Prince Naseem Hamed

fist · Post by **fist** » 23 May 2007, 16:38

Here's a link of Naseem's eigth defence and he highlights what I loved about him. So fast, so unorthodox, able to throw the most extroadinary angled punches, leaping into uppercuts.

I know there are many many people who disliked him and thats fair enough. But I really enjoyed his showboating, I respect other people who feel showboating is unethical etc. But for me Ive always loved it, particularly the uber way Nas did it. Yes he humiliated his opponents and of course there was always that tightrope element where he could be a whisker away from a hugely embarrasing knockout, which is what makes it exciting! To be fair to him he never did lose by KO. He certainly got a rude awakening against Kelley, but credit to him and both of them for that matter for getting up off the canvas and knocking the other one down!

His fights were some of the most exciting I've seen and I dont think there will ever be another Nas. Unquestionably, he lost to a better fighter in Barrera and he said so at his press conference, only time he was humbled. As a fan, I wished he had taken that fight seriously and shown more respect for Barrera in terms of sparring and training, but I suppose without his arrogance he would not have been the showman he was. Also wish he had carried on, cos he had so much left to do. Whether or not he would have won a rematch, well who knows, but he had the potential. He looked nervous in that fight and was uncommitted in his training. His angled shots and angular movement was off kilter that night, always getting tagged and not as accurate. Nonetheless, he went the distance.

Anyway, I know just about every reply post will disagree with me, but he's one of my all time favourites.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKQC6b14vx0

jewboypgh · Post by **jewboypgh** » 23 May 2007, 16:47

Naseem Hamed is a cock. A worthless over rated bum. He'd get KTFO if he came back to the States again. He has no Defense and fighters have all figured his little charade out...

Slugout · Post by **Slugout** » 23 May 2007, 16:52

jewboypgh wrote:Naseem Hamed is a cock. A worthless over rated bum. He'd get KTFO if he came back to the States again. He has no Defense and fighters have all figured his little charade out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oRQJK61MWs

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 23 May 2007, 17:05

The ref should've scored the big looping missing right hand a KD seeing as his glove touched the canvas. Also, the ref let him pop the guy on the break right in front of him and gave him a finger shake and nothing more, and then as he was warning Naz, Hamed jumps in with a jab oer the refs arm....no deduction.

Naz was supremely talented, but his mostly unblemished record is due to fighting a lot of second and third tier talents. His biggest fight, he got completely schooled and outboxed by a fighter who fought a picture perfect textbook fight.

Naz was fun to watch, but his flaws were extremely apparent. When you don't fight people who are able to capitalize on them, life is good.

Gran Torino · Post by **Gran Torino** » 23 May 2007, 17:15

jewboypgh wrote:Naseem Hamed is a cock. A worthless over rated bum. He'd get KTFO if he came back to the States again. He has no Defense and fighters have all figured his little charade out...

Stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think.

vargas · Post by **vargas** » 23 May 2007, 17:31

Hamed was the reason I started to watch boxing when I was younger. He was brilliant until he went to the US and began to think he could KO everyone. I honestly believe he could have beaten Barrera had he chosen to use his skills rather than wading looking for the KO.

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 23 May 2007, 17:37

vargas wrote:Hamed was the reason I started to watch boxing when I was younger. He was brilliant until he went to the US and began to think he could KO everyone. I honestly believe he could have beaten Barrera had he chosen to use his skills rather than wading looking for the KO.

He did use his skills, as limited as they were and he got his ass beat, no excuses, Barrera schooled him easily and made his face look like DeNiro's in that Frankenstein movie.

diamondd7t · Post by **diamondd7t** » 23 May 2007, 17:40

prince aint sh*t. It just goes to show that an pure orthodox fighter will pick a banger apart

vargas · Post by **vargas** » 23 May 2007, 17:51

Diamond WEAPON wrote:
vargas wrote:Hamed was the reason I started to watch boxing when I was younger. He was brilliant until he went to the US and began to think he could KO everyone. I honestly believe he could have beaten Barrera had he chosen to use his skills rather than wading looking for the KO.
He did use his skills, as limited as they were and he got his ass beat, no excuses, Barrera schooled him easily and made his face look like DeNiro's in that Frankenstein movie.

Lacy and Trinidad were schooled against Calzaghe and Winky, losing every round on all judges scorecards. Hamed was beaten but losing a decision 116-112 and 115-112 twice is far from a disgrace.

fist · Post by **fist** » 23 May 2007, 18:11

vargas wrote:
Diamond WEAPON wrote:
vargas wrote:Hamed was the reason I started to watch boxing when I was younger. He was brilliant until he went to the US and began to think he could KO everyone. I honestly believe he could have beaten Barrera had he chosen to use his skills rather than wading looking for the KO.
He did use his skills, as limited as they were and he got his ass beat, no excuses, Barrera schooled him easily and made his face look like DeNiro's in that Frankenstein movie.
Lacy and Trinidad were schooled against Calzaghe and Winky, losing every round on all judges scorecards. Hamed was beaten but losing a decision 116-112 and 115-112 twice is far from a disgrace.

Yep, it wasnt a disgrace. He got beat on points by a legend and accepted it. I have no doubt that Naseem had a better fight in him should he have fought Barrera again, but as to whether he would have been triumphiant, well we will never know. Anyway, for me he is one of the most exciting fighter Ive seen.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 23 May 2007, 22:58

Mods, please move to "Boxers of the Past".

Mimmy · Post by **Mimmy** » 24 May 2007, 04:31

Here is my 5 cents worth.

Hamed came on the boxing scene when British boxing was in decline, ok we had fading fighters Eubank etc but there wasnt anyone who was promising things like Hamed did. We were all caught in the hype, it was like being hypnotised. Hamed did fight good fights he knocked out those bums and made the general public dislike hime, this was because he all ways delcared himself a legand and unbeatable. Paul ingle came close to beating him, ingle was a good solid pro but nothing spectacular, Inglae was an honest boxer who did not proclaim he was the unbeatable one that was going to rule the world.

Most people like me wanted to see Hamed get beat, this was because he was very outspoken about his trade. It was the same as Eubank, nobody really liked Eubank, i hated him but he filled the seats and drew 15 to 20 thousand paying public to see him, i saw him fight live 2 or 3 times, but i wanted him out of there. Hamed was the same, he did have talent, but if you keep telling yourself you are the king you will believe it.

Hamed like most fighters get beat and to be a legend it shows when you return and start the process all over again, but this time you have learned fron your mistakes and are a better fighter. Hamed however did not return because he felt what it was like to be beaten, and beaten good, he was the school bully who picked on the wrong person.

Good riddence!!!!

no wonder the American boxers laugh at guys like Hamed.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 24 May 2007, 04:49

Hamed believed his own hype. He negelcted his boxing, stopped trying to improve and just clowned around trying to land his big punch.

He could have been so much more but his reaction in and after the MAB fight tells it all. He couldn't respond in the ring and he just fizzled out after that. Great fighters prove themselves after a defeat. They have the mental strength to come back. Even in the modern era Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hopkins, Holyfield, Hagler, Hearns, etc came back from defeat Hamed couldn't do it.

JC · Post by JC » 24 May 2007, 07:29

Naseem lost to the better man in Barrera, but because people hated him so much it's been inflated in to some kind of legendary beat down which it never really was. Barrera actually fought pretty negitively that night it was the jab that won it for him.

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 24 May 2007, 07:54

Decagon wrote:A lot of people don't like Hamed because he's a Muslim.

Hmm, not in England i don't think. More because he is an arrogant fool who left a man he critically injured for dead at a roadside instead of helpling him.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 24 May 2007, 08:15

jewboypgh wrote:Naseem Hamed is a cock. A worthless over rated bum. He'd get KTFO if he came back to the States again. He has no Defense and fighters have all figured his little charade out...

Naseem retired 5 years ago

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 24 May 2007, 08:21

The problem with Naz was that he believed his own hype, and thought he was invincible. He had the physical tools, great speed and power, to be an all time great. His technique wasnt great, whether this was due to his arrogance or his tuition from Brendan Ingle, Im not sure. But he got through all his fights until Barrera, where his lack of technique was exposed by a great technician. He did take his beating and defeat like a man though. Naz was a notch below great, but could have been great if hed learned a bit more, with a different trainer

monkeybusiness · Post by **monkeybusiness** » 03 Jun 2007, 11:23

I have a soft spot for Naz. He got me following boxing in the late 90s.
I think he WAS a special talent but peaked very quickly. I think we'd seen the best of him before he even went to the states.
Basically the wheels had come off and before Barrera he had been winning on power and unorthodox punches. But it did take a top class fighter to expose him and even then it wasn't a whitewash.
Naz isn't the legend he claimed he was. But he also isn't as bad as some people make out.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 06 Jun 2007, 06:48

Prince Nassem Hamed was an excellent fighter (though he'll never be considered a "legend") I wouldc ertinly consider him one of the great fighter of the 90s.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 10 Jun 2007, 04:41

jewboypgh wrote:Naseem Hamed is a cock. A worthless over rated bum. He'd get KTFO if he came back to the States again. He has no Defense and fighters have all figured his little charade out...

I agree, but you left the word "scum" out of your post.