I find it hard to believe that allegedly wouldn't shit himself and insist on options, in the same way that he did when Haye and Enzo nearly got it on.boxingchat wrote:Carl was offered the fight £250k with no options and he said no - Enough said.
I wonder If the options thing Is just an excuse to use when the other guys say no though or want to back sometimes.Chambers2 wrote:I find it hard to believe that allegedly wouldn't shit himself and insist on options, in the same way that he did when Haye and Enzo nearly got it on.boxingchat wrote:Carl was offered the fight £250k with no options and he said no - Enough said.
Mick Hennessey offered JC the fight and they evaluated the fight alot higher than SN - Enough said.
Carl Smokes his Boots
Well, Mick Hennessy tried to get a definitive answer regards options on Froch when Warren made the offer and, last time I saw him comment on it, he hadn't had a reply, so I think the query about options is a valid one.Tsukiyomi wrote:I wonder If the options thing Is just an excuse to use when the other guys say no though or want to back sometimes.Chambers2 wrote:I find it hard to believe that allegedly wouldn't shit himself and insist on options, in the same way that he did when Haye and Enzo nearly got it on.boxingchat wrote:Carl was offered the fight £250k with no options and he said no - Enough said.
Mick Hennessey offered JC the fight and they evaluated the fight alot higher than SN - Enough said.
Carl Smokes his Boots
How can this option excuse be used so much and why Is It only used when a fights trying to be made with Calzaghe?
Sometimes It's like some posters views of Warren makes the options excuse believable to themselves.
Warren insisted on options on Haye if he beat Enzo, which scuppered the fight. Its FW's way of getting out of a fight that he thinks his fighter may well lose and it puts himself in a no lose situation, if Enzo wins all is good for FW, if Haye wins FW gets an excellent new fighter and all is good.PompeyScot wrote:Well, Mick Hennessy tried to get a definitive answer regards options on Froch when Warren made the offer and, last time I saw him comment on it, he hadn't had a reply, so I think the query about options is a valid one.Tsukiyomi wrote:I wonder If the options thing Is just an excuse to use when the other guys say no though or want to back sometimes.Chambers2 wrote: I find it hard to believe that allegedly wouldn't shit himself and insist on options, in the same way that he did when Haye and Enzo nearly got it on.
Mick Hennessey offered JC the fight and they evaluated the fight alot higher than SN - Enough said.
Carl Smokes his Boots
How can this option excuse be used so much and why Is It only used when a fights trying to be made with Calzaghe?
Sometimes It's like some posters views of Warren makes the options excuse believable to themselves.
Froch is very much a threat. Alot more of a threat than Manfredo, Bika an Ashira. If it's true SN wanting options I can see why, Froch could prove very dangerous for Calzaghe. I myself would pick Calzaghe if it came down to it but it certainly would not be a formality.Tsukiyomi wrote: I coud see Haye beating Enzo so I could understand that but Froch wouldn't stand a chance.
And this history Is where?Chambers2 wrote:Yes, history.Tsukiyomi wrote:And do you have any proof for your FW claims?
Do you have any proof that Warren didn't want options on Carl, because last I heard Mick Hennessey was looking for clarification of the offer from Frank, which wasn't forthcoming
What a weak excuse when I defend a few points that SN do that I agree with.Captain Hook wrote:Does this guy work for SN? Do you work for SN?
you must...
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You sounded like It when you overreacted about my opinion. Disagreeing Is one thing but members like Ben K just resort to saying things like does this guy work for FW.Captain Hook wrote:sensitive?
I just asked if you worked for SN because you're so pro Calzaghe and pro FW..
and anti Froch. He'd give JC a fight, more so than Lacey and Manfredo. That's all we're saying.
It doesn't bother me mate your opinion is your opinion.
PS "Sensitive" is writing little sad and smiley faces next to your posts :( :)
Don't worry about it....
His workrate showed Froch can be uncomfortable when the aggressor can put on a high workrate.Terry D wrote:Dodson did not trouble Froch Max. Carl tucked-up then tucked him away.
I don't think Magee troubled Froch massively. Froch loses rounds yet mostly looks in control of how, when and why he will lose a round.
Froch's biggest problem is that he is susceptible to getting hit and when he does get hit it is often straight down the middle and right on the kisser. There have been a few fights where his head has been bounced back.
Will Calzaghe beat him? Yes. Will Calzaghe KO him? Calzaghe has not properly KO'd anyone for years, they've brought over middleweights for him to knock over and he has not done it so they finally got him a light-middle (a fairly shit one at that despite, or evidenced by, his reality TV loss) to knock over and he finished the fight trying to karate chop him on the back of the head until the ref prematurely stopped in. Plus he broke his hand doing that and was advised to retire.
Joe throws a lot of shots, he has speedy hands and good movement but how often does he catch a guy right on the chin? He is not very accurate.
Joe can tell the TV crew "He won't be able to take the power!" but all it does is place unrealistic expectations on him. ITV, and Joe, built him up as a puncher and when he fails to show this it makes him look bad.
If, at this point we should say 'when they don't fight...', they fought Joe could probably win big by putting his shots right through the centre, unlike the Manfredo fight when his last few shots looked like he was trying to hit someone over the head with an invisible bottle.
Winning doesn't mean you didn't have any discomfort, a workrate can trouble Carl.Terry D wrote:It did no such thing. Froch covered then KO'd him. If flattening a guy in three is a sign of discomfort then fair play.Tsukiyomi wrote:His workrate showed Froch can be uncomfortable when the aggressor can put on a high workrate.Terry D wrote:Dodson did not trouble Froch Max. Carl tucked-up then tucked him away.
I don't think Magee troubled Froch massively. Froch loses rounds yet mostly looks in control of how, when and why he will lose a round.
Froch's biggest problem is that he is susceptible to getting hit and when he does get hit it is often straight down the middle and right on the kisser. There have been a few fights where his head has been bounced back.
Will Calzaghe beat him? Yes. Will Calzaghe KO him? Calzaghe has not properly KO'd anyone for years, they've brought over middleweights for him to knock over and he has not done it so they finally got him a light-middle (a fairly shit one at that despite, or evidenced by, his reality TV loss) to knock over and he finished the fight trying to karate chop him on the back of the head until the ref prematurely stopped in. Plus he broke his hand doing that and was advised to retire.
Joe throws a lot of shots, he has speedy hands and good movement but how often does he catch a guy right on the chin? He is not very accurate.
Joe can tell the TV crew "He won't be able to take the power!" but all it does is place unrealistic expectations on him. ITV, and Joe, built him up as a puncher and when he fails to show this it makes him look bad.
If, at this point we should say 'when they don't fight...', they fought Joe could probably win big by putting his shots right through the centre, unlike the Manfredo fight when his last few shots looked like he was trying to hit someone over the head with an invisible bottle.
I didn't say Joe would KO Carl, I mostly say It will be on points. It's possible he could get a stoppage overwhelming Carl though since his one pace and low guard would make It easy for Joe to back Carl to the ropes like Joe does with a lot of fighters.
Carl's last opponent used to be a Middleweight and Taylor's fighting two In a row when he fights Spink's so Joe's not the only one who does the fighting the smaller man thing.
Tatevosyan could of came In unprepared too as he was only coming off a beating from Bute too In less than two months after he fought Froch.
Manfredo's leagues below Joe but In my opinion he did show top 10 potential at Super Middleweight though. Joe still shouldn't of fought him though but theres not many to choose for him when Kessler had to fight Andrade and Taylor choosing Spinks.
He'd be accruate enough to hit Froch on the chin the way Carl's defence Is but Joe fights alot of guys shorter than him so no wonder he mostly hits them on the top of the head more than the chin.
Joe didn't break his hand either according to his site.
http://joecalzaghe.com/newsStory.asp?id=20
Taylor is fighting a smaller man. That cannot be denied. Taylro also took on the #1 fighter in his division as a green pro and then took on the man who supplanted the #1 in his very next fight. Taylor is the #1 in his division in only a few years.
Calzaghe is yet to reach undisputed #1 in his division despite a decade long title-reign.
The guy Froch KO'd was coming off a loss but was better than Manfredo. Manfredo is not very good. People tried to pretend he was but he was not.
Reports came out after the fight that he injured his hand hitting Manfredo. If it is not we are owed a Super fight the month after next according to SN. June or July. Who have they got? Or is the hand going to go leaving a gap until a fight in September?
Let me have a rethink, I might have predicted this one wrong hmmmm........ Yes I have FROCH KO9hitman_hatton1 wrote:it took him 11 rds to get to magee ffs.Chambers2 wrote:Froch Smokes Joes boots
Froch KO10
), but when JC loses it will tarnish his record.