Welterweights: "Mantequilla" Napoles vs "Tito

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 06 Jun 2007, 21:09

Decagon wrote:Harry Simon figured out the Winky Wright puzzle. You're acting like Wright is some defensive specialist - he simply outboxed Trinidad, the same way Hopkins and De la Hoya did. It had nothing to do with size or preternatural ability - Trinidad was easy to outbox.

Wright is 1 of the hardest fighters to hit cleanly anywhere most of his opponents only hit arms gloves, forearms I haven't seen the Harry Simon fight so I can't debate on that You can't compare oscar to Napoles.. Napoles wouldn't of done as much running or moving as Dlh did in their fight B-Hop was able to outfight Tito on the outside and inside Napoles wouldn't be able to outfight him on the inside like Hopkins. would..

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 06 Jun 2007, 23:52

Terry D wrote:
Alabama_Man wrote:
Ezzard wrote: Hearns developed a potent left hook to complement the right hand and to open opponents to the laser beam right hand.

Terry has picked out a great example of Hearns setting up Shuler with left hooks.
You think Hearns had one of the "best left hooks the division has ever seen"?

Steward: "Hearns always had an average lefthook to the head, but his lefthook to the body was very good."

That seems to be the key. A left hook to the body is not a right hand to the ribs.

Average + Very Good = Horrible?

Nope.

Then he should've said "Hearns had a very good left hook to the body."

One of the Best ever in the division?

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 06 Jun 2007, 23:54

BoxBuzz wrote:"stupid" and "wrong" are such harsh judgements. Coud he have been merely "under studied" and perhaps "misguided"?

That works too.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 06 Jun 2007, 23:57

Victor*KC wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:
Borinken25 wrote: Oba Carr, David Reid, and Fernando Vargas were supposed to be far superior boxers than Trinidad and look at what happen to them. As for DLH I think we have discussed that one enough and you know how I feel. Napoles was a great boxer but he would've lost to Tito. Napoles style was not the one to beat Tito, too small and not enough power to keep Tito out of balance. Tito would hunt him down and stop him around the 10 or 11 round.
Daivd Reid? Fernando Vargas? To mention these guys in the same breath as a prime Napoles is ridiculous.

And Vargas was never seen as being superior skill-wise to Tito . . he was just seen as a big hungry kid who could punch.
Alot of experts had picked both Reid and Vargas to defeat Trinidad.. im sure If trinidad never had faced Vargas people would be saying that Vargas would of beaten a prime Tito

Exactly, I think that idiot Dan Rafael had Vargas beating Trinidad by KO10.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 07 Jun 2007, 13:13

Terry D wrote: I never said best ever. I just know he has a fine left hook.

I go by what I see with my exceptional eye for a fighter rather than what comes out of the often innane mouth of Manny 'a leg massage lost us the fight' Steward.

I agree with Ezzard, it was a fine example I threw up

Exceptional eye for a fighter?

Let me know when you get the top scouting position from DK or Arum or when you take a guy to the top.

Also I was never talking about you, who are you anyway? My original comment was in response to this:

Decagon: Trinidad had one of the best left hooks the division's seen, up there with Robinson's and Hearns's.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 07 Jun 2007, 15:51

Terry D wrote:
They cannot afford me and were unsure about relocating to Manchester, England.

You made a comment about Hearns I replied then you replied to me. I assumed that with this being called a forum the floor was open for anyone to reply

Hearns had a tremendous left hook and you have to look at why, where and when Manny said what he said.

Manny could say: 'Lewis had a poor right hand. Wlad has much better extension on it.'

I would shrug and assume he was in the Ukraine.

I hear DK actually pays pretty well for scouts. I would look up their HR people.

As for Hearns, he had a good left hook to the body, I saw him utilize it very well against many fighters from Primera to Andries. But his left hook to the head (which is the punch I'm assuming we're talking about) was merely an average punch, and I agree with Steward's comments. (btw he said these comments on an HBO bio about Hearns)

Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone Hearns simply decapitated with one left hook who wasn't already hurt from other punches. Trinidad and Robinson laid people out with one left hook all the time.

To say Hearns had one of the "best left hooks the division has ever seen" is basically admitting you don't know much about the Welterweight division and its history (not you personally).

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 08 Jun 2007, 00:06

Decagon wrote:
Alabama_Man wrote:To say Hearns had one of the "best left hooks the division has ever seen" is basically admitting you don't know much about the Welterweight division and its history (not you personally).
Riiiiight, and saying, "Hearns had a horrible left hook," is pure genius.

Stop stalking me.