I think Rademacher wins this award hands down.
Nobody can doubt his amateur achievements or take away from him his Olympic gold medal. But to compete for the World Heavyweight Title on your very 1st professional fight is ridiculous. How was this allowed to happen? Who ranked him? Sanctioned the fight? It was pathetic!
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Least deserving world title challenger?
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MEISINGER
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elmersalsa
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Maybe it was for a promotional stunt at the time. Patterson was not a popular champion at the time after he regained the heavy crown.'Rocket'Rigby wrote:I think Rademacher wins this award hands down.
Nobody can doubt his amateur achievements or take away from him his Olympic gold medal. But to compete for the World Heavyweight Title on your very 1st professional fight is ridiculous. How was this allowed to happen? Who ranked him? Sanctioned the fight? It was pathetic!
Rocket
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Thunder and Lightning
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Okay i must have missunderstood i took the way you wrote my screenname as if you were trying to be funny on my expense sorry abut that.Jaclem wrote:..thunder lightning....i agree with your comment and i don't understand why you think i don't. actually i WAS confirming your assessment of walcott's title shots and adding a little information as to how they came about.
..buzzy..i have enbough respect for your intelligence to assume that you are agreeing with me even when i don't understand you...
thunder and lightning....sorry my messing with your name caused the misunderstanding.....one of the things i do here is to play around with posters...both friends and foes names..and i have no idea why...just one of my little indulgences.
e.g. see first sentence on this post...
thunder and lightning....sorry my messing with your name caused the misunderstanding.....one of the things i do here is to play around with posters...both friends and foes names..and i have no idea why...just one of my little indulgences.
e.g. see first sentence on this post...
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BrocktonBlockbuster49
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..according to the new york boxing commission and most of the sports writers,at least in new york...one of the most undeserving was..ta dah...jersey joe walcott against joe louis.
THIS IS VERY LAUGHABLE, walcott deserved a title shot more than anyone in history. from 1945-47 jersey joe walcott wiped out the division beating 8 TOP TEN RANKED CONTENDERS incudling the 3 best heavyweights out there Lee Q murray, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray. walcott cleaned out the division totally and beat all the top dangerous contenders.
Many in the press at the time thought Walcott was a boring fighter, maybe this was a factor?BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
..according to the new york boxing commission and most of the sports writers,at least in new york...one of the most undeserving was..ta dah...jersey joe walcott against joe louis.
THIS IS VERY LAUGHABLE, walcott deserved a title shot more than anyone in history. from 1945-47 jersey joe walcott wiped out the division beating 8 TOP TEN RANKED CONTENDERS incudling the 3 best heavyweights out there Lee Q murray, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray. walcott cleaned out the division totally and beat all the top dangerous contenders.
I think the loss in '46 to Joey Maxim, a talented light heavyweight, but still a light heavyweight, tarnished Walcott's image with the press. That, and the fact that in two subsequent meetings he failed to stop Maxim and fought with little fire. The Murray fight in '45 was a DQ win for Walcott, and again he did not look impressive. Perception has a heavy impact on reality.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
..according to the new york boxing commission and most of the sports writers,at least in new york...one of the most undeserving was..ta dah...jersey joe walcott against joe louis.
THIS IS VERY LAUGHABLE, walcott deserved a title shot more than anyone in history. from 1945-47 jersey joe walcott wiped out the division beating 8 TOP TEN RANKED CONTENDERS incudling the 3 best heavyweights out there Lee Q murray, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray. walcott cleaned out the division totally and beat all the top dangerous contenders.
Still, he hardly deserves to be on a list of most undeserving contenders.
Cap
Many younger fans forget that before TV, satellite communications and the Internet, few followers of the squared circle actually saw that many boxers in action. You were pretty much limited to newsreel footage at the cinema, print coverage in newspapers, the Police Gazette, The Ring Magazine, etc. and occasional reports on radio. Sportswriters played a dominant role in forming the public image of fighters. They went to the fight, watched the action and created the fighters in the average fan's imaginatiion. New York City was the mecca of boxing and New York sportswriters were able to make and break fighters as gate attractions. If a fighter did poorly in the Big Apple he got panned by boxing scribes and bad news travelled fast even in the sticks.
When big Carl Morris debuted in New York and got plastered by Fireman Jim Flynn, the press came down on him like a ton of bricks, and it was years before he lived that debacle down.
Cap
When big Carl Morris debuted in New York and got plastered by Fireman Jim Flynn, the press came down on him like a ton of bricks, and it was years before he lived that debacle down.
Cap
..cap has a good summation of the attitude toward walcott pre-louis 1. one writer said walcott was" a peacfull old fellow, not prone to violence." this was also a reference to his age, which many thought was older than he claimed.
the one believer in walcott seemed to be walcott himself. i remember a radio interview shortly before the fight when he told how he had been tossed out of the louis camp as a trainer (I don't remember which fight it was) because he not only made louis look bad...but he also knocked him down. when the interviewer said louis didn't remember him, walcott said "When we get into the ring I'll make him remember me."
cap..just to clarify, the only reason walcott is on this thread is because i entered him on a post saying the boxing folks and the writers and even the boxing commission PERCEIVED him as unworthy challenger....not necessarily that he was.
i think it was because joe louis was overated at this point. he was still seen as the destroyer he was before going into the army. in his post army fights he easily outboxed billy conn before kayoing him with one punch, and recovered in an instant from a blow from tami mauriello that knocked him clear across the ring to let lose with a murderous barrage against tami in a one round knockout.
it took walcott's skill and masterful performance to be the first indicator of how far louis had gone back.
the one believer in walcott seemed to be walcott himself. i remember a radio interview shortly before the fight when he told how he had been tossed out of the louis camp as a trainer (I don't remember which fight it was) because he not only made louis look bad...but he also knocked him down. when the interviewer said louis didn't remember him, walcott said "When we get into the ring I'll make him remember me."
cap..just to clarify, the only reason walcott is on this thread is because i entered him on a post saying the boxing folks and the writers and even the boxing commission PERCEIVED him as unworthy challenger....not necessarily that he was.
i think it was because joe louis was overated at this point. he was still seen as the destroyer he was before going into the army. in his post army fights he easily outboxed billy conn before kayoing him with one punch, and recovered in an instant from a blow from tami mauriello that knocked him clear across the ring to let lose with a murderous barrage against tami in a one round knockout.
it took walcott's skill and masterful performance to be the first indicator of how far louis had gone back.
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