The relevance of this is what exactly? Many people saw the step up in weight as a dangerous gamble for Haye, that's why nobody complained before or after! Gunn was never going to be anything other than a blow out from the start.boxingchat wrote:Do you think Bonin was brought to the UK by Audley Harriosn for his desire to win and dangerous skills?
I agree, but it is a promoters job to lobby an organisation to recognise and rate their fighters but Gunn's people did that, not Warren. They did a good if not irresponsible, in hindsight, job for their man. His Dad managed him by the way, I'd hate to meet the mother!jamesmcdonnell wrote:All good points BC, but surely you would acknowledge that the sanctioning bodies do not really control the sport per se. The sport is really run by the promoters.
To suggest that the promoters have no influence in fighters rankings and getting them title shots is a little disingenuous isn't it? I don't know anything about the Bobby Gunn situation in particular, but it's not unheard of for a figther who is about to get a title shot to suddenly shoot up the rankings in order to facilitate this.
Of course, the sanctioning bodies are complicit in this, but I think this just serves to illustrate my point, which is that the people who front the money, the promoters and TV networks, are the ones running the sport, the sanctioning bodies merely do the administration, and in reality, the sport could function if not without them, then with other bodies doing their function.
With regard to fighters, I do think that modern fighters don't have the same "Let's see whose got the biggest bollocks" mentality. Fighters get on a gravy boat, and paddle their way along the juicy meat-stock river of title defences whilst avoiding the eddies surrounding the dangerously rocky roast potatoes and yorkshire puddings.
Ok so I'm milking the analogy, but you get my drift.
Yes, but Reid was a solid challenger in that he wasn't like to get blasted into oblivion in 30 seconds, and didn't.boxingchat wrote:I agree, but it is a promoters job to lobby an organisation to recognise and rate their fighters but Gunn's people did that, not Warren. They did a good if not irresponsible, in hindsight, job for their man. His Dad managed him by the way, I'd hate to meet the mother!jamesmcdonnell wrote:All good points BC, but surely you would acknowledge that the sanctioning bodies do not really control the sport per se. The sport is really run by the promoters.
To suggest that the promoters have no influence in fighters rankings and getting them title shots is a little disingenuous isn't it? I don't know anything about the Bobby Gunn situation in particular, but it's not unheard of for a figther who is about to get a title shot to suddenly shoot up the rankings in order to facilitate this.
Of course, the sanctioning bodies are complicit in this, but I think this just serves to illustrate my point, which is that the people who front the money, the promoters and TV networks, are the ones running the sport, the sanctioning bodies merely do the administration, and in reality, the sport could function if not without them, then with other bodies doing their function.
With regard to fighters, I do think that modern fighters don't have the same "Let's see whose got the biggest bollocks" mentality. Fighters get on a gravy boat, and paddle their way along the juicy meat-stock river of title defences whilst avoiding the eddies surrounding the dangerously rocky roast potatoes and yorkshire puddings.
Ok so I'm milking the analogy, but you get my drift.
Ultimately, fighters and promoters are businessmen so the bodies must be stronger and sort the wheat from the chaff at ratings level and the Board at domestic level. Was Gary Reid really expected to beat Olusegun last week? The Commonwealth are probably the worst of the lot. If they know fighters capabilities they could and should say NO where appropriate.
Everyone in the sport should take a portion of the blame I know but ultimately, fighters should want to fight and not kid themselves and others.
'Shit or get off the toilet' as me Nan says!
Gurov was the European Champion at the time and Bonin was Hayes first fight at HW, Haye also wasn't defending a title when he fought Bonin. Where as Gunn had no history at all and it was being billed as World title fight. I know Gunns name is being over used, but he just represents the whole ethic of uncompetitive matches there are numerous other examples Manfredo being another prime exampleBobby Gunn was shite, we know that now, but he WAS ranked by the WBO and even higher by the WBC. Gurov and Bonin both crumbled in equally as quick a time and yet Haye suddenly becomes the saviour of British Boxing. At least Gunn protested and tried to come out fighting so that's one up on the aforementioned
Was Manfredo much better than Gunn, not in my eyes. Virtually the whole card was an embarrassment and every boxing fan who knew a Mayweather from a Buckley was aware of this prior to the show.Gunn was NOT the main event on this show and TV, I assume, paid nothing extra for it and the corwd at the venue would have come to see Calzaghe with or without Enzo on the card.
This is true! Frabk Warren said on record that he wanted Gunn to go AT LEAST 3 rds. So he clearly thought Gunn was better than he was. As Gunn didn't get through the 1st. Ha!Coco wrote:Kilburn wrote:Are you trying to say you only realised how bad Gunn was untill after the event??boxingchat wrote:Bobby Gunn was shite, we know that now, but he WAS ranked by the WBO and even higher by the WBC. Gurov and Bonin both crumbled in equally as quick a time and yet Haye suddenly becomes the saviour of British Boxing.
Anyone could have told you that this would not have gone past a round.
It is amazing how obscure fighters creep into the rankings and then get a shot.
It does lead people to believe that these rankings are manipulated.