Featherweights: Manny Pacquiao vs Naseem Hamed

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 15 Jun 2007, 08:40

Who wins this exciting match? I pick Manny.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 15 Jun 2007, 10:41

I give the peak Naz a good chance in this one, naturally bigger and has great speed and power. Pac has obviously got better names on his leger, but lets face it Barrera and Morales had seen better days before Pac beat them

monkeybusiness · Post by **monkeybusiness** » 15 Jun 2007, 14:36

A peak Naz would have made a great fight. I might lean toward him circa 1995. Anything afterwards you have to go Pacqiauo

theone · Post by **theone** » 15 Jun 2007, 17:26

Picturing the fight in my mind I envision somewhere around the 4th or 5th round with Hamed in trouble, Pacquiao recklessly running into a devastating right hand and subsequently getting stopped shortly thereafter.
Say what you want about him, but Hamed is one of the hardest punching featherweights ever, and Pacquiao isn't exactly a safety first fighter.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Jun 2007, 20:12

theone wrote:Picturing the fight in my mind I envision somewhere around the 4th or 5th round with Hamed in trouble, Pacquiao recklessly running into a devastating right hand and subsequently getting stopped shortly thereafter.
Say what you want about him, but Hamed is one of the hardest punching featherweights ever, and Pacquiao isn't exactly a safety first fighter.

In a straight up shoot out this one would be interesting. I also give the nod to Hamed....and I think everybody's going down a few times. This could be the Foreman-Lyle of the Feathers.

Can't resist anymore...I have to run a sim when some puts up the suggestion...I'm sure it's a phase I will eventually outgrow.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 17 Jun 2007, 03:21

This is the shittiest mythical matchup I've seen in 6 months.

Naz never beat an elite fighter EVER.

Pacquiao would probably knock Naz out of the ring.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 17 Jun 2007, 03:50

Decagon wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Can't resist anymore...I have to run a sim when some puts up the suggestion...I'm sure it's a phase I will eventually outgrow.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... highlight=
Why is Joel Judah Manny Pacquiao's trainer and Freddie Roach Naseem Hamed's trainer?

random trainers

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 17 Jun 2007, 04:55

~ MIKEE ~ wrote:
Decagon wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Can't resist anymore...I have to run a sim when some puts up the suggestion...I'm sure it's a phase I will eventually outgrow.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... highlight=
Why is Joel Judah Manny Pacquiao's trainer and Freddie Roach Naseem Hamed's trainer?
random trainers

lol, I could just imagine Judah going crazy shadowboxing in Manny's corner as Pacman looks at him like "This guy's fuckin nuts" while in the other corner Hamed is not even taking advice from Roach, he's simply asking Roach questions specifically to get flattering answers like "You're winning big Prince" and "He can't handle your power Naz" as he smiles and dances to "The music in (his) head" while on the stool

theone · Post by **theone** » 17 Jun 2007, 11:36

This is the shittiest mythical matchup I've seen in 6 months.

Naz never beat an elite fighter EVER.

Pacquiao would probably knock Naz out of the ring.

The Prince may not have what you think of as an elite fighter on his resume, but if you take an objective look at it, its impressive in it's own right:

1. Tom "Boom Boom" Johnson- a solid featherweight champion in his prime
2. Kevin Kelly - Only one loss at the time and if not in his prime very near it.
3. Wayne McCullogh - Only 3 exceptional fighters beat him in his prime, the Prince was one of them.
4. Paul Ingle- Solid pro with a few good names on his resume
5. Wilfredo Vasquez- older but still dangerous opponent. Borderline great.

By only his twelfth fight Hamed was facing stiff competition. I think overall his resume compares quite favorable to Pacquiao. 2 out of three against a faded Morales, a shellacking over an almost as faded Barrera and a draw with Marquez doesn't make this mythical match up shitty.
Pacman may be tough but hes not invulnerable; hes often easy to hit, and has been shaken up by fighters who dont even approach Hamed's level of power.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 17 Jun 2007, 17:18

theone wrote:
1. Tom "Boom Boom" Johnson- a solid featherweight champion in his prime
2. Kevin Kelly - Only one loss at the time and if not in his prime very near it.
3. Wayne McCullogh - Only 3 exceptional fighters beat him in his prime, the Prince was one of them.
4. Paul Ingle- Solid pro with a few good names on his resume
5. Wilfredo Vasquez- older but still dangerous opponent. Borderline great.

All those guys were shot and old with the exception of Ingle who was simply a bum.

Barrera was P4P #3 when Pacquiao beat him. Naz has never beaten a P4P claimant. He fought shitty competition and ended his shitty career when he was exposed by the one elite fighter he fought.

Totally shit matchup.

You simply don't know very much about the featherweight division.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 17 Jun 2007, 21:00

Decagon wrote:
Alabama_Man wrote:All those guys were shot and old
Are you talking about Hamed's competition, or Pacquiao's?

Stop stalking me.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 17 Jun 2007, 21:45

I get the point about Hamed's opposition. I just think it's entirely possible that Pac could get tagged because he won't think like Barrera. If Naz can hit you a world of opportunity opens up for him.

But I understand another point made here....if it goes to a decision I can't imagine Naz winning it.

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 17 Jun 2007, 22:15

Barrera wasnt "past it" when paquiao beat him. it was only after that beating that began to think and say that.
the same thing could be said about morrales, if he didnt have that slip up against raheem paquiao's wins against him would look better.
IMO thses fighters are "past it" because of manny, he destroyed them as fighters.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 18 Jun 2007, 05:03

thunderfromdownunder wrote:Barrera wasnt "past it" when paquiao beat him. it was only after that beating that began to think and say that.
the same thing could be said about morrales, if he didnt have that slip up against raheem paquiao's wins against him would look better.
IMO thses fighters are "past it" because of manny, he destroyed them as fighters.

Try telling that to the Princess lovers.

I remember when Haveeb got put on queer street by Daniel "The Beast" Alicea, I knew he was going to be a bum beater from then on. No elite fighter would lose to a circus clown like Haveeb.

theone · Post by **theone** » 18 Jun 2007, 22:20

remember when Haveeb got put on queer street by Daniel "The Beast" Alicea, I knew he was going to be a bum beater from then on. No elite fighter would lose to a circus clown like Haveeb.

Queer street? Naseem got up immediately and though a bit stunned by what i believe was the first knockdown of his career, he was hardly in the state the term Queer street, is used to describe.

Its obvious you're a Prince hater for what ever reason, and incapable or unwilling to be objective when discussing him.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 18 Jun 2007, 22:43

theone wrote:
remember when Haveeb got put on queer street by Daniel "The Beast" Alicea, I knew he was going to be a bum beater from then on. No elite fighter would lose to a circus clown like Haveeb.
Queer street? Naseem got up immediately and though a bit stunned by what i believe was the first knockdown of his career, he was hardly in the state the term Queer street, is used to describe.

Its obvious you're a Prince hater for what ever reason, and incapable or unwilling to be objective when discussing him.

So are you saying Haveeb beat an elite fighter?

Haveeb could barely beat Manuel Calvo. He's a quitter and a fraud. You simply don't know much about boxing.

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 19 Jun 2007, 00:47

I think Hamed would KO him in the mid round..

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 19 Jun 2007, 00:55

For some strange reason sometimes the guys at boxrec rate a fighter not only on his skills but also how he acts outside the ring look at all the trash Judah gets...Im pretty sure they underrate Hamed.. for what he did as well.. and Corrales was getting some heat too from a fellow that goes by the name Decagon..

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 19 Jun 2007, 01:27

Decagon wrote:I never rated him as a fighter based on what he did outside the ring.

Not saying you are just saying people in general...

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 19 Jun 2007, 02:18

Haveeb is the most overrated bum crusher of all-time. He gets into a war with a shot Kevin Kelley, gets put on queer street by Daniel Alicea, dropped by Augie "Glass Jaw" Sanchez, and ultimately gets his ass raped by MAB and then runs away from the sport forever (well he did struggle with unknown calvo before closing up shop).

He's the sport's biggest fraud, when MAB beat him, he know the jig was up and him and his punk brother Riath ran off into the sunset doing monkey flips. But then again, flipping over the top rope must count for quite a lot seeing as how overrated he is on the BoxRec boards.

The only people Haveeb will be knocking out from now on anyway will be bystanders on the streets of England with his McLaren.

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 19 Jun 2007, 03:09

Alabama_Man wrote:Haveeb is the most overrated bum crusher of all-time. He gets into a war with a shot Kevin Kelley, gets put on queer street by Daniel Alicea, dropped by Augie "Glass Jaw" Sanchez, and ultimately gets his ass raped by MAB and then runs away from the sport forever (well he did struggle with unknown calvo before closing up shop).

He's the sport's biggest fraud, when MAB beat him, he know the jig was up and him and his punk brother Riath ran off into the sunset doing monkey flips. But then again, flipping over the top rope must count for quite a lot seeing as how overrated he is on the BoxRec boards.

The only people Haveeb will be knocking out from now on anyway will be bystanders on the streets of England with his McLaren.

hahaha yeah.
i loved the MAB - Hamed fight, he was exposed for what he was in that fight.
and i think Paquiao would pound Hamed into the ground as well

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 19 Jun 2007, 13:11

thunderfromdownunder wrote:i loved the MAB - Hamed fight, he was exposed for what he was in that f
and i think Paquiao would pound Hamed into the ground as well

Pacquiao, Morales, Fagquez, and Barrera were the top featherweights of this era, and Haveeb didn't beat any of them. I think they would all kick Haveeb's ass by a wide margin. He would have gotten brutally stopped by Pac, Erik, or Yawn.

20 years from now, Haveeb won't rate very high on any respectable all-time featherweight list, he won't even be in the 50.

JC · Post by JC » 19 Jun 2007, 13:48

What's a Haveeb?

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 19 Jun 2007, 15:13

Hamed wins the battle of the "most pompous ring entrance," maybe even going so far as to have a paid lackey run alongside him with a giant self-admiration mirror, like Morris Day's character did in Purple Rain.

But, the only chance Hamed has in the actual *fight* is if PacMan decides to slam his pretty Prince-Nez into a ringpost, Barrera-style, and ends up getting DQed for it.

Like 'Bama-man said, the Little Prince never beat an elite featherweight in his prime *ever*.

Why am I not surprised that nearly all the guys giving Naz a chance here are Brits?

J-C wrote:What's a Haveeb?

I think it's, like, a camel tricked out like a HumVee, or something.

Oh, wait, I think it's the English transliteration of the Arabic word for "punk-ass bitch."

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 20 Jun 2007, 13:03

Eric the Viking wrote:Hamed wins the battle of the "most pompous ring entrance," maybe even going so far as to have a paid lackey run alongside him with a giant self-admiration mirror, like Morris Day's character did in Purple Rain.

But, the only chance Hamed has in the actual *fight* is if PacMan decides to slam his pretty Prince-Nez into a ringpost, Barrera-style, and ends up getting DQed for it.

Like 'Bama-man said, the Little Prince never beat an elite featherweight in his prime *ever*.

Why am I not surprised that nearly all the guys giving Naz a chance here are Brits?

J-C wrote:What's a Haveeb?
I think it's, like, a camel tricked out like a HumVee, or something.

Oh, wait, I think it's the English transliteration of the Arabic word for "punk-ass bitch."

I think you're the first person that has made me laugh on this site Eric.