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Wales · Post by **Wales** » 21 May 2007, 08:25

Have to agree with Calzaghe being p4p the better all round fighter. Far too an intelligent boxer for Ricky to deal with.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 21 May 2007, 09:15

And Calzaghe's never boxed for an IBO title either? He refused to take Lacy's.

Calzaghe is by far the superior fighter in all aspects. Hatton would probably drink him under the table though so I'll give him that one, and he didn't even realise he wore shit shirts until someone told him!

Castillo is shot too IMO and he'll probably still beat Hatton. But if he doesn't it's hardly an earth shattering win for Hatton is it?

You all say Calzaghe MUST fight Kessler, which is maybe so but surely Hatton MUST fight Cotto or Witter too and at least Calzaghe and Kessler looks closer that Hatton/Cotto/Witter will ever be.

The Hatton myth is something that one day the wider audience will understand even his book was a pack of lies and that was proven in court.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 21 May 2007, 13:41

boxingchat wrote:And Calzaghe's never boxed for an IBO title either? He refused to take Lacy's.

Calzaghe is by far the superior fighter in all aspects. Hatton would probably drink him under the table though so I'll give him that one, and he didn't even realise he wore shit shirts until someone told him!

Castillo is shot too IMO and he'll probably still beat Hatton. But if he doesn't it's hardly an earth shattering win for Hatton is it?

You all say Calzaghe MUST fight Kessler, which is maybe so but surely Hatton MUST fight Cotto or Witter too and at least Calzaghe and Kessler looks closer that Hatton/Cotto/Witter will ever be.

The Hatton myth is something that one day the wider audience will understand even his book was a pack of lies and that was proven in court.

would that be your view if he was with his old promoter?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 21 May 2007, 14:14

boxingchat wrote:And Calzaghe's never boxed for an IBO title either? He refused to take Lacy's.

Calzaghe is by far the superior fighter in all aspects. Hatton would probably drink him under the table though so I'll give him that one, and he didn't even realise he wore shit shirts until someone told him!

Castillo is shot too IMO and he'll probably still beat Hatton. But if he doesn't it's hardly an earth shattering win for Hatton is it?

You all say Calzaghe MUST fight Kessler, which is maybe so but surely Hatton MUST fight Cotto or Witter too and at least Calzaghe and Kessler looks closer that Hatton/Cotto/Witter will ever be.

The Hatton myth is something that one day the wider audience will understand even his book was a pack of lies and that was proven in court.

But you guys were keen to cultivate a Hatton myth, when he was with SN, no?

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 22 May 2007, 05:36

Mikee wrote:
boxingchat wrote:And Calzaghe's never boxed for an IBO title either? He refused to take Lacy's.

Calzaghe is by far the superior fighter in all aspects. Hatton would probably drink him under the table though so I'll give him that one, and he didn't even realise he wore shit shirts until someone told him!

Castillo is shot too IMO and he'll probably still beat Hatton. But if he doesn't it's hardly an earth shattering win for Hatton is it?

You all say Calzaghe MUST fight Kessler, which is maybe so but surely Hatton MUST fight Cotto or Witter too and at least Calzaghe and Kessler looks closer that Hatton/Cotto/Witter will ever be.

The Hatton myth is something that one day the wider audience will understand even his book was a pack of lies and that was proven in court.
would that be your view if he was with his old promoter?

Yes it would, that's a fact.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 22 May 2007, 05:37

I believe Hatton cultivated his own myth. He picked the opponents with Billy Graham and his dad. They would still be doing it if HBO suffered it.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2007, 06:59

Terry D wrote:
boxingchat wrote:Agreed, but Collazo, Maussa and Urango hardly beat legends did they?
Nope but Hatton did, Kostya Tszyu. Kostya could come back now and be x 5 Lacy.

In what way though will he be x5?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 May 2007, 07:26

There's no way back for Tszyu. I think he was finished off by Hatton. It took a Hatton to drain him that way. After god knows how long as champion, and that last punishing fight, he won't fight again.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 May 2007, 07:31

BC, I am sure that if Hatton had not left Warren, you would be toeing the line and singing his praises to the rafters, much as you did before he defected.

The point is this. Calzaghe has never beaten anyone of the standing of Kostya Tszyu. Yes, I reckon Kostya was on his way down, and yes, he'd been carrying some injuries, but Kostya was very confident of victory going into the fight.

I agree that Hatton and Graham have picked their opponents very cleverly, but then, that is precisely what Warren does for his fighters with the assitance of his matchmakers. That's sound business practice.

I suspect that Castillo is on the slide, though shot is too strong a word, I don't think he's going to be a major test if Hatton is even 75% of the fighter that beat Tszyu.

A fight with Cotto would be good, but not at 147, Hatton just doesn't seem effective there, whereas Cotto looks like a reinvigorated fighter since moving up. Thus, it won't happen.

The fact is, that a fight with Kessler would completely validate Calzaghe's career. Having see of Lacy, who perhaps was overrated, and Kessler, who is fast becoming the dominant force in the division, would totally prove that he was the oustanding super middleweight fighter of his era. As it stands, the shadow of Ottke and Kessler hang over him, and Kessler could go on to supercede Calzaghe if he can stay fit and injury free long enough to rack up another 4-5 MEANINGFUL defences.

I rate Calzaghe, I really do, but Joe has never shown willingness to step into the Lions den and rip the title from a fighter, he has almost always got to dictate terms or the fights have not happened.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2007, 07:34

Terry D wrote:
Tsukiyomi wrote:
Terry D wrote: Nope but Hatton did, Kostya Tszyu. Kostya could come back now and be x 5 Lacy.
In what way though will he be x5?
In every single way. I suggest you watch him fight. He will still be more than a match for most fighters, unlike Lacy.

Or are you so biased you cannot admit that Kostya is x 5 Lacy?

Only In draw and name, not a better match. Lacy's actually fought In these last two years.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2007, 07:38

Terry D wrote:
Final Fight wrote:There's no way back for Tszyu. I think he was finished off by Hatton. It took a Hatton to drain him that way. After god knows how long as champion, and that last punishing fight, he won't fight again.
Yes but is he not far more impressive than Lacy as a win? I reckon as a fighter he would still perform better than Jeff. Jethro Tull would be a better test than Lacy.

Well dominating Lacy every single minute as much more Impressive than having a partly foul filled battle with an Inactive Tszyu.

Tszyu was always an Inactive fighter while still a champion. Lacy was a fresh young champion fighting at least 4 times a year before Joe destroyed him.

Tszyu Is the bigger name though and Hatton's win was still a good one.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 May 2007, 07:42

Terry D wrote:
Final Fight wrote:There's no way back for Tszyu. I think he was finished off by Hatton. It took a Hatton to drain him that way. After god knows how long as champion, and that last punishing fight, he won't fight again.
Yes but is he not far more impressive than Lacy as a win? I reckon as a fighter he would still perform better than Jeff. Jethro Tull would be a better test than Lacy.

Tszyu's a genuine modern great. Hatton did well but has sucked in trying to emulate him as champion i.e. set back challenger after challenger.

Lacy was definitely a puncher in his prime, busy, improving, hungry. Good while he was peaking. Joe was exceptional that night and it's no small thing to utterly destroy someone in a unification bout. Calzaghe def deserves credit for ruining the guy, in the way that Holmes was credited for grinding down Cooney.

Obviously, Kostya = great while Lacy will never be that. But still it's a good thing to break a guy considered a force, especially when he's favored to beat you down.

There's different kinds of great wins. Beat a good fighter in his prime. Beat a great fighter ageing. Sad thing is that neither have followed up with much that could be classed as acceptable.

I mean, if Calzaghe were to get a Tszyu level opponent. It couldn't be Taylor. If Lacy is now limited plodder begging to be exposed, Taylor is reluctant, lacks initiative, in fact is passive and never tries to throw more punches than his opponent. We know that ALREADY. It could be Kessler, on grounds that Mk is the equal to Joe. But if Kessler were to lose everyone knows better after. Oh he was too upright. Oh he lacks a body attack.

Nah, it'd have to be a Hopkinsby these 'A fighter, B fighter' criteria. Elite fighter, modern great standing, ageing, no reflexes, dire workrate but very crafty and begging to be taken by a fast busy fighter.

So ultimately are we all asking for Calzaghe vs Hopkins? A fight that would be utter shite.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2007, 07:49

Hypocrites here do not read my posts properly either when they call me a allegedly cheerleader.

I meant that If either two comeback now, Lacy would be better than Tszyu.

Tszyu has not fought for two years and pretends to fans he might be coming back and has done nothing but go on dancing with the stars while going fat.

Lacy actually has had a fight and was winning pretty easy until his shoulder went on fought on with It.

Yes I'm well aware Kostya Tszyu was a legend.

Is that all Hatton has to go on?

Calzaghe Is mentioning Lacy less and less while Hatton and his boys keep going on about Kostya Tszyu and are that delusional that Mayweather will still consider fighting him. DLH Is past It too probably but a win over him Is bigger than Hatton's Tszyu win.

Mayweather also already beat Castillo twice.

Kostya could only comeback and be a draw, he would get beat at top 10 level.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 May 2007, 08:01

the forever underwhelming box office boy dlh isn't better than tszyu. oscar's just as past it yet matches himself shrewdly and always gasses poorly over rds 9, 10, 11, 12

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2007, 08:27

Well I did say DLH Is past It probably but his name on the world scene Is bigger than Tszyu.

Golden Boy are like SN, they only make the big fights when It's there own fighters or wait until they've signed the fighters. 8)

Hagler2002 · Post by **Hagler2002** » 22 May 2007, 08:45

Tsukiyomi wrote:Golden Boy are like SN

I cannot believe you managed to mention them two in the same sentence.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 22 May 2007, 08:49

Well there biggest fights do happen the majority of the time when they sign both fighters.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 22 May 2007, 11:27

Terry D wrote:
Tsukiyomi wrote:Well there biggest fights do happen the majority of the time when they sign both fighters.
Is this the SN who failed to make Morris-Foster when it would have been huge?

Because Morris and Foster asked for far too much money...you take out a Promoters licence, pay it and you can put it on.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 22 May 2007, 11:30

Simple Question.....A prime Tszyu faces a prime Hatton at the MEN Arena
Who Wins?

Tszyu easy and without breaking sweat.

And as for Chavez

Now, a prime Calzaghe fights a prime Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson, Nunn antwhere in the world, who wins.

Calzaghe at THEIR own admission.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 22 May 2007, 11:33

I def agree a prime JC beats all those.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 22 May 2007, 11:41

Ifs buts and bullshit

The thing is Calzaghe wouldn't go near a prime Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson or Nunn. For a start that would mean fighting someone in their prime.

Not that I think Hatton would go near a prime Zoo though.

So basically they're both poop shanks who have amassed far to much money for the risks they have been willing to take.

Although Hatton fighting a past prime Tszyu in Manchester and a possible past prime Castillo in Vegas is showing bigger balls than Calzaghe ever has unfortunatly.

Actually, the majority of us think Joe is a far more talented fighter than Ricky...which just makes us even more frustrated and he even more of a c#nt

J · Post by J » 22 May 2007, 11:47

boxingchat wrote:
Castillo is shot too IMO and he'll probably still beat Hatton. But if he doesn't it's hardly an earth shattering win for Hatton is it?

THJAT AOBUT SUMS YOU UP REALLY.

if Ricky wins then casitllo is shot, if Hatton loses he never was any good.

what a cancerous prick you are.

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 22 May 2007, 11:48

Calzaghe wants the fights but the figures have to stack up. All these guy's have been approached and most turn him down. Would you put your fighter in with JC and risk a Lacy type beating humiliation?

As Lacy's trainer said, Jeff willl be back and will regain a world title but there is no way he will be allowed withing 1000 of JC. The same trainer who trains the likes of Winky Wright.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 22 May 2007, 11:48

Scooby Doo wrote:You are not getting it. Setanta if they are in their right minds will go effing ballistic on advertising thats in the media and also rubbing salt in the wounds of sky by advertising on their channels as well. trust me the advertising on this fight is going to go nuts.

Will they? You don't get channel 4 advertising on ITV for instance...

FA had a very cheap looking back page ad on BN last week.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 22 May 2007, 11:52

But Joe is always talking about his legacy, if that's the case as you say nobody will fight Joe, how does Floyd get any fights?

Joe has never specualted to accumlulate, if he took the shitty end to go to Germany/USA and fight a Ottke/Hopkins, it would have improved his earning potential no? Fighting Joe for a shitty purse and the WBO title in his homeland isn't the most appealing of things is it?