WBA PRESENT POSSIBLY WORST RANKINGS EVER

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 31 May 2007, 10:44

Difficult to top the IBF who have followed up their last rankings (Ray Austin the #1 contender in the world?) with the first TWO spots vacant (wtf), but check out this latest beauty from the geniuses at the WBA:

1. Nicolay Valuev - lost his last fight (but a Don King heavyweight)
2. Serguei Liakhovich - lost his last fight by kayo (but a Don King heavyweight)
3 . John Ruiz - lost his last fight (but a Don King heavyweight)
4. Davaryll Williamson - lost his last fight of note (but a Don King heavyweight)
5. Wladimir Virchis - too high, but nothing overly dodgy here
6. Mike Mollo - beating Kevin McBride gets you in the top 10 (but is a Don King heavyweight btw)
7. Taras Bidenko - no credentials whatsoever
8. Juan Carlos Gomez - done what at heavyweight exactly?
9. Alexander Dimitrenko - no credentials whatsoever
10.Hasim Rahman - lost his last fight by kayo (but a Don King heavyweight)

Kali Meehan, another DK affiliate, lingering outside the top 10 at #11.

Note the absence of Sam Peter.

A suspicous mind might actually think Don King holds some sway over the WBA, or even that the masters behind the Super-Champ and multiple interim champ rules might be a slightly corrupt organisation...

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 31 May 2007, 10:53

Outrageous.

Those ratings just cannot be justified.

There is as much evidence there of the ratings being bent as there was for the IBF when they were done (other than taped conversations which granted is quite incriminating) and they should be investigated.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 31 May 2007, 10:56

The amazing thing is they can do what they want though- there's nobody to stop them! Boxing is clearly a lawless state.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 31 May 2007, 10:59

overhand_right wrote:The amazing thing is they can do what they want though- there's nobody to stop them! Boxing is clearly a lawless state.

You're right there. Governing bodies are contributing to the ruination of this sport. I hate the lot of them.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 31 May 2007, 11:43

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
overhand_right wrote:The amazing thing is they can do what they want though- there's nobody to stop them! Boxing is clearly a lawless state.
You're right there. Governing bodies are contributing to the ruination of this sport. I hate the lot of them.

Even the British Masters title, which gives you a warm snuggly feeling because Keith Jones can fight for it?

1southpaw · Post by **1southpaw** » 31 May 2007, 16:44

if we went back to one title one champion then maybe they would want to fight more offten insted of sitting on a title untill every one forgets who,s champion then fighting w&nk

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 31 May 2007, 17:40

It's not surprising at all. Just look how often SN fighters turn up in WBO rankings. The ABC's aren't going to bite the hands that feed them by being objective when it comes to their rankings.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 31 May 2007, 18:40

oliverfennell wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
overhand_right wrote:The amazing thing is they can do what they want though- there's nobody to stop them! Boxing is clearly a lawless state.
You're right there. Governing bodies are contributing to the ruination of this sport. I hate the lot of them.
Even the British Masters title, which gives you a warm snuggly feeling because Keith Jones can fight for it?

no one has ever expalined to me what the criteria for a masters belt is

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 01 Jun 2007, 03:37

I thought it was you were either too shit or too shot for any other belt imaginable except of course the WBF Inter-Continental belts.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 01 Jun 2007, 04:01

not bad. universum can definitely keep tabs on who chagaev's fighting till he grows into his belt.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 01 Jun 2007, 04:35

I thought Ruiz signed with Sauerland since he got jobbed against Valuev?

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 05 Jun 2007, 09:39

What would be the most accurate rankings IYO? Heres the latest from the highly regarded OBR (Overhand Boxing Racket)

1. Wlad Klitschko (ibf)
2. Ruslan Chagaev (wba)
3. Oleg Maskaev (wbc)
4. Samuel Peter
5. Sultan Ibragimov (wbollocks)
6. Nikolay Valuev
7. Oliver McCall
8. Matt Skelton
9. Tony Thompson
10. Shannon Briggs
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11. Vladimir Virchis
12. Michael Sprott

Note- absence of Vitali K, Lamon Brewster, and Sergei Lyakovich due to long absence, loss, or both.

These might be the worst collective of heavyweights i have EVER seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 05 Jun 2007, 09:45

PS i've just noticed that the IBF have either both the 1 & 2 spots or one of them VACANT in every single division!!!!! All frickin 17!!!!!!!!!

What the fornicate are they playing at????

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jun 2007, 09:46

overhand_right wrote:PS i've just noticed that the IBF have either both the 1 & 2 spots or one of them VACANT in every single division!!!!! All frickin 17!!!!!!!!!

What the eff are they playing at????

Looking forward to a nice fat paycheque from all those eliminators I'd say.

That is correct isn't it, don't they collect sanctioning fees on eliminators?

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 05 Jun 2007, 09:52

Any fight with a sanctioning body tag means payday.

So catagorically YES, the IBF will collect. BIG TIME!!

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 05 Jun 2007, 10:12

WBA TOP 15:::

World Champion: RUSLAN CHAGAEV UZB

1. NICOLAY VALUEV RUS
2. SERGUEI LIAKHOVICH BEL
3. JOHN RUIZ USA
4. DAVARYLL WILLIAMSON USA
5. WLADIMIR VIRCHIS (EBU) UKR
6. MIKE MOLLO (LAC) USA
7. TARAS BIDENKO (WBA I/C) UKR
8. JUAN CARLOS GOMEZ CUB
9. ALEXANDER DIMITRENKO UKR
10. HASIM RAHMAN USA
11. KALI MEEHAN AUS
12. TONY THOMPSON USA
13. JEAN FRANCOIS BERGERON (NABA) CAN
14. EVANDER HOLYFIELD USA
15. TIMO HOFFMANN GER

WBC TOP 15:::
CHAMPION: OLEG MASKAEV (KAZAKHSTAN)
1 .- Samuel Peter (Nigeria) NABF
2 .- Sinan Samil Sam (Turkey) INTL
3 .- Vladimir Virchis (Ukraine) EBU
4 .- Oliver McCall (US)
5 .- Hasim Rahman (US)
6 .- Alexander Dimitrenko (Ukraine)
7 .- Donnell Holmes (US)
8 .- James Toney (US)
9 .- Evander Holyfield (US)
10 .- Paolo Vidoz (Italy)
11 .- David Tua (New Zealand)
12 .- Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba) LATINO
13 .- Calvin Brock (US)
14 .- Chris Byrd (US)
15 .- Alexander Povetkin (Russia)

WBO TOP 15::: BEFORE BRIGGS FIGHT
Champion: SHANNON BRIGGS USA
1. Sultan Ibragimov RUS
2. Samuel Peter NIG
3. Alexander Dimitrenko UKR
4. Luan Krasniqi (Int-Cont) GER
5. Tony Thompson USA
6. Serguei Lyakhovich BEL
7. Lamon Brewster USA
8. Vladimir Virchis UKR
9. Calvin Brock USA
10. Vitaly Klitschko UKR
11. Matt Skelton GB
12. Eddie Chambers USA
13. Evander Holyfield USA
14. Hasim Rahman USA
15. Denis Bakhtor (Asia-Pacific) RUS

IBF TOP 15:::

CHAMPION : Wladimir Klitschko Ukraine

1 NOT RATED
2 NOT RATED
3 Lamon Brewster United States
4 Calvin Brock United States
5 Chris Byrd United States
6 Nicolay Valouev Russian Federation
7 Hasim Rahman United States
8 Ray Austin United States
9 Vladimir Virchis Ukraine
10 Sergei Lyakhovich Belarus
11 Tony Thompson United States
12 Eddie Chambers United States
13 Evander Holyfield United States
14 Oleg Platov Ukraine
15 Shane Cameron Australia

BOXREC TOP 15:::
1 Wladimir Klitschko
2 Samuel Peter
3 Ruslan Chagaev
4 Oleg Maskaev
5 Nikolay Valuev
6 Sultan Ibragimov
7 Vladimir Virchis
8 Matt Skelton
9 John Ruiz
10 Eddie Chambers
11 Chris Byrd
12 Luan Krasniqi
13 David Haye
14 Tony Thompson
15 Hasim Rahman

IBO TOP 15:::
1 1 WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO UKR 31
2 2 RUSLAN CHAGAEV RUS 28
3 3 NIKOLAI VALUEV RUS 33
4 4 SAMUEL PETER NIG 26
5 5 JOHN RUIZ USA 35
6 6 OLEG MASKAEV RUS 38 7 7 CHRIS BYRD USA 36
8 8 HASIM RAHMAN USA 34
9 9 SHANNON BRIGGS USA 35
10 10 SERGEI LYAKOVICH BYE 30
11 11 LAMON BREWSTER USA 33
12 12 CALVIN BROCK USA 32
13 13 SULTAN IBRAGIMOV RUS 32
14 14 JAMES TONEY USA 38
15 22 WLADIMIR VIRCHIS UKR 33

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 05 Jun 2007, 10:35

Well that kills off any cred the IBO or boxrec ratings might of had.

John Ruiz at 5 and 9 respectively. This guy hasn't "won" a fight since Andrew Golota in 2004...

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 05 Jun 2007, 10:44

overhand_right wrote:Well that kills off any cred the IBO or boxrec ratings might of had.

John Ruiz at 5 and 9 respectively. This guy hasn't "won" a fight since Andrew Golota in 2004...

we had this in another topic tho... the IBO ratings on their site have a collumn for record against the IBO top 50 - also check the similar thing on Boxrec - Ruiz has been fighting people around his level of competition, and the fact is that no one from below him has pushed themselves up to challenge his place...

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 05 Jun 2007, 10:49

I see your point but the bottom line is he is a long time without a win. I prefer Oliver McCall busting heads like Darroll Wilson and Yanqui Diaz to just plain losing or even getting knocked out by the likes of Maurice Harris and Shannon Briggs like this crappy Lyakovich fella.

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 05 Jun 2007, 10:49

Boxing needs to totally and utterly die to be saved if that makes any sense.

The boxing market needs to have a complete crash where all the governing bodies and promoters bail. And only when this happens can boxing be fixed by setting up a PROPER governing body, based on footballs model where you have the world body FIFA, then continental bodies and national bodies.

Then when this is set up you fix boxings pay structure. Take promoters out of the equation. Prize money in football isn't made up from the highest bidding chairman.

Instead have a solid scale structure where you get paid based on the level you are fighting at, this way the best will fight the best and lower down people will fight to their own level more.

If you kill boxing, you save it.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 05 Jun 2007, 11:01

But looking at the rankings make me want to kill myself, rather than anything productive.

Death to Gilberto Mendoza.

Disband the WBA.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jun 2007, 11:18

Cannibal wrote:Boxing needs to totally and utterly die to be saved if that makes any sense.

The boxing market needs to have a complete crash where all the governing bodies and promoters bail. And only when this happens can boxing be fixed by setting up a PROPER governing body, based on footballs model where you have the world body FIFA, then continental bodies and national bodies.

Then when this is set up you fix boxings pay structure. Take promoters out of the equation. Prize money in football isn't made up from the highest bidding chairman.

Instead have a solid scale structure where you get paid based on the level you are fighting at, this way the best will fight the best and lower down people will fight to their own level more.

If you kill boxing, you save it.

This simply would not work.

Without promoters boxing would not and never would have existed. Who else has the expertise to make big events happen other than boxing promoters?

Boxing is not like football, where teams participate according to a rigid schedule, and never could. Fighters get injured regularly, as a result of either fighting or training, or both, and you cannot guarantee when a fight will happen.

You are also not going to convince a fighter to enter the ring against someone he thinks is most likely going to batter him.

Your idea is idealistic, but not feasible.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 05 Jun 2007, 11:20

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Cannibal wrote:Boxing needs to totally and utterly die to be saved if that makes any sense.

The boxing market needs to have a complete crash where all the governing bodies and promoters bail. And only when this happens can boxing be fixed by setting up a PROPER governing body, based on footballs model where you have the world body FIFA, then continental bodies and national bodies.

Then when this is set up you fix boxings pay structure. Take promoters out of the equation. Prize money in football isn't made up from the highest bidding chairman.

Instead have a solid scale structure where you get paid based on the level you are fighting at, this way the best will fight the best and lower down people will fight to their own level more.

If you kill boxing, you save it.
This simply would not work.

Without promoters boxing would not and never would have existed. Who else has the expertise to make big events happen other than boxing promoters?

Boxing is not like football, where teams participate according to a rigid schedule, and never could. Fighters get injured regularly, as a result of either fighting or training, or both, and you cannot guarantee when a fight will happen.

You are also not going to convince a fighter to enter the ring against someone he thinks is most likely going to batter him.

Your idea is idealistic, but not feasible.

Like Westmoreland said.... to save the village it was neccesary to destroy it...

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 05 Jun 2007, 12:22

You would have officially sanctioned events run by the body all year round. The fighter fights when he likes but can but obviously if you only fight once a year then you won't progress as fast as someone fighting 4 times a year.

Just look at the UFC, the best fight the best and it has a much better structure than boxing. Boxing is outdated. The promoter run business was good back in the day but now they need to refresh and start over.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 05 Jun 2007, 12:28

Cannibal wrote:You would have officially sanctioned events run by the body all year round. The fighter fights when he likes but can but obviously if you only fight once a year then you won't progress as fast as someone fighting 4 times a year.

Just look at the UFC, the best fight the best and it has a much better structure than boxing. Boxing is outdated. The promoter run business was good back in the day but now they need to refresh and start over.

i think it does need to be under one roof, one ratings, and mandated matchups at certain levels...