I don't hold any loss after the Levander Johnson fight against Chavez - no fighter would be the same after that.

Hatton in 2005 stood a decent chance against Mayweather, now the form book has switched heavily to Mayweather.

I did say that Hatton may well get discouraged by Mayweather, whose punching is not devastating, but like Ray Leonard's accurate enough to make anyone think twice about walking through him.

It will be interesting to see Hatton's work rate against Castillo, we may be writing him off prematurely. However, if yet again, Hatton looks sluggish in there, then I think all the signs point to him being in premature decline.

I also thought its a possibility I may have called him past his prime prematurely. He may need to be able to 'get up' for his opponent to put in the hard training now. If he can't take himself to hell and back in training anymore though for the likes of Castillo though 'stick a fork in him' as they say on the current scene

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

One thing Oscar did not do anywhere enough of is attack the body. Against a counterpuncher like Floyd who likes to dictate distance, that has to be the way forward..

He did early, thought Oscar was been pretty dirty holding and hitting. And the early bodyshots did have an effet on Floyd. I think he hurt Floyd to the body early. But throwing left hooks to the body leaves you exposed to counter rights, which is something

Castillo put the best pattern to make Floyd struggle. Throw 3 jabs inside and cut off the ring, get close and throw short compact shots to the head and body. Castillo is a very good technician in close and has BIG 1 punch power, a better technician and 1 punch power than Hatton imo. Although I think Hatton should beat him

The problem with left hooks to the body though is it opens you up to Floyds right hand counters.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes, this is true.

Hatton has one underrated characteristic, or at least used to, which is very good foot work, I used to marvel at the way he could close the gap, and work the angles, something I have to say, I've not seen since the Tackie fight onward, since then, Hatton seems to have taken to marching forward and plowing into his opponents, so perhaps we've seen the last of this.

If you can keep a fighter off balance by staying on them throwing short sharp shots, and not giving them space to get leverage on their punches, then you don't need to worry about the counters much, because there is no power in them.

[TerribleTerry]

Check out the link below - its PBF on the Jay Leno show discussing his win over DLH..

He comes over really well as both articulate and generous with his praise. It goes to show somewhat that his image as a bad boy may well owe in part to a marketing strategy:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xfvf_lenomaywether

[stujones]

Check out the link below - its PBF on the Jay Leno show discussing his win over DLH..

He comes over really well as both articulate and generous with his praise. It goes to show somewhat that his image as a bad boy may well owe in part to a marketing strategy:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xfvf_lenomaywether

Very good clip.... Mayweather seemed very mature, much better than in his spats with Brian Kenny.

Already in rematch talk.... I think rubbishing the closeness of the fight (as he did post fight) would have done a little bit (not much) of damage to market the fight. But by suggesting that DLH took him to the brink (and not suggesting he faded), makes alot of people more interested in seeing if DLH can go slightly better next time.

Nice interview Floyd, came across well and drummed up DLH vs Floyd 2 a treat.

[Cannibal]

Yes, this is true.

Hatton has one underrated characteristic, or at least used to, which is very good foot work, I used to marvel at the way he could close the gap, and work the angles, something I have to say, I've not seen since the Tackie fight onward, since then, Hatton seems to have taken to marching forward and plowing into his opponents, so perhaps we've seen the last of this.

If you can keep a fighter off balance by staying on them throwing short sharp shots, and not giving them space to get leverage on their punches, then you don't need to worry about the counters much, because there is no power in them.

The firsts few round of the Urango fight, his footwork was a thing of beauty. He whipped in his shots while constantly moving around Urango, then he started to run out of steam about mid way and went with the plough forward method

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes, perhaps the deterioration in his footwork is a stamina issue rather than anything else. You need to have a lot of gas to keep moving around an opponent like that constantly.