The Best right cross

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 15 Jun 2007, 08:42

Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran come to my mind of guys with the best right crosses.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 15 Jun 2007, 08:47

Louis had a great right cross as did Schmeling. Both were neat, tidy and devestating.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 15 Jun 2007, 09:14

Rocky Marciano's right cross was a true KO punch...

"SUZY Q" is without a doubt, one of the greatest punches a boxer's ever had in HISTORY!!!!!

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 17 Jun 2007, 06:23

All of the above plus Alexis Arguello, Muhammad Ali even Gerrie Coetzee to name a few.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 18 Jun 2007, 11:14

Thomas Hearns.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 18 Jun 2007, 12:56

Hearns is the obvious choice.

Louis, Marciano are up there.

Trinidad and Saad Muhammad deserve honorable mentions.

'Rocket'Rigby · Post by **'Rocket'Rigby** » 19 Jun 2007, 06:40

Two words: Suzy Q...

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 19 Jun 2007, 11:38

There is no such punch as a right cross.

It is just a right hand.....

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 20 Jun 2007, 14:44

ringsider wrote:There is no such punch as a right cross. It is just a right hand.....

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 20 Jun 2007, 14:47

I'd definitely have to go with Hearns.

I look at Marciano's as more of an overhand right than a right cross.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 22 Jun 2007, 01:20

As I read this post I'm watching the Mancini/Arguello replay and Arguello hit him with a beautiful right at the end of the 12th!

I go w/ Hearns he hit guys w/the right and they were gone! Maybe Joe Louis a very close second maybe a 1b!

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 22 Jun 2007, 22:50

The guy with the tattoo on his face.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 23 Jun 2007, 13:37

I believe Tyson knocked out the White Buffalo and the Black Rhino with right crosses.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 23 Jun 2007, 21:30

Danny "Lil Red " Lopez had that big right hand.
It was fun to watch him climb off the deck and bang guys out with it.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jun 2007, 17:11

elmersalsa wrote:Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran come to my mind of guys with the best right crosses.

Your idea of the "past" doesn't go back very far, does it Elmer.

LOL

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 25 Jun 2007, 17:26

Sorry granberry, but you can't do much better than Hearns and Duran...

I like many of the names mentioned here so I'll just add some names that I didn't see..

Baer
Carpentier
Shavers
Holmes
Johannson
Spinks
Robinson
Moore
Jackson

I would include Tyson. Along with Botha and Etienne, he did KO a few people in his prime with the right hand. Two right hands I can think of right away that Tyson landed in his prime were against Michael Johnson (though he was a nobody) and the first Holmes knock down. Those were very big right hands. I agree with decagon that the left hook and uppercut were better punches for Tyson, and they were punches he used more often in his prime, but I would say his straight right was also a big punch when he used it.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jun 2007, 17:36

I Feel Fine wrote:Sorry granberry, but you can't do much better than Hearns and Duran...

I like many of the names mentioned here so I'll just add some names that I didn't see..

Baer
Carpentier
Shavers
Holmes
Johannson
Spinks
Robinson
Moore
Jackson

I would include Tyson. Along with Botha and Etienne, he did KO a few people in his prime with the right hand. Two right hands I can think of right away that Tyson landed in his prime were against Michael Johnson (though he was a nobody) and the first Holmes knock down. Those were very big right hands. I agree with decagon that the left hook and uppercut were better punches for Tyson, and they were punches he used more often in his prime, but I would say his straight right was also a big punch when he used it.

IFeelLikeaFairy,

Tell us all about Peter Maher's right hand.

What did Joe Gans say about it?

What did Jack Johnson say about it?

Do you know who Peter Maher was?

Of course not.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jun 2007, 18:25

Decagon wrote: I unfortunately don't give Gans's and Johnson's word that much credit. They were both liars and cheats.

Clueless decagon has nothing to learn about boxing from Joe Gans and Jack Johnson.

But we already know that.

Keep spewing out the poison, sicko.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 Jun 2007, 18:39

granberry wrote:
Decagon wrote: I unfortunately don't give Gans's and Johnson's word that much credit. They were both liars and cheats.
Clueless decagon has nothing to learn about boxing from Joe Gans and Jack Johnson.

But we already know that.

Keep spewing out the poison, sicko.

Yo! Granny! Glad your back heard they were missin ya round the old shuffleboard. Still packin' those snide remarks I see. Now just what tod your latest contributions have to do with boxing? I might have missed your various points.

Now just so's I stick to the topic which is "respectable right crosses"....Ali had himself a pretty darn good one. What did you think of it Granster? Or was it so fast you never really got a good look at it? If you have a good DVD player you can slow it down and see it's wonders in a more deliberate manner. He put Joe into LaLa land in the early going of their second fight with it....but as you can see by watching the fight the pesky ref barges in and save's old Joe's hide.......A good thing cause without that great tender and caring moment in boxing history we never would have had a chance to see the Thrilla.

At least that's the way I remember it....did I get that wrong?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:02

BoxBuzz wrote:
granberry wrote:
Decagon wrote: I unfortunately don't give Gans's and Johnson's word that much credit. They were both liars and cheats.
Clueless decagon has nothing to learn about boxing from Joe Gans and Jack Johnson.

But we already know that.

Keep spewing out the poison, sicko.
Yo! Granny! Glad your back heard they were missin ya round the old shuffleboard. Still packin' those snide remarks I see. Now just what tod your latest contributions have to do with boxing? I might have missed your various points.

Now just so's I stick to the topic which is "respectable right crosses"....Ali had himself a pretty darn good one. What did you think of it Granster? Or was it so fast you never really got a good look at it? If you have a good DVD player you can slow it down and see it's wonders in a more deliberate manner. He put Joe into LaLa land in the early going of their second fight with it....but as you can see by watching the fight the pesky ref barges in and save's old Joe's hide.......A good thing cause without that great tender and caring moment in boxing history we never would have had a chance to see the Thrilla.

At least that's the way I remember it....did I get that wrong?

You should learn to read the posts I answer, buzz.

I always ANSWER an insult.

Buzz boy,

Here is a project for you.

How did Jimmy Young's right hand compare with poor Ali's right hand.

Ali missed every right hand he threw in 15 rounds against Young.

WHY?

At the same time, Jimmy Young hit Ali at will with his right hand.

WHY?

Please explain to all of us why Ali missed and missed and missed his right hands against Young.

It is all right there on the film of of the fight.

All you have to do is know the fundamentals of the subject of boxing.

Good luck, buzz boy.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:23

BoxBuzz wrote:
Now just so's I stick to the topic which is "respectable right crosses"....Ali had himself a pretty darn good one. What did you think of it Granster? Or was it so fast you never really got a good look at it? If you have a good DVD player you can slow it down and see it's wonders in a more deliberate manner. He put Joe into LaLa land in the early going of their second fight with it....but as you can see by watching the fight the pesky ref barges in and save's old Joe's hide.......A good thing cause without that great tender and caring moment in boxing history we never would have had a chance to see the Thrilla.

At least that's the way I remember it....did I get that wrong?

Poor buzz is frantic about the fact that Joe Frazier knocked Ali flat on his back and beat Ali thoroughly in the fight where they both got into the ring as undefeated fighters.

And where after the fight, Ali left the ring as a soundly defeated fighter.

The walking army of the Ali industry, of which buzz is an eager disciple,

are absolutely frantic about the fact that Joe Frazier knocked Ali flat on his back and beat Ali so thoroughly.

So they are instructed to regurgitate the same very tired talking points in the hope that somehow

the fact that Joe Frazier knocked Ali flat on his back and beat Ali thoroughly will somehow DISAPPEAR.

BUT IT WON'T.

Joe Frazier knocked Ali flat on his back and beat Ali thoroughly

and all the pathetic attempts by the Ali industry and its pathetic clones to distract attention away from that disastrous fact of Ali's career

will never change the reality that Joe Frazier knocked Ali flat on his back and beat Ali thoroughly.

Learn to live with it , buzz.

Joe Frazier knocked Ali flat on his back and beat him thoroughly----.

and no one ever said Joe Frazier was the greatest fighter of all time.

But he was certainly superior to Ali.

Joe Frazier demonstrated that by

knocking Ali flat on his back and beating Ali thoroughly.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:25

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:28

granberry wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
granberry wrote: Clueless decagon has nothing to learn about boxing from Joe Gans and Jack Johnson.

But we already know that.

Keep spewing out the poison, sicko.
Yo! Granny! Glad your back heard they were missin ya round the old shuffleboard. Still packin' those snide remarks I see. Now just what tod your latest contributions have to do with boxing? I might have missed your various points.

Now just so's I stick to the topic which is "respectable right crosses"....Ali had himself a pretty darn good one. What did you think of it Granster? Or was it so fast you never really got a good look at it? If you have a good DVD player you can slow it down and see it's wonders in a more deliberate manner. He put Joe into LaLa land in the early going of their second fight with it....but as you can see by watching the fight the pesky ref barges in and save's old Joe's hide.......A good thing cause without that great tender and caring moment in boxing history we never would have had a chance to see the Thrilla.

At least that's the way I remember it....did I get that wrong?
You should learn to read the posts I answer, buzz.

I always ANSWER an insult.

Buzz boy,

Here is a project for you.

How did Jimmy Young's right hand compare with poor Ali's right hand.

Ali missed every right hand he threw in 15 rounds against Young.

WHY?

At the same time, Jimmy Young hit Ali at will with his right hand.

WHY?

Please explain to all of us why Ali missed and missed and missed his right hands against Young.

It is all right there on the film of of the fight.

All you have to do is know the fundamentals of the subject of boxing.

Good luck, buzz boy.

Okee Dokee I'll take a crack at this tough question.

Was it because Ol' Ali wadn't nuttin' budda media darlin' who had not a lick-o-skill or talent? And that he was controlled by dem dare lobsters..er uh mobsters that just needed money rollin' in and found someone they could control? Ya see da wuz Payin the dum ones like Liston, Foreman, Lyle, Williams (who was freshly shot and bleedin' during the fight) to just lay down for him?

And den....nice a sneeky like....rite in da middle of Ol' Ali's prime they accidently sent Jimmy in, who outshined ol' Ali for a few rounds! Das when da knew the hole house-a-cards wuz gunna come tumblin down! And den Da troof was out there!

Cuz tha's whud I herd thru the grapevine and I beleive's every word of it cuz it's so obveeusly true.

Duz I got it rite boss?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:38

BoxBuzz wrote:Okee Dokee I'll take a crack at this tough question.

Was it because Ol' Ali wadn't nuttin' but media darlin' who had not a lick-o-skill or talent? And that he was controlled by lobsters..er uh mobsters that just needed money rollin' in and found someone they could control? Ya see da wuz Payin the dum ones like Liston, Foreman, Lyle, Williams (who was freshly shot and bleedin' during the fight) to just lay down for him?

Cuz tha's whud I herd thru the grapevine and I beleive's every word of it cuz it's so obveeusly true.

Duz I got it rite boss?

Buzz,

You don't have a clue what the word fundamentals means.

You don't know that there are basics to boxing, just as there are to any subject.

If you want to learn music, you'd better learn what pitches are. And intervals. And be able to handle them.

And meter and rhythm.

And harmony--including chords, chord progressions, key progressions, etc.

And counterpoint---which is obviously a concept for others and not you.

Jimmy Young's right hand traveled in a straight line. It was very short.

So it always landed first.

In comparison, poor Ali's right hand went out in a circular route which was hardly started when Jimmy Young's short, straight right hand had already landed.

The Young fight exposed the flaws and limitations in Ali's style unmercifully.

For fifteen full rounds.

And Ali had no adjustment to make in the entire 15 rounds.

That fight demonstrated with finality that poor Ali would never have had a chance against the great boxers who held the heavyweight title through the years.

Doug Jones staggered Ali with his right hand 15 seconds into their fight.

Why?

Because Doug Jones had a short, ecomonical right hand that traveled in a straight line.

Poor Ali didn't didn't belong in the ring with top level technicians.

When he found himself in such a situation, he just took his beating

and then collected his phony "decision" at the end of the fight.

You have to do better than that to be included among the top fighters of "all time."

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 25 Jun 2007, 19:57

Speaking of right crosses, Ezzard Charles used Louis for target practice with right hands all night in their fight... rocked him bad in the late rounds with a right... part of me thinks Charles could have stopped Louis if he had pressed him after that. Charles may have taken it easy on Joe.

Either way, Louis' style was badly exposed in that fight...

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