Where would Jerry Quarry rank on this cruiserweight list?

actjac · Post by **actjac** » 03 Jun 2007, 12:03

Evander Holyfield
Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
James Toney
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey
Michael Moorer
Floyd Patterson
Archie Moore
Michael Spinks
Juan Carlos Gomez
Vasily Jirov
O'Neil Bell
Jean Marc Mormeck
Virgil Hill
Carlos DeLeon
Al Cole

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 03 Jun 2007, 13:31

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 03 Jun 2007, 21:34

Low teens. Above Bell, Cole, Jirov, but below guys like Moorer and Toney.

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 03 Jun 2007, 21:50

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 03 Jun 2007, 22:16

Here's my view on Quarry in 'hypotheticals' with the 'cruiserweights' on your list:

Quarry vs Holyfield- Holyfield wins by KO in 10th
Quarry vs Marciano- Marciano wins by KO in 8th
Quarry vs Charles- Charles wins via 15 UD decision
Quarry vs Toney- Toney wins MD 12 decision
Quarry vs Tunney- Tunney wins UD 15 decision
Quarry vs Dempsey- Dempsey wins by KO 7th-8th
Quarry vs Moorer- Quarry wins SD 12
Quarry vs Patterson- I imagine a third fight would have been a W12 for Quarry
Quarry vs Moore- Moore wins UD 15 decision
Quarry vs Spinks- Spinks wins SD 15

Gomez, Jirov, Bell, Cole I can't see beating Quarry...

Mormeck and Hill I could see going the distance with Quarry though, but I'd lean more towards Quarry winning decisions.

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 06 Jun 2007, 12:20

Here's how I rank the cruisers historically:

1. Sam Langford
2. Joe Louis
3. Gene Tunney
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Jack Johnson
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Joe Walcott
9. Jerry Quarry
10. Those other bums

Cap

Cap's Journal

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 06 Jun 2007, 16:40

cruiserweight doesn't exist, it's a facade.

The division has always traditionally been for underachieving light HWs who don't cut the weight. Financially it's a big black hole. The champions make peanuts.

Any small HW with any real talent moves up to HW (Gomez, Holyfield, Jirov, Toney, now Haye) b/c that is where the money is.

And no way would James Toney ever beat Jerry Quarry.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 10 Jun 2007, 04:39

Alabama_Man wrote:Low teens. Above Bell, Cole, Jirov, but below guys like Moorer and Toney.

When you come down from your drug induced high, you will realise that Quarry would have been top of the list.

Toney is just a fat prick. A prime Quarry would have knocked the shit out of him.

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 10 Jun 2007, 15:51

In top 20-30 range. Too poor a fighter to rank any higher.

sonnyboyx2 · Post by **sonnyboyx2** » 11 Jun 2007, 06:57

ask yourself how those guys on the list would fare against Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Thad Spencer, Mac Foster (24-0) Buster Mathis... Jerry Quarry beats all those guys on the list

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 11 Jun 2007, 08:18

Ask yourself how Quarry fares against fast (faster than most heavyweights) boxers with above average skills.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 11 Jun 2007, 09:34

Quarry had very close fights with Patterson and Ellis who were fast and certainly had better than average skills.
Quarry would be just outside of the Top 10 .

As for the original list, Marciano,Tunney,Dempsey,Charles,Walcott,Langford,and Patterson would all rank above him.

Counting fighters not on the original list, Corbett ,Fitzsimmons and Schmeling should also rate above him. If you count Johnson,Louis, and Jeannette as "cruiserweights" they would all be above him.
I rank Ellis just above him as well.
After that you could make a strong case for Quarry to be higher than anyone else.

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 11 Jun 2007, 09:53

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 11 Jun 2007, 11:59

I guess it depends on your criteria. I thought we were just going by what fighters did at or under the current 200 pound limit.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 11 Jun 2007, 12:54

KO Artist wrote:
Alabama_Man wrote:Low teens. Above Bell, Cole, Jirov, but below guys like Moorer and Toney.
When you come down from your drug induced high, you will realise that Quarry would have been top of the list.

Toney is just a fat prick. A prime Quarry would have knocked the shit out of him.

You're just stupid and wrong.

Quarry couldn't knock the shit out of Larry Middleton but he could knock out James Toney a guy who has never been stopped in his career (80 bouts) despite facing the likes of Mike McCallum, Roy Jones Jr, Jirov, Samuel Peters x2, and Evander Holyfield?

School is out. Class dismissed.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 11 Jun 2007, 12:54

Decagon wrote:Alabama-Man is an idiot.

Quit stalking me. The "A" key on your keyboard must be worn out.

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 11 Jun 2007, 13:05

Patterson was 32 years old, that's past critical age for his style. Younger Patterson would have beaten Quarry easily. As for Ellis... I was never sold on him. It was a disgrace that former middleweight won the tournament, shows how weak that heavyweight division was.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 11 Jun 2007, 15:40

Patterson was still pretty fast and he had better than average skills and good power. Even at this stage in his career, he certainly was better than several of the guys on the original list and Quarry was able to fight retty evenly with him.

Ellis was a very good heavyweight. He had good speed and great boxing ability. Frazier and of course Ali wasn't in the tournament, but there were a lot of good fighters in it.

He was better than several of the fighters on this list as well. Quarry to fight pretty evenly with him as well.

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 12 Jun 2007, 12:16

JC · Post by JC » 12 Jun 2007, 12:21

DaveV17 wrote:How would you rate Jerry Quarry as a light heavyweight today probably should have been the question. There is a post on this board about Adamek weighing 198 at fight time after making 175 at the weigh in for his last fight. Quarry never weighed as much as 198 for a fight until after the Ellis fight. Today, with the day before weigh-in, Quarry could dehydrate, make 175 and then fight at his usual 193-95 by fight time. He might have been a great light heavy.

That's what makes comparing todays fighters with those of the past so hard, (the young) Duran could probably have made featherweight if he were around now.

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 12 Jun 2007, 13:21

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 12 Jun 2007, 15:35

Ah. Fairy tales...

ronnyrains · Post by **ronnyrains** » 06 Aug 2016, 12:50

Its so hard to deliberate who would win , when and where, especially differant era's
Jerry was a top heavyweight for ten years, and had their been a Crusierweight division there !?
there are fighter's who for sure would have gave Quarry fits, but not many !

RING MAGAZINE
(March 15, 1975)
World Champion : Muhammad Ali
1- George Foreman
2- Joe Frazier
3- Joe Bugner
4- Ken Norton
5- Jerry Quarry
6- Oscar Bonavena
7- Jimmy Young
8- Ron Lyle
9- Chuck Wepner
10- Bunny Johnson

Kalan · Post by **Kalan** » 06 Aug 2016, 15:15

actjac wrote:Evander Holyfield
Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
James Toney
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey
Michael Moorer
Floyd Patterson
Archie Moore
Michael Spinks
Juan Carlos Gomez
Vasily Jirov
O'Neil Bell
Jean Marc Mormeck
Virgil Hill
Carlos DeLeon
Al Cole

Quarry would have been a good cruiserweight---but would always rank under Joe Frazier, who had the style and strength advantage at Cruiserweight.. Frazier weighed a natural 205 and Quarry was a natural 192 in his best condition for Thad Spencer.. Ali could have easily fought Cruiserweight in his 20's. Ali weighed 201 and 203 respectively for Title Defenses vs Henry Cooper and Karl MIldenberger.. Joe Louis weighed 198 for what he said was his best fight with Max Baer... and Louis weighed 199 for 174-pound Billy Conn, so he could have been a Cruiserweight.. Louis got punched with a lot of power shots by Conn for 12 rounds -- so the Brown Bomber wasn't an unusually slick defender such as Tunney or Haye.

David Haye was probably the best boxer-puncher and sharpest hitter in Cruiserweight History... Haye could fight huge Heavyweights without getting battered, floored, out-strengthed, or punched out - which happened to the more hittable Holyfield vs Bowe... Juan Carlos Gomez and Tomasz Adamek were good Cruiserweight Champions, but they were punched out by Vitali Klitschko.. James Toney was a formidable Cruiserweight, knocking out Holyfield with destructive rib shots.. Toney had too much infighting finesse and overall defensive slickness for Evander and the ending was inevitable.

Boxers who were too small to rank in the Top-5 Cruiserweights include: Marciano... Charles... Patterson... Moore... Hill... and Quarry.

Cutman Scabbers · Post by **Cutman Scabbers** » 06 Aug 2016, 16:30

Kalan wrote:
actjac wrote:Evander Holyfield
Rocky Marciano
Ezzard Charles
James Toney
Gene Tunney
Jack Dempsey
Michael Moorer
Floyd Patterson
Archie Moore
Michael Spinks
Juan Carlos Gomez
Vasily Jirov
O'Neil Bell
Jean Marc Mormeck
Virgil Hill
Carlos DeLeon
Al Cole
Quarry would have been a good cruiserweight---but would always rank under Joe Frazier, who had the style and strength advantage at Cruiserweight.. Frazier weighed a natural 205 and Quarry was a natural 192 in his best condition for Thad Spencer.. Ali could have easily fought Cruiserweight in his 20's. Ali weighed 201 and 203 respectively for Title Defenses vs Henry Cooper and Karl MIldenberger.. Joe Louis weighed 198 for what he said was his best fight with Max Baer... and Louis weighed 199 for 174-pound Billy Conn, so he could have been a Cruiserweight.. Louis got punched with a lot of power shots by Conn for 12 rounds -- so the Brown Bomber wasn't an unusually slick defender such as Tunney or Haye.

David Haye was probably the best boxer-puncher and sharpest hitter in Cruiserweight History... Haye could fight huge Heavyweights without getting battered, floored, out-strengthed, or punched out - which happened to the more hittable Holyfield vs Bowe... Juan Carlos Gomez and Tomasz Adamek were good Cruiserweight Champions, but they were punched out by Vitali Klitschko.. James Toney was a formidable Cruiserweight, knocking out Holyfield with destructive rib shots.. Toney had too much infighting finesse and overall defensive slickness for Evander and the ending was inevitable.

Boxers who were too small to rank in the Top-5 Cruiserweights include: Marciano... Charles... Patterson... Moore... Hill... and Quarry.

David Haye? David Haye??

I can't believe you are mentioning David Haye in the same sentence as Joe Louis and Gene Tunney.

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