Archie Moore v Roy Jones

boris1 · Post by **boris1** » 14 Oct 2003, 09:34

Now, some deluded fools actually belive ol mongoose doesn't have enough skill to beat roy jones, they are wrong just look at Archie Moore's record, undeaften in the light-heavyweight division and 129 Ko's in light-heavy and heavy, he took on boxers like rocky marciano in his early or mid forties floored them despite being knocked out in the 9th he was pretty old in boxing terms, he lasted 4 rounds at fifty something against Ali, then look at Roy Jones's, takes on a fat John Ruiz, wins then ducks every one else before returning to a lower division.

Tyson KTFO 3 Times · Post by **Tyson KTFO 3 Times** » 14 Oct 2003, 10:31

boris1 wrote:Now, some deluded fools actually belive ol mongoose doesn't have enough skill to beat roy jones, they are wrong just look at Archie Moore's record, undeaften in the light-heavyweight division and 129 Ko's in light-heavy and heavy, he took on boxers like rocky marciano in his early or mid forties floored them despite being knocked out in the 9th he was pretty old in boxing terms, he lasted 4 rounds at fifty something against Ali, then look at Roy Jones's, takes on a fat John Ruiz, wins then ducks every one else before returning to a lower division.

Well although his heavy career seems a tad disapointing, it would be ignornant to dismiss his light heavy and super middle skills.

Assuming you are talking light heavy matchup i would take Archie by a late rounds KO

Roy and archie are both great but i feel archie would have the edge.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 14 Oct 2003, 12:46

Archie by late Ko.

RJJ is great, but the ol' mongoose is in a different league.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 14 Oct 2003, 18:42

As far as I'm concerned, Roy Jones has been THE most impressive fighter I've seen since the mid 90's. No offense to the late Mongoose...but Jones would win...SPEED KILLS!!! I recently watched (again) the 1955 Marciano-Moore fight on ESPN Classic. Moore was already old by then but still put on a respectable show even though he was knocked down repeatedly...Jones has always struck me as FAR MORE than just respectable...and how would Archie cope with the hand speed??? Anything can happen in boxing but my money would be on Jones.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 14 Oct 2003, 21:17

The question is, could Ray Robinson or Ray Leonard have beaten Archie Moore? Since RJJ is the next best thing to Sugar Ray.

Tyson KTFO 3 Times · Post by **Tyson KTFO 3 Times** » 15 Oct 2003, 05:26

terap wrote:"Well although his heavy career seems a tad disapointing,"

True Archie Moore did not win the heavyweight title,

Sorry terap my first post was not clear.

i was stating Jones career at heavy was not impressive with his wins over "fat" ruiz.

Moore's heavy career was far more impressive.

The more i think about it, Moore beats jones and teaches him a lesson at the same time.
P4p moore was one of the greatest.

his stern test he gave rocky marciano reinforces this.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Oct 2003, 16:58

Roy Jones hasn't faced anyone remotely in Archie Moores class either in power, experience or cunning. Moore's heavyweight career is vastly superior to that of Jones... and he didn't need the help of little pills either!.
I'd pick Moore to ko Jones once Jones tasted a bit of Archies power.
Were Moore around today he'd comfortably beat Lennox Lewis.
Floyd Patterson was much better than his losses to Liston and Johansson suggest, I believe his confidence was undermined by his over cautious and paranoid manager. Remmember late in his career Patterson beat Quarry, Bornevena, Chuvalo and Ellis (although he was robbed of the verdict against Ellis).
I'd pick Bob Foster to ko Jones too.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 15 Oct 2003, 19:55

Sorry...but I still say SPEED KILLS! And, neither Moore OR Jones can be considered "heavyweights" just because they weighed over 190 a few times. Moore was a light-heavy until he was 40. Jones, at 190, is a blown up light-heavy. Jones beat a much bigger Ruiz, regardless of how talented (or untalented) Ruiz is. The most impressive thing about Moore is how he was still effective in the ring AFTER passing 40. I think there may be a bit of bias on the part of you guys, favoring the old timers over current fighters, but I'll tell you this...Jones is no push over for ANY of the great light-heavies. SPEED KILLS...it also impresses judges, fans (crowd noise which I personally believe can affect judges), and can frustrate the fighter who can't cope with it. We've all seen incredible, unforseen upsets in boxing...Don't be so darn sure Archie would win...Jones is damn good, whether you want to give him credit or not...Maxim & Johnson would have their hands full too...I would still put my money on Jones in a Moore-Jones fight.

Tyson KTFO 3 Times · Post by **Tyson KTFO 3 Times** » 16 Oct 2003, 07:38

Sweet Scientist wrote:I think there may be a bit of bias on the part of you guys, favoring the old timers over current fighters.

Not me,

Seeing as i only came into existance in 1987 i do not favour the old timers.

I simply believe that archies powers and skills would beat roy jones, most likey by KO or maybe points.

The thing is, could todays fighters go the 15 rounds like the old school used to.

Its always an interesting point when considering these types of matchups.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 16 Oct 2003, 10:03

RJJ is not a natural 175.

He's smaller than those guys at 175

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 19 Oct 2003, 13:52

Moore fought and beat heavyweights regularly throughout his career. For instance he twice beat Nino Valdez, a brilliant Cuban heavyweight who was ducked by all the top heavyweight contenders of the day. Rocky Marciano wasn't allowed anywhere near Valdez.
Jones speed wouldn't help him take Moores power, and Moore had enough speed and guile of his own to probably outbox Jones too.

b0xin9 · Post by **b0xin9** » 20 Oct 2003, 01:57

boris1 wrote:just look at Archie Moore's record, undeaften in the light-heavyweight division and 129 Ko's in light-heavy and heavy

Your point? It's not about how many wins and losses that you have, it takes skills not records to win a bout. Archie "overrated" moore would not have a shining daylight chance against jones.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 20 Oct 2003, 03:44

I don't think Archie Moore is "over-rated" at all there, bOxin9...

Moore was actually a very great fighter...

But SO IS JONES...and his SPEED is why he would win...and he for damn sure wouldn't just stand there and let Archie hit him...and he'd DEFINITELY beat Archie to the punch...all night long...

SPEED KILLS...it easily makes up for any defiency in sheer punching power...

Jones in a unanimous decision, no knock downs, is the way I envision it...I think this bout would be a real crowd pleaser, as well...these guys match up well on paper.

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