Not quite on their level, but Manuel Ortiz, Kid McCoy, Carmen Basilio, Kid Gavilan and Gene Fullmer were all blessed with great stamina and endurance.terap wrote:Boxing is a sport of stamina.
Because of the use of the upper body it requires more stamina than any other sport.
I have gotten good level distance runners in the ring, sparred with them without hitting them, and found they were invariably worn out after three rounds at most.
Here is a list of some of the very greatest endurance and stamina fighters.
BATTLING NELSON
HARRY GREB
HENRY ARMSTRONG
JIM JEFFRIES
ROCKY MARCIANO
Anybody else on this level ?
GREATEST STAMINA FIGHTERS
Re: GREATEST STAMINA FIGHTERS
Sugar Ray Robinson has to be worth a mention. He was only ever stopped once in his long career, and that was due to heat exhaustion.terap wrote:Another way to say this would be--
WHO WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE TO FIGHT because of their endless endurance, ruggedness, and stamina ?
I know little or nothing about Manuel Ortiz,
Kid McCoy---always thought of him as tricky more than anything else
Carmen Basilio--definitely a nightmare to fight--ask Tony DeMarco, Ray Robinson (who was much bigger than Basilio),
Fullmer had his number though (was too big and just as rugged and enduring--)
Kid Gavilan---definitely had great endurance--that's what won him his Gil Turner fight
Gene Fullmer----that is one I thought of including in my list
Fullmer told me that it takes YEARS to really get in shape for boxing--
that these guys who "come back" after a few months training can't possibly be in real boxing condition.
Hurricane Jackson was somewhat of a freak endurance-wise.
Manuel Ortiz is a much under rated and sadly almost forgotten champ. He was World Bantam champ 1942 to 1947 and 1947 to 1950 and took part in 23 world title fights, including 8 successful defences in 1943 alone.
He was a non-stop very exciting slugger with an iron chin. He started boxing by accident when while working as a truck driver he came across an amutuer boxing show and was asked to fill in for an absent fighter, and was bitten by the bug. After a short am career he turned pro and lost quite a few (always on points) as he learned his trade.
He became a very exciting performer known for his non-stop attacking style and durability.
I don't know why he is so overlooked today.
He's one of my favourite fighters.
He was a non-stop very exciting slugger with an iron chin. He started boxing by accident when while working as a truck driver he came across an amutuer boxing show and was asked to fill in for an absent fighter, and was bitten by the bug. After a short am career he turned pro and lost quite a few (always on points) as he learned his trade.
He became a very exciting performer known for his non-stop attacking style and durability.
I don't know why he is so overlooked today.
He's one of my favourite fighters.
Boxers with great stamina
Jackie Kid Berg had tremendous stamina in his prime. I understand he was able to hold his breath for 3 minutes.
Joe Grim must go down as one of the toughest of all time. He wasn't overly skilled and was just a middleweight yet fought all the top heavies and although often floored always got up till at the tail end of his career.
Both Fitzsimmons and Johnson to name just two couldn't keep him down.
After their fight Johnson was astonished and said that he couldn't believe that a human being to endure such punishment.
Both Fitzsimmons and Johnson to name just two couldn't keep him down.
After their fight Johnson was astonished and said that he couldn't believe that a human being to endure such punishment.
it's no secret that i am not a marciano fan, but there's no question about his stamina, which i think was his greatest asset. if he had fought in the era of jeffries and the fighters who trained for marathon matches he would have been in his element. take a good look at his films and no matter what the pace he actually got stronger as the fight went on. it's amazing how strong he was at the end of the first charles fight and how many punches he was still throwing. especially impressive when you look at his balance..or i should say lack of it. he had to use a lot of energy just getting himself back into punching position when he stumbled after he missed so many of those wide swings.
hard to compare fighters from widely different eras...as the long long fights of the early days called for a different kind of training.....but it would have been interesting to see how gavilan, for example, might have done. he was one of the smartest of his time at controlling the pace of a fight and using his energy in bursts and managing all the while looking busy when he was actually not doing much of anything.
also, we tend to forget that jess willard was no kid when he outlasted jack johnson on that hot sunny day in havana. he looked pretty strong leading up to the knockout.
hard to compare fighters from widely different eras...as the long long fights of the early days called for a different kind of training.....but it would have been interesting to see how gavilan, for example, might have done. he was one of the smartest of his time at controlling the pace of a fight and using his energy in bursts and managing all the while looking busy when he was actually not doing much of anything.
also, we tend to forget that jess willard was no kid when he outlasted jack johnson on that hot sunny day in havana. he looked pretty strong leading up to the knockout.
Has anyone mentioned Jake LaMotta! His final round victory over Laurence Dauthille was stamina personified.
He was also only knocked down once in his entire career, by Danny Nardico (the Fox knockdowns were dives of course).
He was also only knocked down once in his entire career, by Danny Nardico (the Fox knockdowns were dives of course).
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I've always been facinated by Bennie Briscoe, I'd love to have seen what would have happened if BAD Bennie was around in the 1990's and mixed it with the Nunns, Jones Jr's, McCallums, Barkleys and Toney's of this world.
Outcome predictions aside Nunn and Jones Jr would have run like hell from the Philly Bad man IMO. But McCallum, Toney or even Barkley against Briscoe would have been fun to watch (in a brutal way).
Outcome predictions aside Nunn and Jones Jr would have run like hell from the Philly Bad man IMO. But McCallum, Toney or even Barkley against Briscoe would have been fun to watch (in a brutal way).
LaMotta is a good addition to the list...especially when you consider that as a middleweight he had to strain to make the limit, which surely would have a negative affect on stamina. the knockdown by nardico happened when jake was well past his prime, and fighting as a light heavyweight, where he had no weight problem, of course, but ..again..past his prime. he retired after that fight, but made a come back a year later, winning two and losing the third.
he was never actually knocked down by billy fox. he just sat on the middle strand of the ring rope and let fox hit him at will until the referee stopped it. an ironic type of pride...too proud to spoil his "never off his feet" record, but willing to fake a loss.
he was never actually knocked down by billy fox. he just sat on the middle strand of the ring rope and let fox hit him at will until the referee stopped it. an ironic type of pride...too proud to spoil his "never off his feet" record, but willing to fake a loss.
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Terap, I see that you are talking about yourself again (mediocrity, hatred and spite etc) the sad thing is that I have actually contributed positively to this post of your's which had a very interesting subject. However, you have proceeded to ruin your own post with your very own special brand of the aforementioned mediocrity, spite and hate!.
Well done!.
Well done!.
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Terap, for someone supposedly so learned and mature you hide behind witless insults and childish aggression an awful lot....... your attitude is both negative and sad. You make no attempt to achieve any positive impact upon this forum. For someone who claims to love boxing you have a peculiar way of showing it.
Boxing requires a great deal of mental stamina as well as all the physical attributes that are needed. In fact mental stamina is probably the biggest factor that makes the difference between success and faliure in boxing.... a boxer can do all the running and sparring in the world but if he lacks the mental strength and endurance in the ring then his physical fitness alone will not be enougth.
Mixed Martial Arts requite more stamina than boxing.. it incorporates the same upper body movements as boxing, but also includes kicks and a lot of wrestling. As anyone who has wrestled know, it takes enourmous amounts of stamina to be sucessful. Now, imagine getting punched while wrestling, and then throw in boxing in spurts.
As for fighters.. i def. agree with Ray Robinson and Carmen Basilio.
As for fighters.. i def. agree with Ray Robinson and Carmen Basilio.
terap wrote:"I have gotten good level distance runners in the ring, sparred with them without hitting them, and found they were invariably worn out after three rounds at most. "
Yes but I have seen a boxer I know run in a long distance race against long distance runners and the boxer got wasted didn't have the endurance to match him. You're right the different sports require different types of endurance (different distributions of blood from the heart)
But the cyclers in the Tour de France cycle 5 hours a day for 3 weeks with two rest days, often up the mountains of the Alps and Pryrennies, that's some endurance. Also, that Iron Man Triathalon looks pretty brutal.
As I said:
Its a different type of endurance between boxers and long distance runneres, doesn't mean the long distance runners are not as fit as the boxers.A.Will wrote:
Yes but I have seen a boxer I know run in a long distance race against long distance runners and the boxer got wasted didn't have the endurance to match him.